Re: [Finale] courtesy accidentals
There is a plug-in for that. And you can do it manually. As I recall, in speedy edit, you hit * to show the accidental that would be hidden by default. And it is a good practice to parenthesize any cautionary accidentals. You can do that by hitting p in speedy edit. On 3/20/2017 4:04 PM, Linda Worsley wrote: > Fin Mac 2014.5 > How do I make a courtesy accidental? > > Thanks! > > Linda > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] courtesy accidentals
Place the note on the note where you want the courtesy accidental and hit the * key. That places an accidental on the note. If you want it in parenthesis place the cursor on the note and hit the p key. David H. Bailey On 3/20/2017 4:04 PM, Linda Worsley wrote: > Fin Mac 2014.5 > How do I make a courtesy accidental? > > Thanks! > > Linda > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > > -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com http://www.davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
[Finale] courtesy accidentals
Fin Mac 2014.5 How do I make a courtesy accidental? Thanks! Linda ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Courtesy Accidentals
An update. As suggested by Christopher, I opened a ticket with tech support, they got back to me, asked to see the file, and correctly identified the issue which was that Auto Freeze Accidentals was unchecked. Checking it fixed the problem -- or at least returned Final to working the way I expected it to work… Neal Gittleman FinMac 2012a.r3, using Speedy Entry All of a sudden, when I enter a courtesy accidental via the * key, it disappears as soon as I leave the measure. Had this problem once before and someone gave me a fix -- something in Preferences, I think. But whatever it was, I can't find it, and it's annoying to have the program continually suppressing accidentals that I want there… Someone got the solution? Thanks! Neal Gittleman ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Courtesy Accidentals
Thanks for the update. That doesn't exactly fix the problem though. What if you go F, then F# later in the measure, and Auto Freeze is on? Then later you edit and decide to change the F to F# as well. Now the second F# has a redundant accidental on it. I wouldn't call that working as expected. Christopher On 21-May-12, at 21-May-12 5:37 PM, Neal Gittleman wrote: An update. As suggested by Christopher, I opened a ticket with tech support, they got back to me, asked to see the file, and correctly identified the issue which was that Auto Freeze Accidentals was unchecked. Checking it fixed the problem -- or at least returned Final to working the way I expected it to work… Neal Gittleman FinMac 2012a.r3, using Speedy Entry All of a sudden, when I enter a courtesy accidental via the * key, it disappears as soon as I leave the measure. Had this problem once before and someone gave me a fix -- something in Preferences, I think. But whatever it was, I can't find it, and it's annoying to have the program continually suppressing accidentals that I want there… Someone got the solution? Thanks! Neal Gittleman ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Courtesy Accidentals
Hmm… I tried what you said, both in a transposed part and a non-transposed part. In each case, when I went back in and changed the first F to F#, the accidental on the F# disappeared. Neal On May 21, 2012, at 5:52 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: Thanks for the update. That doesn't exactly fix the problem though. What if you go F, then F# later in the measure, and Auto Freeze is on? Then later you edit and decide to change the F to F# as well. Now the second F# has a redundant accidental on it. I wouldn't call that working as expected. Christopher On 21-May-12, at 21-May-12 5:37 PM, Neal Gittleman wrote: An update. As suggested by Christopher, I opened a ticket with tech support, they got back to me, asked to see the file, and correctly identified the issue which was that Auto Freeze Accidentals was unchecked. Checking it fixed the problem -- or at least returned Final to working the way I expected it to work… Neal Gittleman FinMac 2012a.r3, using Speedy Entry All of a sudden, when I enter a courtesy accidental via the * key, it disappears as soon as I leave the measure. Had this problem once before and someone gave me a fix -- something in Preferences, I think. But whatever it was, I can't find it, and it's annoying to have the program continually suppressing accidentals that I want there… Someone got the solution? Thanks! Neal Gittleman ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Courtesy Accidentals
