Re: [Finale] beaming over grace notes
On Mar 30, 2010, at 7:57 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: The trick is with grace notes, you have to hit EACH grace note ONCE only, then the following eighth note. There is no way to know if you have already toggled the beam on or off, so make sure you are VERY careful with how many times you have hit each note with the / key, and hit each grace note ONLY ONCE! (or three times, because you toggle it on and off each time you hit it.) Don't worry, the grace note won't connect with the normal-sized eighth, but you have to toggle it on anyway. The information is displayed in the Edit Frames window. There's a check box called Beam/Beat and the note will beam to the note before it if that box is UNchecked. This is what the slash key toggles, and with grace notes it has to be off for both. Off the top of my head, I don't remember how to access Edit Frames, though. I think it's control-click or option-click from one of the tools, but I don't recall which. It displays information for the whole measure (well, frame, actually) and you advance through the various notes. mdl ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] beaming over grace notes
I would be interested to know a situation where grace note groups can't be beamed together with regular groups, since I have never encountered such a situation myself. The trick is to beam all the regular notes as well as the grace notes. (I always start from the end of the group and move backwards to beam the gaps.) Or you could, as Robert suggested, use the Beam Selection plug-in from the Patterson PI collection to do that automatically. Best regards, Jari Williamsson SN jef chippewa wrote: use layer 2 for the grace notes, placing and hiding rests where the notes are in layer 1 are that won't allow you to beam across. i did this recently... or maybe it was with another layer and real notes (hidden tuplets) at 75%... I still have not been able to make it work when there are a group of grace notes (such as an ornament) between some of the regular eighth notes. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] beaming over grace notes
Jerry, Are you hitting EVERY one of the grace notes in the group with the / key? If even ONE of them was missed (or hit twice, or four times), then nothing will work. Hmm, I hadn't tried it in 6/8 (in FinMac 2010) until just now, and actually it works with NO extra keystrokes for me! When I enter a ruff (3 sixteenth grace notes) between the first and second eighths of the bar, ALL the beams appear correctly, including the three sixteenths, with NO extra input from me! This is not the case in 4/4, where I have to manually attach every beam around the grace notes with the / key. Are you sure you have 6/8 set to be 2 dotted quarters? Because if you have set the time signature to 6 on top and 8 on the bottom, beaming will be a huge pain. Right-clicking the measure (control click for one-button mouses) will show you an option for 6/8 which is correct with no further editing necessary. Christopher On Tue Mar 30, at TuesdayMar 30 11:22 PM, jerry kalaf wrote: thanks christopher, I was not hitting the grace notes with the / key. once I started doing that it worked. I still have not been able to make it work when there are a group of grace notes (such as an ornament) between some of the regular eighth notes. I'll keep trying. best, jk On Mar 30, 2010, at 7:57 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: Yeah, this is touchy, but you have to know how Finale thinks. In Speedy, you hit the / button normally to create-break beams with the PREVIOUS eighth note. The trick is with grace notes, you have to hit EACH grace note ONCE only, then the following eighth note. There is no way to know if you have already toggled the beam on or off, so make sure you are VERY careful with how many times you have hit each note with the / key, and hit each grace note ONLY ONCE! (or three times, because you toggle it on and off each time you hit it.) Don't worry, the grace note won't connect with the normal-sized eighth, but you have to toggle it on anyway. There is no way I know of to accomplish this automatically. Hope this helps. Christopher On Tue Mar 30, at TuesdayMar 30 10:21 PM, jerry kalaf wrote: anyone know how to allow finale to beam over grace notes such as groups of three eighth notes in 6/8 time with grace notes (drum rudiments - flams and drags etc) in between? thanks, jk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] beaming over grace notes
anyone know how to allow finale to beam over grace notes such as groups of three eighth notes in 6/8 time with grace notes (drum rudiments - flams and drags etc) in between? thanks, jk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] beaming over grace notes
