Re: [Finale] Why Is It So Hard to Add Instruments to an Orchestration?

[Christopher Smith]

If you want to use Finale on a Mac you had better get familiar with the “trash 
prefs” routine. I don’t like it either, but it’s practical because it works.

Christopher


> On Jun 6, 2016, at 6:14 AM, Graeme Gerrard  wrote:
> 
> Haha!  That’s so funny!
> Does anyone still regard this as a practical fix that works with their 
> workflow?
> Is this still 1990?
> 
>> On 6 Jun 2016, at 5:29 AM, Chuck Israels  wrote:
>> 
>> And  when your Preferences are set up as you like them, make duplicates of 
>> this Preference file (Finale 2014.5 Preferences - copy 1 - etc.), so that 
>> when one file becomes corrupted, you can replace it with a copy (simply 
>> remove the “copy x” from the name) without having to rebuild your entire 
>> preference setup.  This is a procedure learned from long experience.
>> 
>> Perhaps I am not experiencing these difficulties because I rarely work with 
>> such large files, but multiple preference copies are always good to have.
>> 
>> Chuck
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 5, 2016, at 12:23 PM, Jon Block  wrote:
>>> 
>>> JD:
>>> Check out my reply to Ray.  There is a fix.  If you are running
>>> on a Mac -- this from MakeMusic Tech support -- it works,
>>> but you are likely to have to keep doing it -- if you are running
>>> on a Windows platform you will need to check in with MakeMusic
>>> Tech support:
>>> 
>>> Hi Jonathan,
>>> 
>>> Thank you for that information. As a first troubleshooting step, please
>>> follow the steps below to return Finale's hidden preferences to their
>>> default settings. This will either solve the issue or get us one step
>>> closer to the solution:
>>> 
>>> 1. Quit Finale 2014.5.
>>> 2. In Finder, navigate to Go menu > Go to Folder
>>> 3. Type or copy & paste the following location:
>>> 
>>> ~/library/preferences
>>> 
>>> 4. In the Preferences folder, find a file named Finale 2014.5 Preferences.
>>> Drag it into the trash.
>>> 5. Empty your trash.
>>> 6. Restart your computer.
>>> 7. Relaunch Finale 2014.5 by opening your Applications folder and
>>> double-clicking the Finale 2014.5 icon.
>>> 
>>> Does the issue still occur? Also, if it still occurs in a specific file,
>>> please send me that file for testing on my end.
>>> 
>>> Thank you,
>>> 
>>> Zack B.
>>> MakeMusic Customer Success
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 1:18 PM, j...@thomastudios.com 
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Not meaning to hijack this thread, but I agree with Jon about 2014.5 being
 an absolute slug when editing a large orchestral file.  I am working on an
 opera that ballooned to 7.3MB from 3MB when I converted it from Finale 2012
 to 2014.  Everything takes an eternity when editing: changing tools,
 copying/pasting even one measure, especially editing lyrics in this file.
 For me and my current deadline, it’s completely unusable.
 
 I’m curious if the new 64-bit version that isn’t out yet will remedy some
 of this.
 
 ***
 J D Thomas
 ThomaStudios
 
 
 
> On Jun 5, 2016, at 12:10 PM, Jon Block  wrote:
> 
> You will
> also find that notation is extremely slow in large
> scored (full orchestral).
 
 
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Re: [Finale] Why Is It So Hard to Add Instruments to an Orchestration?

[Graeme Gerrard]

Haha!  That’s so funny!
Does anyone still regard this as a practical fix that works with their workflow?
Is this still 1990?