I am ecstatic to be proved wrong! I hope this is it... Christopher On Mon May 21, at MondayMay 21 9:24 PM, Neal Gittleman wrote: Hmm… I tried what you said, both in a transposed part and a non-transposed part. In each case, when I went back in and changed the first F to F#, the accidental on the F# disappeared. Neal On May 21, 2012, at 5:52 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: Thanks for the update. That doesn't exactly fix the problem though. What if you go F, then F# later in the measure, and Auto Freeze is on? Then later you edit and decide to change the F to F# as well. Now the second F# has a redundant accidental on it. I wouldn't call that working as expected. Christopher On 21-May-12, at 21-May-12 5:37 PM, Neal Gittleman wrote: An update. As suggested by Christopher, I opened a ticket with tech support, they got back to me, asked to see the file, and correctly identified the issue which was that Auto Freeze Accidentals was unchecked. Checking it fixed the problem -- or at least returned Final to working the way I expected it to work… Neal Gittleman FinMac 2012a.r3, using Speedy Entry All of a sudden, when I enter a courtesy accidental via the * key, it disappears as soon as I leave the measure. Had this problem once before and someone gave me a fix -- something in Preferences, I think. But whatever it was, I can't find it, and it's annoying to have the program continually suppressing accidentals that I want there… Someone got the solution? Thanks! Neal Gittleman ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Courtesy Accidentals
Will-do. And you're right about chromatic transposition. As I continued to work on the project, I noticed that the behavior that annoyed me only happened in transposed parts, like Horns and Trumpets, where I didn't want to simply rely on the key signature for the transposition-related accidentals. Non-transposed parts behaved exactly as I wanted them to. Neal On May 14, 2012, at 11:24 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: Sorry, no way to evade it that I know of. I bet you're using Chromatic Transposition. Some people say that if you enter the music while Display In Concert Pitch is turned off, it is more reliable. I haven't found that to be the case, and it bugs the heck out of me. Sometimes I resort to putting an accidental in as an articulation, which burns my buttocks. Please open a ticket with tech support, so they have proper documentation to allow them to fix this. It has been this way for far too long. Christopher On Mon May 14, at MondayMay 14 8:56 PM, Neal Gittleman wrote: Greetings… FinMac 2012a.r3, using Speedy Entry All of a sudden, when I enter a courtesy accidental via the * key, it disappears as soon as I leave the measure. Had this problem once before and someone gave me a fix -- something in Preferences, I think. But whatever it was, I can't find it, and it's annoying to have the program continually suppressing accidentals that I want there… Someone got the solution? Thanks! Neal Gittleman ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Courtesy Accidentals
Greetings… FinMac 2012a.r3, using Speedy Entry All of a sudden, when I enter a courtesy accidental via the * key, it disappears as soon as I leave the measure. Had this problem once before and someone gave me a fix -- something in Preferences, I think. But whatever it was, I can't find it, and it's annoying to have the program continually suppressing accidentals that I want there… Someone got the solution? Thanks! Neal Gittleman ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Courtesy Accidentals
Sorry, no way to evade it that I know of. I bet you're using Chromatic Transposition. Some people say that if you enter the music while Display In Concert Pitch is turned off, it is more reliable. I haven't found that to be the case, and it bugs the heck out of me. Sometimes I resort to putting an accidental in as an articulation, which burns my buttocks. Please open a ticket with tech support, so they have proper documentation to allow them to fix this. It has been this way for far too long. Christopher On Mon May 14, at MondayMay 14 8:56 PM, Neal Gittleman wrote: Greetings… FinMac 2012a.r3, using Speedy Entry All of a sudden, when I enter a courtesy accidental via the * key, it disappears as soon as I leave the measure. Had this problem once before and someone gave me a fix -- something in Preferences, I think. But whatever it was, I can't find it, and it's annoying to have the program continually suppressing accidentals that I want there… Someone got the solution? Thanks! Neal Gittleman ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Courtesy Accidentals
On 2012-05-15 02:56, Neal Gittleman wrote: All of a sudden, when I enter a courtesy accidental via the * key, it disappears as soon as I leave the measure. Try to freeze the accidental state. Don't know the command on the Mac though, it's Ctrl-* on Windows. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] courtesy accidentals
We went through this once before, and I can't find the response in my archive. How do I provide courtesy accidentals? They are not in any of the tools, thouh at one time they used to lurk in the articulation tool. Is there a key command? Thanks, Linda Worsley ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] courtesy accidentals
NEVER MIND. I found it. Who knew it would be so easy! Thanks again, Linda ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] courtesy accidentals
