Re: [Finale] garbled GPO playback

2007-05-22 Thread Randolph Peters

At 1:05 PM -0700 5/3/07, MB wrote:
Do any of you have advice on how to prevent GPO playback from being 
garbled?  The piece in question is a piano quintet, so four KS 
strings plus one Steinway piano are loaded on channels 1-5.  Some 
measures sound like an old LP with many scratches.


It is possible that this is a memory problem. My system is a Pentium 
4, 2.27 GHz, 1 G RAM (the max on this computer), the paging file is 
set at the max (1538MB), and when working in Finale, I turn off as 
many background applications as seem to be safe to unload.


If not a memory problem, what else can I do to eliminate these 
scratchy measures?


Thanks for any advice. Marilyn


I noticed that nobody answered your query from a few weeks ago. This 
is an issue that has come up a few times before. (Wouldn't it be 
great if this list had an easy to search archive?)


The general consensus is that Key Switch (KS) instruments in GPO use 
a LOT more memory than the non-KS instruments. On my system I can 
only use 3 or 4 KS instruments in a dense musical texture before I 
get static. By using non KS instruments, I can get many more to play 
at the same time. The exact number varies from piece to piece and 
from computer to computer. (CPU, RAM and hard disk speed are all 
factors.)


Here are some strategies that I use in order to play many instruments:

1) Offload instruments to another computer and link to them with MIDI.

2) Use a combination of hardware sound modules and software sound sources.

3) Instead of using a KS instrument in GPO, examine the music to see 
if you really need all the options that the KS instrument offers. If, 
say, you only need arco and pizz. in the strings, it might be more 
efficient to make 2 non KS instruments and have the staff switch 
channels for those sounds. (The pizz. expression could have the 
channel change as part of the expression itself.)


4) Use sounds that use up little memory and system resources while in 
Finale, export the file to a good sequencer program, and then audio 
record each staff (or track) with your best sounds and instruments. 
You might have to record one track at a time. Mix the result. This is 
the most time consuming method, but it gets the best results in the 
end.


5) You can get a little more juice out of GPO if you don't use their 
reverb, or if you turn the quality of the reverb down. If you want to 
record the audio, try adding the reverb at a later stage. (Using 
software plugins on the recorded file.)


6) Devote all of your system resources to running Finale and your 
sound programs. Avoid background processes and other programs.


7) Throw more money and hardware at the problem. (This is a never 
ending solution, so use caution!)


I'm probably missing a few tricks that others might add to the list. 
Good luck with your experiments!


-Randolph Peters
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Re: [Finale] garbled GPO playback

2007-05-22 Thread Randolph Peters

MB wrote:
Do any of you have advice on how to prevent GPO playback from being 
garbled?  The piece in question is a piano quintet, so four KS 
strings plus one Steinway piano are loaded on channels 1-5.

[snip]

I wrote:

Here are some strategies that I use in order to play many instruments:
[snip]


4) Use sounds that use up little memory and system resources while 
in Finale, export the file to a good sequencer program, and then 
audio record each staff (or track) with your best sounds and 
instruments. You might have to record one track at a time. Mix the 
result. This is the most time consuming method, but it gets the best 
results in the end.


I should add that if you want to export a file to a sequencer and you 
want to take advantage of the Key Switching properties once you are 
in the sequencer, you can either put these directly into the 
sequencer program, or you can load the GPO instruments in Finale. 
These won't play properly in Finale because of the strain on the 
computer system, but the Human Playback calculations that go into the 
exported MIDI file will take those special KS properties into 
account. (Make sure you've loaded the Notation KS instruments.)


To sum up, if you've been using temporary sounds just to play the 
file in Finale and then you want to use the full GPO package (or 
similar) in your sequencing program, load the GPO instruments into 
Finale before exporting the file.


-Randolph Peters
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[Finale] garbled GPO playback

2007-05-03 Thread MB
Do any of you have advice on how to prevent GPO playback from being
garbled?  The piece in question is a piano quintet, so four KS strings 
plus one Steinway piano are loaded on channels 1-5.  Some measures
sound like an old LP with many scratches.
It is possible that this is a memory problem. My system is a
Pentium 4, 2.27 GHz, 1 G RAM (the max on this computer), the paging
file is set at the max (1538MB), and when working in Finale, I turn off
as many background applications as seem to be safe to unload. 
If not a memory problem, what else can I do to eliminate these
scratchy measures?
Thanks for any advice.
Marilyn 
   

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