> On 6 Jun 2016, at 5:29 AM, Chuck Israels  wrote:
> 
> And  when your Preferences are set up as you like them, make duplicates of 
> this Preference file (Finale 2014.5 Preferences - copy 1 - etc.), so that 
> when one file becomes corrupted, you can replace it with a copy (simply 
> remove the “copy x” from the name) without having to rebuild your entire 
> preference setup.  This is a procedure learned from long experience.
> 
> Perhaps I am not experiencing these difficulties because I rarely work with 
> such large files, but multiple preference copies are always good to have.
> 
> Chuck
> 
> 
>> On Jun 5, 2016, at 12:23 PM, Jon Block  wrote:
>> 
>> JD:
>> Check out my reply to Ray.  There is a fix.  If you are running
>> on a Mac -- this from MakeMusic Tech support -- it works,
>> but you are likely to have to keep doing it -- if you are running
>> on a Windows platform you will need to check in with MakeMusic
>> Tech support:
>> 
>> Hi Jonathan,
>> 
>> Thank you for that information. As a first troubleshooting step, please
>> follow the steps below to return Finale's hidden preferences to their
>> default settings. This will either solve the issue or get us one step
>> closer to the solution:
>> 
>> 1. Quit Finale 2014.5.
>> 2. In Finder, navigate to Go menu > Go to Folder
>> 3. Type or copy & paste the following location:
>> 
>> ~/library/preferences
>> 
>> 4. In the Preferences folder, find a file named Finale 2014.5 Preferences.
>> Drag it into the trash.
>> 5. Empty your trash.
>> 6. Restart your computer.
>> 7. Relaunch Finale 2014.5 by opening your Applications folder and
>> double-clicking the Finale 2014.5 icon.
>> 
>> Does the issue still occur? Also, if it still occurs in a specific file,
>> please send me that file for testing on my end.
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> Zack B.
>> MakeMusic Customer Success
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 1:18 PM, j...@thomastudios.com 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Not meaning to hijack this thread, but I agree with Jon about 2014.5 being
>>> an absolute slug when editing a large orchestral file.  I am working on an
>>> opera that ballooned to 7.3MB from 3MB when I converted it from Finale 2012
>>> to 2014.  Everything takes an eternity when editing: changing tools,
>>> copying/pasting even one measure, especially editing lyrics in this file.
>>> For me and my current deadline, it’s completely unusable.
>>> 
>>> I’m curious if the new 64-bit version that isn’t out yet will remedy some
>>> of this.
>>> 
>>> ***
>>> J D Thomas
>>> ThomaStudios
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 5, 2016, at 12:10 PM, Jon Block  wrote:
 
 You will
 also find that notation is extremely slow in large
 scored (full orchestral).
>>> 
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Re: [Finale] Why Is It So Hard to Add Instruments to an Orchestration?

[Jon Block]

Amen.  Been doing that also.  There is an odd problem
with these files and MakeMusic says they are working
on a fix -- same with the issues in the unstoppable
playback -- which is tolerable on a lead sheet  but
impossible when writing a concerto movement.

Thanks.

Jon

On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 1:29 PM, Chuck Israels  wrote:

> And  when your Preferences are set up as you like them, make duplicates of
> this Preference file (Finale 2014.5 Preferences - copy 1 - etc.), so that
> when one file becomes corrupted, you can replace it with a copy (simply
> remove the “copy x” from the name) without having to rebuild your entire
> preference setup.  This is a procedure learned from long experience.
>
> Perhaps I am not experiencing these difficulties because I rarely work
> with such large files, but multiple preference copies are always good to
> have.
>
> Chuck
>
>
> > On Jun 5, 2016, at 12:23 PM, Jon Block  wrote:
> >
> > JD:
> > Check out my reply to Ray.  There is a fix.  If you are running
> > on a Mac -- this from MakeMusic Tech support -- it works,
> > but you are likely to have to keep doing it -- if you are running
> > on a Windows platform you will need to check in with MakeMusic
> > Tech support:
> >
> > Hi Jonathan,
> >
> > Thank you for that information. As a first troubleshooting step, please
> > follow the steps below to return Finale's hidden preferences to their
> > default settings. This will either solve the issue or get us one step
> > closer to the solution:
> >
> > 1. Quit Finale 2014.5.
> > 2. In Finder, navigate to Go menu > Go to Folder
> > 3. Type or copy & paste the following location:
> >
> > ~/library/preferences
> >
> > 4. In the Preferences folder, find a file named Finale 2014.5
> Preferences.
> > Drag it into the trash.
> > 5. Empty your trash.
> > 6. Restart your computer.
> > 7. Relaunch Finale 2014.5 by opening your Applications folder and
> > double-clicking the Finale 2014.5 icon.
> >
> > Does the issue still occur? Also, if it still occurs in a specific file,
> > please send me that file for testing on my end.
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Zack B.
> > MakeMusic Customer Success
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 1:18 PM, j...@thomastudios.com  >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Not meaning to hijack this thread, but I agree with Jon about 2014.5
> being
> >> an absolute slug when editing a large orchestral file.  I am working on
> an
> >> opera that ballooned to 7.3MB from 3MB when I converted it from Finale
> 2012
> >> to 2014.  Everything takes an eternity when editing: changing tools,
> >> copying/pasting even one measure, especially editing lyrics in this
> file.
> >> For me and my current deadline, it’s completely unusable.
> >>
> >> I’m curious if the new 64-bit version that isn’t out yet will remedy
> some
> >> of this.
> >>
> >> ***
> >> J D Thomas
> >> ThomaStudios
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Jun 5, 2016, at 12:10 PM, Jon Block  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> You will
> >>> also find that notation is extremely slow in large
> >>> scored (full orchestral).
> >>
> >>
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Re: [Finale] Why Is It So Hard to Add Instruments to an Orchestration?