My experiences are not quite what Ryan described, but perhaps this is because I use WinFin, rather than MAC. Yes, to force the display of an accidental, I select the note in speedy entry, and press the *. Also, to place the parenthesis around the note (which I don't always do for courtesy accidentals) I do press the P key. However, in some circumstances the cursor has to be on the pitch of the note on which I'm placing the courtesy accidental. You might check the documentation (under courtesy accidental) for more explicit directions. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] courtesy accidentals
Noel Stoutenburg wrote: courtesy accidentals) I do press the P key. However, in some circumstances the cursor has to be on the pitch of the note on which I'm placing the courtesy accidental. That would be if you've got a chord. If you only have one note, the cursor can be vertically anywhere, as long as you're on the right beat. With a chord, if the cursor is on one of the chord tones, * puts an accidental on just that note; otherwise, it puts accidentals on all notes in the chord. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] courtesy accidentals
Thanks to everyone for the help on courtesy accidentals. They all work, but take about four times as long as I remember. I seem to remember a set of accidentals, both with and without parentheses in either the articulation tool or the expression tool, where I could just select and position the courtesy accidental. Was I dreaming? Also I use simply entry, though I use speedy for some special tasks like creating or separating beans. I have always used simple and I know that arguments rage about which is better, but simple is better for me and with an outboard numeric pad on the left and a mouse in my right hand I can go like the wind. But this may be one case where I use speedy for a specific task. Still, I'm wondering what happened to those graphics (I think) I used to use. Does anyone remember those? Did they disappear in later versions of Finale. By the way, the reason I am begging for help here is that my 2010 documentation seems to have disappeared when I changed computers and cloned everything to this one. Linda ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] courtesy accidentals
On my Mac, adding a courtesy in Simple Entry is command-shift-minus. I don't use Simple myself (except for Repitch with a MIDI keyboard, which is brilliant) so I don't know what the parentheses would be, but I'm sure it's something simple, maybe P. You don't want to add courtesy accidentals in as expressions or articulations, I'm sure. I suggest reinstalling Finale. It doesn't take well to being cloned at the best of times. Christopher On 4-Dec-11, at 4-Dec-11 11:09 AM, Linda Worsley wrote: Thanks to everyone for the help on courtesy accidentals. They all work, but take about four times as long as I remember. I seem to remember a set of accidentals, both with and without parentheses in either the articulation tool or the expression tool, where I could just select and position the courtesy accidental. Was I dreaming? Also I use simply entry, though I use speedy for some special tasks like creating or separating beans. I have always used simple and I know that arguments rage about which is better, but simple is better for me and with an outboard numeric pad on the left and a mouse in my right hand I can go like the wind. But this may be one case where I use speedy for a specific task. Still, I'm wondering what happened to those graphics (I think) I used to use. Does anyone remember those? Did they disappear in later versions of Finale. By the way, the reason I am begging for help here is that my 2010 documentation seems to have disappeared when I changed computers and cloned everything to this one. Linda ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] courtesy accidentals
Maybe you had created an articulation library that included the symbols from the Maestro font? Two different sizes of accidental in parentheses are : (#) at position 91 and 97 (natural) at 78 and 210 (b) at 65 123 At least they are still there in Maestro in my Fin2003 version Hope that helps Michael -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Linda Worsley Sent: 04 December 2011 16:09 To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] courtesy accidentals Thanks to everyone for the help on courtesy accidentals. They all work, but take about four times as long as I remember. I seem to remember a set of accidentals, both with and without parentheses in either the articulation tool or the expression tool, where I could just select and position the courtesy accidental. Was I dreaming? Also I use simply entry, though I use speedy for some special tasks like creating or separating beans. I have always used simple and I know that arguments rage about which is better, but simple is better for me and with an outboard numeric pad on the left and a mouse in my right hand I can go like the wind. But this may be one case where I use speedy for a specific task. Still, I'm wondering what happened to those graphics (I think) I used to use. Does anyone remember those? Did they disappear in later versions of Finale. By the way, the reason I am begging for help here is that my 2010 documentation seems to have disappeared when I changed computers and cloned everything to this one. Linda ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] courtesy accidentals