Yeah, this is touchy, but you have to know how Finale thinks. In Speedy, you hit the / button normally to create-break beams with the PREVIOUS eighth note. The trick is with grace notes, you have to hit EACH grace note ONCE only, then the following eighth note. There is no way to know if you have already toggled the beam on or off, so make sure you are VERY careful with how many times you have hit each note with the / key, and hit each grace note ONLY ONCE! (or three times, because you toggle it on and off each time you hit it.) Don't worry, the grace note won't connect with the normal-sized eighth, but you have to toggle it on anyway. There is no way I know of to accomplish this automatically. Hope this helps. Christopher On Tue Mar 30, at TuesdayMar 30 10:21 PM, jerry kalaf wrote: anyone know how to allow finale to beam over grace notes such as groups of three eighth notes in 6/8 time with grace notes (drum rudiments - flams and drags etc) in between? thanks, jk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] beaming over grace notes
thanks christopher, I was not hitting the grace notes with the / key. once I started doing that it worked. I still have not been able to make it work when there are a group of grace notes (such as an ornament) between some of the regular eighth notes. I'll keep trying. best, jk On Mar 30, 2010, at 7:57 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: Yeah, this is touchy, but you have to know how Finale thinks. In Speedy, you hit the / button normally to create-break beams with the PREVIOUS eighth note. The trick is with grace notes, you have to hit EACH grace note ONCE only, then the following eighth note. There is no way to know if you have already toggled the beam on or off, so make sure you are VERY careful with how many times you have hit each note with the / key, and hit each grace note ONLY ONCE! (or three times, because you toggle it on and off each time you hit it.) Don't worry, the grace note won't connect with the normal-sized eighth, but you have to toggle it on anyway. There is no way I know of to accomplish this automatically. Hope this helps. Christopher On Tue Mar 30, at TuesdayMar 30 10:21 PM, jerry kalaf wrote: anyone know how to allow finale to beam over grace notes such as groups of three eighth notes in 6/8 time with grace notes (drum rudiments - flams and drags etc) in between? thanks, jk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] beaming over grace notes
My Beam Selection plugin will do this automatically, so long as the grace notes are of 8th or smaller value. It is not possible to beam over a quarter or larger grace notes in Finale. (Well, you can do it, but the grace notes have to be in a different Voice or Layer: a pain.) On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Christopher Smith christopher.sm...@videotron.ca wrote: Yeah, this is touchy, but you have to know how Finale thinks. In Speedy, you hit the / button normally to create-break beams with the PREVIOUS eighth note. The trick is with grace notes, you have to hit EACH grace note ONCE only, then the following eighth note. There is no way to know if you have already toggled the beam on or off, so make sure you are VERY careful with how many times you have hit each note with the / key, and hit each grace note ONLY ONCE! (or three times, because you toggle it on and off each time you hit it.) Don't worry, the grace note won't connect with the normal-sized eighth, but you have to toggle it on anyway. There is no way I know of to accomplish this automatically. Hope this helps. Christopher On Tue Mar 30, at TuesdayMar 30 10:21 PM, jerry kalaf wrote: anyone know how to allow finale to beam over grace notes such as groups of three eighth notes in 6/8 time with grace notes (drum rudiments - flams and drags etc) in between? thanks, jk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] beaming over grace notes
I just did this in a recent project, where a sixteenth after a dotted eight had 4 grace note leading up to it: place the cursor on the last note (the note after the grace notes) and press the / (slash) key. Klaus --- On Wed, 3/31/10, jerry kalaf jka...@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: jerry kalaf jka...@sbcglobal.net Subject: [Finale] beaming over grace notes To: finale@shsu.edu Date: Wednesday, March 31, 2010, 4:21 AM anyone know how to allow finale to beam over grace notes such as groups of three eighth notes in 6/8 time with grace notes (drum rudiments - flams and drags etc) in between? thanks, jk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] beaming over grace notes
use layer 2 for the grace notes, placing and hiding rests where the notes are in layer 1 are that won't allow you to beam across. i did this recently... or maybe it was with another layer and real notes (hidden tuplets) at 75%... I still have not been able to make it work when there are a group of grace notes (such as an ornament) between some of the regular eighth notes. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] beaming over grace notes
I have not been able to get it to work all the time either (when I am in 3/8. 6/8, 9/8 etc). the layer approach works but is very tedious. thanks, jk On Mar 30, 2010, at 8:53 PM, SN jef chippewa wrote: use layer 2 for the grace notes, placing and hiding rests where the notes are in layer 1 are that won't allow you to beam across. i did this recently... or maybe it was with another layer and real notes (hidden tuplets) at 75%... I still have not been able to make it work when there are a group of grace notes (such as an ornament) between some of the regular eighth notes. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