[Chuck Israels]

And  when your Preferences are set up as you like them, make duplicates of this 
Preference file (Finale 2014.5 Preferences - copy 1 - etc.), so that when one 
file becomes corrupted, you can replace it with a copy (simply remove the “copy 
x” from the name) without having to rebuild your entire preference setup.  This 
is a procedure learned from long experience.

Perhaps I am not experiencing these difficulties because I rarely work with 
such large files, but multiple preference copies are always good to have.

Chuck


> On Jun 5, 2016, at 12:23 PM, Jon Block  wrote:
> 
> JD:
> Check out my reply to Ray.  There is a fix.  If you are running
> on a Mac -- this from MakeMusic Tech support -- it works,
> but you are likely to have to keep doing it -- if you are running
> on a Windows platform you will need to check in with MakeMusic
> Tech support:
> 
> Hi Jonathan,
> 
> Thank you for that information. As a first troubleshooting step, please
> follow the steps below to return Finale's hidden preferences to their
> default settings. This will either solve the issue or get us one step
> closer to the solution:
> 
> 1. Quit Finale 2014.5.
> 2. In Finder, navigate to Go menu > Go to Folder
> 3. Type or copy & paste the following location:
> 
> ~/library/preferences
> 
> 4. In the Preferences folder, find a file named Finale 2014.5 Preferences.
> Drag it into the trash.
> 5. Empty your trash.
> 6. Restart your computer.
> 7. Relaunch Finale 2014.5 by opening your Applications folder and
> double-clicking the Finale 2014.5 icon.
> 
> Does the issue still occur? Also, if it still occurs in a specific file,
> please send me that file for testing on my end.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Zack B.
> MakeMusic Customer Success
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 1:18 PM, j...@thomastudios.com 
> wrote:
> 
>> Not meaning to hijack this thread, but I agree with Jon about 2014.5 being
>> an absolute slug when editing a large orchestral file.  I am working on an
>> opera that ballooned to 7.3MB from 3MB when I converted it from Finale 2012
>> to 2014.  Everything takes an eternity when editing: changing tools,
>> copying/pasting even one measure, especially editing lyrics in this file.
>> For me and my current deadline, it’s completely unusable.
>> 
>> I’m curious if the new 64-bit version that isn’t out yet will remedy some
>> of this.
>> 
>> ***
>> J D Thomas
>> ThomaStudios
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 5, 2016, at 12:10 PM, Jon Block  wrote:
>>> 
>>> You will
>>> also find that notation is extremely slow in large
>>> scored (full orchestral).
>> 
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Re: [Finale] Why Is It So Hard to Add Instruments to an Orchestration?

[Jon Block]

JD:
Check out my reply to Ray.  There is a fix.  If you are running
on a Mac -- this from MakeMusic Tech support -- it works,
but you are likely to have to keep doing it -- if you are running
on a Windows platform you will need to check in with MakeMusic
Tech support:

Hi Jonathan,

Thank you for that information. As a first troubleshooting step, please
follow the steps below to return Finale's hidden preferences to their
default settings. This will either solve the issue or get us one step
closer to the solution:

1. Quit Finale 2014.5.
2. In Finder, navigate to Go menu > Go to Folder
3. Type or copy & paste the following location:

~/library/preferences

4. In the Preferences folder, find a file named Finale 2014.5 Preferences.
Drag it into the trash.
5. Empty your trash.
6. Restart your computer.
7. Relaunch Finale 2014.5 by opening your Applications folder and
double-clicking the Finale 2014.5 icon.

Does the issue still occur? Also, if it still occurs in a specific file,
please send me that file for testing on my end.

Thank you,

Zack B.
MakeMusic Customer Success




On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 1:18 PM, j...@thomastudios.com 
wrote:

> Not meaning to hijack this thread, but I agree with Jon about 2014.5 being
> an absolute slug when editing a large orchestral file.  I am working on an
> opera that ballooned to 7.3MB from 3MB when I converted it from Finale 2012
> to 2014.  Everything takes an eternity when editing: changing tools,
> copying/pasting even one measure, especially editing lyrics in this file.
> For me and my current deadline, it’s completely unusable.
>
> I’m curious if the new 64-bit version that isn’t out yet will remedy some
> of this.
>
> ***
> J D Thomas
> ThomaStudios
>
>
>
> > On Jun 5, 2016, at 12:10 PM, Jon Block  wrote:
> >
> > You will
> > also find that notation is extremely slow in large
> > scored (full orchestral).
>
>
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Re: [Finale] Why Is It So Hard to Add Instruments to an Orchestration?