On the use of courtesy accidentals: I seem to get more questions from performers if I really meant to write those notes when I use courtesy accidentals than when I don't use anything. I just want to clarify things and not waste rehearsal time, but it often seems to backfire. I haven't decided if I should turn this into personal rule yet. It might just be that the notes in question sound wrong. (i.e., it's not the music, it's ME!). -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] courtesy accidentals
It's my experience that when I give a new piece to the players either for live performance or recording, that leaving out courtesy accidentals *does* waste time. I have always erred on the side of using them, especially when cancelling a previous accidental that might prove confusing. I made this a rule after having to stop and clarify, especially in the studio where *I* was paying the tab. Some bits of notation clutter, but I think courtesy accidntals do not. I don't use parentheses except in cases where it seems clearer than a naked accidental. By the way, I just created a whole library and put it in the articulation tool. Six different characters (w and w/o parentheses.) I also created a key command for them. (I love this particular feature!) But I don't remember having to create this library before, and I have used Finale since the very first version in the 80s. But maybe I am getting dotty after all these years... Thanks to all for help! Linda On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 8:53 AM, Randolph Peters randolphpet...@shaw.cawrote: On the use of courtesy accidentals: I seem to get more questions from performers if I really meant to write those notes when I use courtesy accidentals than when I don't use anything. I just want to clarify things and not waste rehearsal time, but it often seems to backfire. I haven't decided if I should turn this into personal rule yet. It might just be that the notes in question sound wrong. (i.e., it's not the music, it's ME!). -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] courtesy accidentals
I used to parenthesise courtesy accidentals, so as to differentiate them from real (needed) accidentals, kind of as a wink to the performer as if to say, I know you know this is flat now, but this is just to keep you from having to look back and waste CPU cycles thinking about it. But I noticed that they were being misread a lot, and finally realised the reason. A sharp has a much different outline than a flat, so we can identify them without even really thinking about them. (Not so much a natural, which looks like a sharp somewhat, but that's another story). As soon as you put parentheses around an accidental, they ALL have the same outline, meaning that you have look inside the parentheses to identify and interpret the symbol. This might JUST be enough time to prevent a performer in a dense passage from making the correct decision. Also, parentheses take up more horizontal space, messing with the spacing, which is more important to correct rhythmic reading than I ever thought before. So, to wrap this up, I don't parenthesise accidentals any more. I just put them in where I think they are needed, even if it isn't in accord with the rules of notation. Christopher On Sun Dec 4, at SundayDec 4 12:18 PM, Linda Worsley wrote: It's my experience that when I give a new piece to the players either for live performance or recording, that leaving out courtesy accidentals *does* waste time. I have always erred on the side of using them, especially when cancelling a previous accidental that might prove confusing. I made this a rule after having to stop and clarify, especially in the studio where *I* was paying the tab. Some bits of notation clutter, but I think courtesy accidntals do not. I don't use parentheses except in cases where it seems clearer than a naked accidental. By the way, I just created a whole library and put it in the articulation tool. Six different characters (w and w/o parentheses.) I also created a key command for them. (I love this particular feature!) But I don't remember having to create this library before, and I have used Finale since the very first version in the 80s. But maybe I am getting dotty after all these years... Thanks to all for help! Linda ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] courtesy accidentals
