Re: [Finale] Vertical Spacing Algorithms
Yes, that's at the top of my list too: Intelligent vertical spacing for staves within each system and between each system. I can't imagine which users would not benefit from this feature. As a performer, I'm sick of having to use scores where the staves are too far apart: in many cases people seem to have just kept the Finale default spacing, which leaves far too much white space. This happens even with scores from reputable publishers: for an orchestral score the paper will be far too big (A3 is typical in Europe), but the staves and notes will be surprisingly small and hard to read. I think that the use of programs such as Finale has helped to spread the strange idea that a well-made score should have equally spaced staves and systems: this needs to change. Michael Cook On 6 Jul 2005, at 16:31, Randolph Peters wrote: My number 1 new feature request: Vertical Spacing Algorithms Number 2: Dynamic score/parts linking. -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Vertical Spacing Algorithms
I'm glad Sibelius has dynamic score/parts linking because it will cause MakeMusic to try to add that feature as well. Competition from Sibelius is a better incentive than anything we can do on this list. That being said, I still think we should encourage MM to add Vertical Spacing Algorithms similar to what the program does for horizontal spacing. My biggest time suck when doing the layout of an orchestral score is moving things that collide or are too close to each other on neighbouring staves. Now that Finale knows where all the elements of a score are placed, it should theoretically be possible to know if two elements are touching each other. My number 1 new feature request: Vertical Spacing Algorithms Number 2: Dynamic score/parts linking. -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Vertical Spacing Algorithms
I wrote: My number 1 new feature request: Vertical Spacing Algorithms Number 2: Dynamic score/parts linking. I feel like Bill Murray in The Life Aquatic: Am I the only one with swamp leaches? What's with that? Am I the only one who wants vertical spacing handled automatically? -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Vertical Spacing Algorithms
No you're not. I made this request several times in the last years. Éric Dussault Le 05-07-06 à 12:11, Randolph Peters a écrit : I wrote: My number 1 new feature request: Vertical Spacing Algorithms Number 2: Dynamic score/parts linking. I feel like Bill Murray in The Life Aquatic: Am I the only one with swamp leaches? What's with that? Am I the only one who wants vertical spacing handled automatically? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Vertical Spacing Algorithms
At 11:11 AM 7/6/05 -0500, Randolph Peters wrote: Am I the only one who wants vertical spacing handled automatically? Definitely not the only one! It's not on the very top of my list, but it would save considerable time -- and if it were part of an algorithmic approach, could be modified nicely by the visual plugin maestros such as Robert Patterson. (And vertical spacing was one of the really fine features of Graphire.) Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Vertical Spacing Algorithms
Am I the only one who wants vertical spacing handled automatically? -Randolph Peters ___ No you're not. I would greatly appreciate it too. Of course, it should be automatic only in the same sense that horizontal page and measure layout is automatic: Finale should supply you with its best approximation when you first lay out systems, but after that you adjust it manually or reinvoke it in a selected region w. a Mass-Edit or Layout menu command. Also, the degree of vertical collision avoidance--and what items should be considered--should be user-configurable, just as in the existing Music Spacing dialog. Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Vertical Spacing Algorithms
On 6 Jul 2005 at 11:11, Randolph Peters wrote: I wrote: My number 1 new feature request: Vertical Spacing Algorithms Number 2: Dynamic score/parts linking. I feel like Bill Murray in The Life Aquatic: Am I the only one with swamp leaches? What's with that? Am I the only one who wants vertical spacing handled automatically? While that would be nice (the same way that automatic word extensions is nice), I've never seen it as too much of a problem to make the adjustments myself, as the tools to do so are pretty easy to use, and are a natural part of the initial layout proofing of the score layout (once you've locked down your page and system breaks). So, while it would be something I'd be happy to have, it wouldn't be nearly the productivity enhancement that linked parts would be for me. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Vertical Spacing Algorithms
When I ordered my Fin2k6 and filled in the questionnaire - that was the one feature I asked for. I have also requested it before. Gary -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis Bathory-Kitsz Sent: 06 July 2005 17:28 To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Vertical Spacing Algorithms At 11:11 AM 7/6/05 -0500, Randolph Peters wrote: Am I the only one who wants vertical spacing handled automatically? Definitely not the only one! It's not on the very top of my list, but it would save considerable time -- and if it were part of an algorithmic approach, could be modified nicely by the visual plugin maestros such as Robert Patterson. (And vertical spacing was one of the really fine features of Graphire.) Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Vertical Spacing Algorithms
My number 1 new feature request: Vertical Spacing Algorithms Number 2: Dynamic score/parts linking. I feel like Bill Murray in The Life Aquatic: Am I the only one with swamp leaches? What's with that? Am I the only one who wants vertical spacing handled automatically? -Randolph Peters No, not at all - it would be wonderful. You would think that with the font annotation that's been in Finale since what, 2000?, that they would have done this by now. Combined with a Vertical Justification feature, this would be wonderful. The thing is that as far as I can see the tools have been there to implement this for a long time - TGTools has something very much like the Vertical Justification feature there already. Whether Makemusic could implement it *well*, though, is another matter. These sorts of things are going to go further to burying Finale I think. In education in this country it's only Finale Notepad that is saving any semblance of Makemusic. Sibelius is all-pervasive. (On another matter, you still can't undo plugins in Sibelius 4 it seems! What the hell is that about. So Sibelius sure aren't perfect!) Cheers Matthew -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.9/42 - Release Date: 6/07/2005 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Vertical Spacing Algorithms
On Jul 6, 2005, at 9:50 AM, Andrew Stiller wrote: No you're not. I would greatly appreciate it too. Of course, it should be automatic only in the same sense that horizontal page and measure layout is automatic: Finale should supply you with its best approximation when you first lay out systems, but after that you adjust it manually or reinvoke it in a selected region w. a Mass-Edit or Layout menu command. Also, the degree of vertical collision avoidance--and what items should be considered--should be user-configurable, just as in the existing Music Spacing dialog. Agreed. The best thing about Finale is that even when it offers solutions, it doesn't impose them upon you; you can always do it yourself if you want something different. I would pursue the analogy a little further and specify that implementing vertical spacing is an action you perform on a page when you choose to, just as you implement horizontal spacing on a measure or measures with the 3 or 4 metatool. For those who want vertical spacing turned on all the time, there can be an automatic page spacing analogous to the current automatic music spacing and automatic update layout. Anyone who doesn't want the new vertical spacing can leave it turned off and never use it. mdl ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