[Jon Block]

Ray:
Check in with MakeMusic tech support.  They told me
to delete the Finale 2014.5 preferences file (this is on
a Mac -- but there should be an equivalent fix for
Windows)
Jon

On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 1:13 PM, Raymond Horton 
wrote:

> I have had two experiences with trying to do very large scores in 2014.5
> and I always have had extremely slow response. I always export back to 2012
> and work in 2012 as much as possible. Saving files , changing time
> signatures, and other routine tasks always take an extremely long time in
> 2014. This is all in Windows.
>
> Raymond Horton
> Composer, Arranger
> Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
> former Bass trombonist, Louisville Orchestra
>
> On Jun 5, 2016 3:10 PM, "Jon Block"  wrote:
>
> > I am using 2014.5 -- sorry to have called it b
> > Do you have an issue stopping the playback?
> > That is an issue for me and MakeMusic confirmed
> > it was an problem they are trying to fix.  You will
> > also find that notation is extremely slow in large
> > scored (full orchestral).
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 1:49 AM, Dr. Raphael D. Thöne <
> > raphael.tho...@drraphaeldthone.onmicrosoft.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Why are using 2014b and not 2014.5? I am using 2014.5 on PC and Mac and
> > > have noticed major performance improvements and less bugs.
> > > Best
> > > Raphael.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Am 05.06.2016 um 03:47 schrieb Jon Block :
> > > >
> > > > Chuck:
> > > > There are some major issues with 2014b.  Playback does not stop when
> > one
> > > hits stop; orchestral scores cause glitches in notation.  I have had to
> > > delete the preferences file each time I start inputs to my orchestral
> > > scores.  MakeMusic has confirmed these are issues without a fix at
> > present.
> > > >
> > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > >
> > > >> On Jun 4, 2016, at 4:16 PM, Chuck Israels 
> > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> John,  This has not been my experience.  Familiarity with how 2014
> > > operates (and there have been some changes since 2012) allows things to
> > > work at least as easily and, in some cases, more easily than they do in
> > > 2012.  I believe this will be the prevailing opinion.
> > > >>
> > > >> Chuck
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Chuck Israels
> > > >> cisra...@comcast.net
> > > >> (360) 201-3434
> > > >>
> > > >> 8831 SE 12th Ave.
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> > > >>
> > > >> 
> > > >>
> > > >>
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Re: [Finale] Why Is It So Hard to Add Instruments to an Orchestration?

[j...@thomastudios.com]

Not meaning to hijack this thread, but I agree with Jon about 2014.5 being an 
absolute slug when editing a large orchestral file.  I am working on an opera 
that ballooned to 7.3MB from 3MB when I converted it from Finale 2012 to 2014.  
Everything takes an eternity when editing: changing tools, copying/pasting even 
one measure, especially editing lyrics in this file.  For me and my current 
deadline, it’s completely unusable.

I’m curious if the new 64-bit version that isn’t out yet will remedy some of 
this.

***
J D Thomas
ThomaStudios



> On Jun 5, 2016, at 12:10 PM, Jon Block  wrote:
> 
> You will
> also find that notation is extremely slow in large
> scored (full orchestral).


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Re: [Finale] Why Is It So Hard to Add Instruments to an Orchestration?

[Jon Block]

Chuck:
Have you had any issues using the playback function?
I have been unable to get it to stop.  This is one I raised
with MakeMusic Tech Support and they told me that
this is a problem they are trying to fix.  Also, they
acknowledged the issue with notation input to large
scores (orchestral size) and told me to kill the Finale
2014.5 preference file.  I have had to do that numerous
times to make the program function as it should.
BTB:  I have been using Finale for a decade and have
not encountered these issues before.

I thought it could be the computer configuration
(I am using a MacBook Pro, mid 2010, 2.4Ghz,
16gig RAM, 1Tb hard disk).  MakeMusic tech
also told me that was plenty of power to run this
version of the program.

Jon

On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Chuck Israels  wrote:

> John,  This has not been my experience.  Familiarity with how 2014
> operates (and there have been some changes since 2012) allows things to
> work at least as easily and, in some cases, more easily than they do in
> 2012.  I believe this will be the prevailing opinion.
>
> Chuck
>
>
> Chuck Israels
> cisra...@comcast.net
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>
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>
> 
>
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Re: [Finale] Why Is It So Hard to Add Instruments to an Orchestration?