Hi Linda, I'm sending you the Fin 2010 Help Files via YouSendIt.com. Hope this helps. Lon On Dec 4, 2011, at 8:09 AM, Linda Worsley wrote: Thanks to everyone for the help on courtesy accidentals. They all work, but take about four times as long as I remember. I seem to remember a set of accidentals, both with and without parentheses in either the articulation tool or the expression tool, where I could just select and position the courtesy accidental. Was I dreaming? Also I use simply entry, though I use speedy for some special tasks like creating or separating beans. I have always used simple and I know that arguments rage about which is better, but simple is better for me and with an outboard numeric pad on the left and a mouse in my right hand I can go like the wind. But this may be one case where I use speedy for a specific task. Still, I'm wondering what happened to those graphics (I think) I used to use. Does anyone remember those? Did they disappear in later versions of Finale. By the way, the reason I am begging for help here is that my 2010 documentation seems to have disappeared when I changed computers and cloned everything to this one. Linda ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Lon Price lonpr...@txstnr.com http://www.txstnr.com/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] courtesy accidentals
wow! Thanks so much! Linda On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 9:07 AM, TXSTNR POP account lonpr...@txstnr.comwrote: Hi Linda, I'm sending you the Fin 2010 Help Files via YouSendIt.com. Hope this helps. Lon On Dec 4, 2011, at 8:09 AM, Linda Worsley wrote: Thanks to everyone for the help on courtesy accidentals. They all work, but take about four times as long as I remember. I seem to remember a set of accidentals, both with and without parentheses in either the articulation tool or the expression tool, where I could just select and position the courtesy accidental. Was I dreaming? Also I use simply entry, though I use speedy for some special tasks like creating or separating beans. I have always used simple and I know that arguments rage about which is better, but simple is better for me and with an outboard numeric pad on the left and a mouse in my right hand I can go like the wind. But this may be one case where I use speedy for a specific task. Still, I'm wondering what happened to those graphics (I think) I used to use. Does anyone remember those? Did they disappear in later versions of Finale. By the way, the reason I am begging for help here is that my 2010 documentation seems to have disappeared when I changed computers and cloned everything to this one. Linda ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Lon Price lonpr...@txstnr.com http://www.txstnr.com/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] courtesy accidentals
You do not need to hit the asterisk key first to force the courtesy accidental w/parentheses to show on a note. With the cursor on the beat in question, just hit the p key in Speedy to make it appear. It has a toggle action, so another p stroke will hide it again. As has been mentioned earlier, on single pitch entries you can apply this on the beat without having the cursor on the specific pitch. It will also apply to all pitches in a chord if the cursor is not on any pitch. The same method of application also applies to true pitch alterations using the plus and minus keys. Parenthesized accidentals should be used as a reminder that a pitch has returned to the key signature only after that pitch has been altered in a previous measure. If you don't use parentheses for pitches returning to the key signature, the players might assume they are in a different key. (Otherwise, why would there be an accidental there?) The number of measures between the occurrence of the altered pitch and the use of the courtesy accidental varies between publishers and the grade level of the music. Beginner level pieces might show courtesies up to four bars after the alteration while more advanced pieces might limit their use to the following measure. Regardless of the rules you use, consistency in notation is the performers friend. Mark Ralston Musical/Arts Consultants, Inc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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For what it's worth, I always use parentheses for courtesy accidentals - if I don't it leads to the time wasting question, Why is there a sharp sign there - should the previous one be a natural? With the parentheses it's recognised as a courtesy. Cheers, Lawrence -- Lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] courtesy accidentals
At 1:55 PM -0500 12/4/11, Mark Ralston wrote: Parenthesized accidentals should be used as a reminder that a pitch has returned to the key signature only after that pitch has been altered in a previous measure. If you don't use parentheses for pitches returning to the key signature, the players might assume they are in a different key. (Otherwise, why would there be an accidental there?) Yes, that's the theory, and as a theory it works just fine. So does leaving the accidental out, as long as every composer, arranger, engraver and publisher has proofread perfectly and accidentals ALWAYS cancel at a barline. But in practice there can be questions, and isn't one purpose of accurate notation to make questions as few as possible? In theory a measure of Bach in 4/4 or 12/8 with 12 or 16 notes in it should not need a repeated accidental