[Raymond Horton]

I have had two experiences with trying to do very large scores in 2014.5
and I always have had extremely slow response. I always export back to 2012
and work in 2012 as much as possible. Saving files , changing time
signatures, and other routine tasks always take an extremely long time in
2014. This is all in Windows.

Raymond Horton
Composer, Arranger
Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
former Bass trombonist, Louisville Orchestra

On Jun 5, 2016 3:10 PM, "Jon Block"  wrote:

> I am using 2014.5 -- sorry to have called it b
> Do you have an issue stopping the playback?
> That is an issue for me and MakeMusic confirmed
> it was an problem they are trying to fix.  You will
> also find that notation is extremely slow in large
> scored (full orchestral).
>
> On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 1:49 AM, Dr. Raphael D. Thöne <
> raphael.tho...@drraphaeldthone.onmicrosoft.com> wrote:
>
> > Why are using 2014b and not 2014.5? I am using 2014.5 on PC and Mac and
> > have noticed major performance improvements and less bugs.
> > Best
> > Raphael.
> >
> >
> >
> > > Am 05.06.2016 um 03:47 schrieb Jon Block :
> > >
> > > Chuck:
> > > There are some major issues with 2014b.  Playback does not stop when
> one
> > hits stop; orchestral scores cause glitches in notation.  I have had to
> > delete the preferences file each time I start inputs to my orchestral
> > scores.  MakeMusic has confirmed these are issues without a fix at
> present.
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > >> On Jun 4, 2016, at 4:16 PM, Chuck Israels 
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> John,  This has not been my experience.  Familiarity with how 2014
> > operates (and there have been some changes since 2012) allows things to
> > work at least as easily and, in some cases, more easily than they do in
> > 2012.  I believe this will be the prevailing opinion.
> > >>
> > >> Chuck
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Chuck Israels
> > >> cisra...@comcast.net
> > >> (360) 201-3434
> > >>
> > >> 8831 SE 12th Ave.
> > >> Portland OR 97202
> > >>
> > >> 
> > >>
> > >>
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[Finale] Why Is It So Hard to Add Instruments to an Orchestration?

[Michael Dutka]

Really appreciate the feedback. What I'm hearing is, suck it up until I'm
finished with this orchestration, then upgrade to Finale 2014.5, especially
because I heard 2012 has problems with .asv files (which would really scare
me, because I average a few crashes a month). Anyone have an experience
with 2014.5 that would contraindicate?

And btw, when I created the new file, they had the same problem with the
'measure number' boxes being unchecked in the 'Items to display' menu under
'staff attributes' for about half the staves.  Weird.

Thanks again,
 Mike

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>1. Re: Why Is It So Hard to Add Instruments to anOrchestration?
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> Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2016 16:08:50 -0600
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> Keep away from 2014 and 2014b at all costs!
> They are filled with impossible bugs.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 2:04 AM, David H. Bailey 
> wrote:
>
> > On 6/3/2016 9:08 PM, Michael Dutka wrote:
> > > Hi, folks. Running 2010 on a Macbook pro.
> > >
> > > Orchestrating an opera from a series of piano reductions, which I
> import
> > > into a standard orchestra template, with a standard two-stave piano
> line
> > > between the singers and the strings (then I delete the piano line when
> > I'm
> > > done with each number).
> > >
> > > This particular number needed a harp, and since the piano score was a
> > means
> > > to an end, I just tried to convert the piano line into a harp in the
> > > instrument list (GM = Orchestral Harp, but under instrument, it
> wouldn't
> > > let me plug in a harp, it just came out as Instrument 33). It sounded
> > like
> > > a flute.
> > >
> > > Created a new harp line using New Staves (with setup Wizard). This time
> > it
> > > sounded like a harp. Then, in playback, so did the flute. Changed the
> > flute
> > > to sound like a flute, and the harp sounded like a flute as well.
> > >
> > > Finally, created a whole new orchestra and imported the file, which
> > worked
> > > after a bit of manipulation. But why is it so difficult to just add a
> new
> > > instrument? I had the same issues when I tried to add a solo violin
> line
> > to
> > > an orchestration.
> > >
> >
> >
> > It sounds as if somehow your flute staff and your new harp staff are set
> > to the same midi channel number.  Change that for one of the staves and
> > then assign the correct instrument patch to each staff and you should be
> > able to get them to sound correctly.
> >
> >
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> Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2016 15:16:43 -0700
> From: Chuck Israels 
> Subject: [Finale] Why Is It So Hard to Add Instruments to an
> Orchestration?
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> John,  This has not been my experience.  Familiarity with how 2014
> operates (and there have been some changes since 2012) allows things to
> work at least as easily and, in some cases, more easily than they do in
> 2012.  I believe this will be the prevailing opinion.
>
> Chuck
>
>
> Chuck Israels
> cisra...@comcast.net
> (360) 201-3434
>
> 8831 SE 12th Ave.
> Portland OR 97202
>
> 
>
>
>
>
>
> --
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2016 19:47:41 -0600
> From: Jon Block 
> Subject: Re: [Finale] Why Is It So Hard to Add 

Re: [Finale] Why Is It So Hard to Add Instruments to an Orchestration?

[Jon Block]

I am using 2014.5 -- sorry to have called it b
Do you have an issue stopping the playback?
That is an issue for me and MakeMusic confirmed
it was an problem they are trying to fix.  You will
also find that notation is extremely slow in large
scored (full orchestral).

On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 1:49 AM, Dr. Raphael D. Thöne <
raphael.tho...@drraphaeldthone.onmicrosoft.com> wrote:

> Why are using 2014b and not 2014.5? I am using 2014.5 on PC and Mac and
> have noticed major performance improvements and less bugs.
> Best
> Raphael.
>
>
>
> > Am 05.06.2016 um 03:47 schrieb Jon Block :
> >
> > Chuck:
> > There are some major issues with 2014b.  Playback does not stop when one
> hits stop; orchestral scores cause glitches in notation.  I have had to
> delete the preferences file each time I start inputs to my orchestral
> scores.  MakeMusic has confirmed these are issues without a fix at present.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jun 4, 2016, at 4:16 PM, Chuck Israels  wrote:
> >>
> >> John,  This has not been my experience.  Familiarity with how 2014
> operates (and there have been some changes since 2012) allows things to
> work at least as easily and, in some cases, more easily than they do in
> 2012.  I believe this will be the prevailing opinion.
> >>
> >> Chuck
> >>
> >>
> >> Chuck Israels
> >> cisra...@comcast.net
> >> (360) 201-3434
> >>
> >> 8831 SE 12th Ave.
> >> Portland OR 97202
> >>
> >> 
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [Finale] Why Is It So Hard to Add Instruments to an Orchestration?

[Dr . Raphael D . Thöne]

Why are using 2014b and not 2014.5? I am using 2014.5 on PC and Mac and have 
noticed major performance improvements and less bugs.
Best
Raphael.



> Am 05.06.2016 um 03:47 schrieb Jon Block :
> 
> Chuck:
> There are some major issues with 2014b.  Playback does not stop when one hits 
> stop; orchestral scores cause glitches in notation.  I have had to delete the 
> preferences file each time I start inputs to my orchestral scores.  MakeMusic 
> has confirmed these are issues without a fix at present.  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 4, 2016, at 4:16 PM, Chuck Israels  wrote:
>> 
>> John,  This has not been my experience.  Familiarity with how 2014 operates 
>> (and there have been some changes since 2012) allows things to work at least 
>> as easily and, in some cases, more easily than they do in 2012.  I believe 
>> this will be the prevailing opinion.
>> 
>> Chuck
>> 
>> 
>> Chuck Israels
>> cisra...@comcast.net
>> (360) 201-3434
>> 
>> 8831 SE 12th Ave.
>> Portland OR 97202
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Finale] Why Is It So Hard to Add Instruments to an Orchestration?

[Jon Block]

Chuck:
There are some major issues with 2014b.  Playback does not stop when one hits 
stop; orchestral scores cause glitches in notation.  I have had to delete the 
preferences file each time I start inputs to my orchestral scores.  MakeMusic 
has confirmed these are issues without a fix at present.  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 4, 2016, at 4:16 PM, Chuck Israels  wrote:
> 
> John,  This has not been my experience.  Familiarity with how 2014 operates 
> (and there have been some changes since 2012) allows things to work at least 
> as easily and, in some cases, more easily than they do in 2012.  I believe 
> this will be the prevailing opinion.
> 
> Chuck
> 
> 
> Chuck Israels
> cisra...@comcast.net
> (360) 201-3434
> 
> 8831 SE 12th Ave.
> Portland OR 97202
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[Finale] Why Is It So Hard to Add Instruments to an Orchestration?

[Chuck Israels]

John,  This has not been my experience.  Familiarity with how 2014 operates 
(and there have been some changes since 2012) allows things to work at least as 
easily and, in some cases, more easily than they do in 2012.  I believe this 
will be the prevailing opinion.