if that accidental appears at the beginning of the measure, but trust me, there can ALWAYS be a question, and several 19th century European publishers DID insert repeat accidentals when that note comes back at the end of the measure. Otherwise we often have to write it in, so why NOT include it? But then the question is whether or not it should have parentheses. My answer is to use what works in practice, with the musicians you're actually working with, and the heck with the rules. John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music School of Performing Arts Cinema College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences 290 College Ave., Blacksburg, Virginia 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html Machen Sie es, wie Sie wollen, machen Sie es nur schön. (Do it as you like, just make it beautiful!) --Johannes Brahms ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] courtesy accidentals
Hi Linda, I'll reiterate Chris's observation that using the articulation tool to create courtesy accidentals is not the optimal solution. The existing shortcuts in Speedy/Simple are much faster and more reliable in a greater variety of situations (transposing instruments, transposed passages), space automatically and accurately, play back correctly, and are less prone to user error (for instance, changing a Bb to a B nat. in Speedy/Simple but forgetting to remove the articulation as accidental). And then, course, there is also the Courtesy Accidentals plugin, which does what you want automatically (using Finale accidentals, not articulations). Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 4 Dec 2011, at 12:18 PM, Linda Worsley wrote: It's my experience that when I give a new piece to the players either for live performance or recording, that leaving out courtesy accidentals *does* waste time. I have always erred on the side of using them, especially when cancelling a previous accidental that might prove confusing. I made this a rule after having to stop and clarify, especially in the studio where *I* was paying the tab. Some bits of notation clutter, but I think courtesy accidntals do not. I don't use parentheses except in cases where it seems clearer than a naked accidental. By the way, I just created a whole library and put it in the articulation tool. Six different characters (w and w/o parentheses.) I also created a key command for them. (I love this particular feature!) But I don't remember having to create this library before, and I have used Finale since the very first version in the 80s. But maybe I am getting dotty after all these years... Thanks to all for help! Linda On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 8:53 AM, Randolph Peters randolphpet...@shaw.cawrote: On the use of courtesy accidentals: I seem to get more questions from performers if I really meant to write those notes when I use courtesy accidentals than when I don't use anything. I just want to clarify things and not waste rehearsal time, but it often seems to backfire. I haven't decided if I should turn this into personal rule yet. It might just be that the notes in question sound wrong. (i.e., it's not the music, it's ME!). -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] courtesy accidentals
I'm using Mac Fin 2010 and haven't been doing notation for awhile. I can't seem to find courtesy (for inserting courtesy accidentals). Do I have to creat them in the articulation or expression tool? I don't remember it being so mysterious. Sharps, flats, naturals-- none of those appear as an option in the dialog box for either of those tools. I'm brain dead or someone has made off with my accidentals. Help! (and Thanks) Linda Worsley ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] courtesy accidentals
In Speedy Entry, put the cursor on the note you'd like to add an accidental to. Hit the * key. An accidental will appear. Hit the p key. That should put an accidental in parentheses in front of the note. You can define which character appears there in the document optionsaccidentals window,. On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 10:55 PM, Linda Worsley li...@ganymuse.com wrote: I'm using Mac Fin 2010 and haven't been doing notation for awhile. I can't seem to find courtesy (for inserting courtesy accidentals). Do I have to creat them in the articulation or expression tool? I don't remember it being so mysterious. Sharps, flats, naturals-- none of those appear as an option in the dialog box for either of those tools. I'm brain dead or someone has made off with my accidentals. Help! (and Thanks) Linda Worsley ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Courtesy accidentals problems
Forgive this second post, but I am getting desperate. Every time I open older files, like one created with FinMac2005 with FinMac2008, I get Courtesy naturals before accidental appear later in the measure, and I get parenthesis on accidentals where they shouldn't be. This has been a major headache. Does anyone know what is going on? -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