Chuck


Chuck Israels
cisra...@comcast.net
(360) 201-3434

8831 SE 12th Ave.
Portland OR 97202





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Re: [Finale] Why Is It So Hard to Add Instruments to an Orchestration?

[Jon Block]

Keep away from 2014 and 2014b at all costs!
They are filled with impossible bugs.



On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 2:04 AM, David H. Bailey 
wrote:

> On 6/3/2016 9:08 PM, Michael Dutka wrote:
> > Hi, folks. Running 2010 on a Macbook pro.
> >
> > Orchestrating an opera from a series of piano reductions, which I import
> > into a standard orchestra template, with a standard two-stave piano line
> > between the singers and the strings (then I delete the piano line when
> I'm
> > done with each number).
> >
> > This particular number needed a harp, and since the piano score was a
> means
> > to an end, I just tried to convert the piano line into a harp in the
> > instrument list (GM = Orchestral Harp, but under instrument, it wouldn't
> > let me plug in a harp, it just came out as Instrument 33). It sounded
> like
> > a flute.
> >
> > Created a new harp line using New Staves (with setup Wizard). This time
> it
> > sounded like a harp. Then, in playback, so did the flute. Changed the
> flute
> > to sound like a flute, and the harp sounded like a flute as well.
> >
> > Finally, created a whole new orchestra and imported the file, which
> worked
> > after a bit of manipulation. But why is it so difficult to just add a new
> > instrument? I had the same issues when I tried to add a solo violin line
> to
> > an orchestration.
> >
>
>
> It sounds as if somehow your flute staff and your new harp staff are set
> to the same midi channel number.  Change that for one of the staves and
> then assign the correct instrument patch to each staff and you should be
> able to get them to sound correctly.
>
>
> --
> David H. Bailey
> dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com
> http://www.davidbaileymusicstudio.com
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Re: [Finale] Why Is It So Hard to Add Instruments to an Orchestration?

[David H. Bailey]

On 6/3/2016 9:08 PM, Michael Dutka wrote:
> Hi, folks. Running 2010 on a Macbook pro.
>
> Orchestrating an opera from a series of piano reductions, which I import
> into a standard orchestra template, with a standard two-stave piano line
> between the singers and the strings (then I delete the piano line when I'm
> done with each number).
>
> This particular number needed a harp, and since the piano score was a means
> to an end, I just tried to convert the piano line into a harp in the
> instrument list (GM = Orchestral Harp, but under instrument, it wouldn't
> let me plug in a harp, it just came out as Instrument 33). It sounded like
> a flute.
>
> Created a new harp line using New Staves (with setup Wizard). This time it
> sounded like a harp. Then, in playback, so did the flute. Changed the flute
> to sound like a flute, and the harp sounded like a flute as well.
>
> Finally, created a whole new orchestra and imported the file, which worked
> after a bit of manipulation. But why is it so difficult to just add a new
> instrument? I had the same issues when I tried to add a solo violin line to
> an orchestration.
>


It sounds as if somehow your flute staff and your new harp staff are set 
to the same midi channel number.  Change that for one of the staves and 
then assign the correct instrument patch to each staff and you should be 
able to get them to sound correctly.


-- 
David H. Bailey
dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com
http://www.davidbaileymusicstudio.com
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Re: [Finale] Why Is It So Hard to Add Instruments to an Orchestration?

[Steve Parker]

I'm on the latest and I see what you've described a lot. I've never got to the 
bottom of it. Sometimes reload all instruments from the MIDI menu sorts it, but 
often that changes half the instruments to piano. 

Steve P. 

> On 4 Jun 2016, at 08:04, Michael  wrote:
> 
> You’re using Finale 2010. In 2012 the Score Manager was introduced, making 
> adding and editing instruments much easier. 
> 
>> On 4 Jun 2016, at 03:08, Michael Dutka  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, folks. Running 2010 on a Macbook pro.
>> 
>> Orchestrating an opera from a series of piano reductions, which I import
>> into a standard orchestra template, with a standard two-stave piano line
>> between the singers and the strings (then I delete the piano line when I'm
>> done with each number).
>> 
>> This particular number needed a harp, and since the piano score was a means
>> to an end, I just tried to convert the piano line into a harp in the
>> instrument list (GM = Orchestral Harp, but under instrument, it wouldn't
>> let me plug in a harp, it just came out as Instrument 33). It sounded like
>> a flute.
>> 
>> Created a new harp line using New Staves (with setup Wizard). This time it
>> sounded like a harp. Then, in playback, so did the flute. Changed the flute
>> to sound like a flute, and the harp sounded like a flute as well.
>> 
>> Finally, created a whole new orchestra and imported the file, which worked
>> after a bit of manipulation. But why is it so difficult to just add a new
>> instrument? I had the same issues when I tried to add a solo violin line to
>> an orchestration.
>> 
>> Planning to upgrade soon. Is 2012 any better at that? How 'bout 2014?
>> 
>> Any help greatly appreciated.
>> 
>> Thanks in advance, and best,
>> 
>> Mike
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Re: [Finale] Why Is It So Hard to Add Instruments to an Orchestration?

[Michael]

You’re using Finale 2010. In 2012 the Score Manager was introduced, making 
adding and editing instruments much easier. 

> On 4 Jun 2016, at 03:08, Michael Dutka  wrote:
> 
> Hi, folks. Running 2010 on a Macbook pro.
> 
> Orchestrating an opera from a series of piano reductions, which I import
> into a standard orchestra template, with a standard two-stave piano line
> between the singers and the strings (then I delete the piano line when I'm
> done with each number).
> 
> This particular number needed a harp, and since the piano score was a means
> to an end, I just tried to convert the piano line into a harp in the
> instrument list (GM = Orchestral Harp, but under instrument, it wouldn't
> let me plug in a harp, it just came out as Instrument 33). It sounded like
> a flute.
> 
> Created a new harp line using New Staves (with setup Wizard). This time it
> sounded like a harp. Then, in playback, so did the flute. Changed the flute
> to sound like a flute, and the harp sounded like a flute as well.
> 
> Finally, created a whole new orchestra and imported the file, which worked
> after a bit of manipulation. But why is it so difficult to just add a new
> instrument? I had the same issues when I tried to add a solo violin line to
> an orchestration.
> 
> Planning to upgrade soon. Is 2012 any better at that? How 'bout 2014?
> 
> Any help greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks in advance, and best,
> 
> Mike
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Re: [Finale] Why Is It So Hard to Add Instruments to an Orchestration?

[Lawrence]

I'm not sure what the problem is but I've never had any difficulty in doing 
what you're trying to achieve. I'm away from my computer at the moment but will 
check tomorrow. 

Cheers

Lawrence

Sent from my iPhone

> On 4 Jun 2016, at 2:08 am, Michael Dutka  wrote:
> 
> Hi, folks. Running 2010 on a Macbook pro.
> 
> Orchestrating an opera from a series of piano reductions, which I import
> into a standard orchestra template, with a standard two-stave piano line
> between the singers and the strings (then I delete the piano line when I'm
> done with each number).
> 
> This particular number needed a harp, and since the piano score was a means
> to an end, I just tried to convert the piano line into a harp in the
> instrument list (GM = Orchestral Harp, but under instrument, it wouldn't
> let me plug in a harp, it just came out as Instrument 33). It sounded like
> a flute.
> 
> Created a new harp line using New Staves (with setup Wizard). This time it
> sounded like a harp. Then, in playback, so did the flute. Changed the flute
> to sound like a flute, and the harp sounded like a flute as well.
> 
> Finally, created a whole new orchestra and imported the file, which worked
> after a bit of manipulation. But why is it so difficult to just add a new
> instrument? I had the same issues when I tried to add a solo violin line to
> an orchestration.
> 
> Planning to upgrade soon. Is 2012 any better at that? How 'bout 2014?
> 
> Any help greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks in advance, and best,
> 
> Mike
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[Finale] Why Is It So Hard to Add Instruments to an Orchestration?

[Michael Dutka]

Hi, folks. Running 2010 on a Macbook pro.

Orchestrating an opera from a series of piano reductions, which I import
into a standard orchestra template, with a standard two-stave piano line
between the singers and the strings (then I delete the piano line when I'm
done with each number).

This particular number needed a harp, and since the piano score was a means
to an end, I just tried to convert the piano line into a harp in the
instrument list (GM = Orchestral Harp, but under instrument, it wouldn't
let me plug in a harp, it just came out as Instrument 33). It sounded like
a flute.

Created a new harp line using New Staves (with setup Wizard). This time it
sounded like a harp. Then, in playback, so did the flute. Changed the flute
to sound like a flute, and the harp sounded like a flute as well.

Finally, created a whole new orchestra and imported the file, which worked
after a bit of manipulation. But why is it so difficult to just add a new
instrument? I had the same issues when I tried to add a solo violin line to
an orchestration.

Planning to upgrade soon. Is 2012 any better at that? How 'bout 2014?

Any help greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance, and best,

Mike
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