Re: [Finale] measure width for whole rest (empty) bars
Ryan, This is a limitation of Finale. Whatever value you give for minimum measure width, Finale gives as much space for the default whole measure rest as it would for a whole note. However, you can remedy this with Jari's plug-in: JW Space Empty Rests (hey, why didn't he tell you that?). You'll find it on the Downloads page at his site: http://www.finaletips.nu/index.php?option=com_phocadownloadview=sectionsItemid=2 Best wishes, Michael On 30 Dec 2011, at 03:09, Ryan wrote: Thanks for your advice, but I'm still getting whole rest measures that are wider than measures with music in them. Minimum Measure Width: 0 spaces Maximum Measure Width: 1365.29167 spaces (I entered 10,000 and Finale lowered it to that value). Try this in a default document: Meter 2/4. No key signature. First measure, half note A-nat, Second measure, whole rest, Third and Fourth measures, eighth rest, Ab eighth note, quarter rest. (Pick an Ab lower in the staff so that the stem goes up and Finale adds space for the flag.) Apply note spacing. In my document the space of the half note measure is 7.04167 spaces, the empty measures is 10.5 spaces, and third and fourth measures are is 10.29 spaces. Where does Finale get the the width of 10.5 spaces for the empty measure? I'd like it to be skinnier so that it more closely matches the 7-spaces-wide measure with the lone half note in it. On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 5:43 PM, Darcy James Argue djar...@earthlink.netwrote: Hi Ryan, Your maximum width is set artificially low (which you did not mention). You should make it as big as Finale will allow. This setting doesn't seem to have any bearing on Finale's default measure width for a single measure of rest. It does if your minimum width is smaller than your maximum width. That value has to be somewhere, right? You can specify how wide you want a multi-measure rest, so I think you should be able to specify how wide you want single measure rest. Minimum measure width is in fact the variable that governs what you want. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 29 Dec 2011, at 5:38 PM, Ryan wrote: That didn't work, Darcy. It created the opposite of what I want. Did you perhaps mean to tell me to change the *maximum* width? That's already set at 75 spaces. This setting doesn't seem to have any bearing on Finale's default measure width for a single measure of rest. That value has to be somewhere, right? You can specify how wide you want a multi-measure rest, so I think you should be able to specify how wide you want single measure rest. On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 5:00 PM, Darcy James Argue djar...@earthlink.netwrote: Hi Ryan, You want to make the minimum width larger, not smaller. Try making the minimum width 150 points or similar. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 29 Dec 2011, at 4:56 PM, Ryan Beard wrote: I've tried that. Even with a minimum width of 1 space the empty measures are still wider than adjacent measures with music in them. On Dec 29, 2011, at 12:35 PM, Jari Williamsson jari.williams...@mailbox.swipnet.se wrote: On 2011-12-29 00:32, Ryan wrote: How do I globally change the default width for measures with default whole rests in them? All the steps I've taken so far have not changed anything. Change the minimum width and respace. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] measure width for whole rest (empty) bars
On 2011-12-29 00:32, Ryan wrote: How do I globally change the default width for measures with default whole rests in them? All the steps I've taken so far have not changed anything. Change the minimum width and respace. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] measure width for whole rest (empty) bars
I've tried that. Even with a minimum width of 1 space the empty measures are still wider than adjacent measures with music in them. On Dec 29, 2011, at 12:35 PM, Jari Williamsson jari.williams...@mailbox.swipnet.se wrote: On 2011-12-29 00:32, Ryan wrote: How do I globally change the default width for measures with default whole rests in them? All the steps I've taken so far have not changed anything. Change the minimum width and respace. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] measure width for whole rest (empty) bars
Hi Ryan, You want to make the minimum width larger, not smaller. Try making the minimum width 150 points or similar. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 29 Dec 2011, at 4:56 PM, Ryan Beard wrote: I've tried that. Even with a minimum width of 1 space the empty measures are still wider than adjacent measures with music in them. On Dec 29, 2011, at 12:35 PM, Jari Williamsson jari.williams...@mailbox.swipnet.se wrote: On 2011-12-29 00:32, Ryan wrote: How do I globally change the default width for measures with default whole rests in them? All the steps I've taken so far have not changed anything. Change the minimum width and respace. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] measure width for whole rest (empty) bars
That didn't work, Darcy. It created the opposite of what I want. Did you perhaps mean to tell me to change the *maximum* width? That's already set at 75 spaces. This setting doesn't seem to have any bearing on Finale's default measure width for a single measure of rest. That value has to be somewhere, right? You can specify how wide you want a multi-measure rest, so I think you should be able to specify how wide you want single measure rest. On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 5:00 PM, Darcy James Argue djar...@earthlink.netwrote: Hi Ryan, You want to make the minimum width larger, not smaller. Try making the minimum width 150 points or similar. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 29 Dec 2011, at 4:56 PM, Ryan Beard wrote: I've tried that. Even with a minimum width of 1 space the empty measures are still wider than adjacent measures with music in them. On Dec 29, 2011, at 12:35 PM, Jari Williamsson jari.williams...@mailbox.swipnet.se wrote: On 2011-12-29 00:32, Ryan wrote: How do I globally change the default width for measures with default whole rests in them? All the steps I've taken so far have not changed anything. Change the minimum width and respace. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] measure width for whole rest (empty) bars
Hi Ryan, Your maximum width is set artificially low (which you did not mention). You should make it as big as Finale will allow. This setting doesn't seem to have any bearing on Finale's default measure width for a single measure of rest. It does if your minimum width is smaller than your maximum width. That value has to be somewhere, right? You can specify how wide you want a multi-measure rest, so I think you should be able to specify how wide you want single measure rest. Minimum measure width is in fact the variable that governs what you want. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 29 Dec 2011, at 5:38 PM, Ryan wrote: That didn't work, Darcy. It created the opposite of what I want. Did you perhaps mean to tell me to change the *maximum* width? That's already set at 75 spaces. This setting doesn't seem to have any bearing on Finale's default measure width for a single measure of rest. That value has to be somewhere, right? You can specify how wide you want a multi-measure rest, so I think you should be able to specify how wide you want single measure rest. On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 5:00 PM, Darcy James Argue djar...@earthlink.netwrote: Hi Ryan, You want to make the minimum width larger, not smaller. Try making the minimum width 150 points or similar. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 29 Dec 2011, at 4:56 PM, Ryan Beard wrote: I've tried that. Even with a minimum width of 1 space the empty measures are still wider than adjacent measures with music in them. On Dec 29, 2011, at 12:35 PM, Jari Williamsson jari.williams...@mailbox.swipnet.se wrote: On 2011-12-29 00:32, Ryan wrote: How do I globally change the default width for measures with default whole rests in them? All the steps I've taken so far have not changed anything. Change the minimum width and respace. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] measure width for whole rest (empty) bars
Thanks for your advice, but I'm still getting whole rest measures that are wider than measures with music in them. Minimum Measure Width: 0 spaces Maximum Measure Width: 1365.29167 spaces (I entered 10,000 and Finale lowered it to that value). Try this in a default document: Meter 2/4. No key signature. First measure, half note A-nat, Second measure, whole rest, Third and Fourth measures, eighth rest, Ab eighth note, quarter rest. (Pick an Ab lower in the staff so that the stem goes up and Finale adds space for the flag.) Apply note spacing. In my document the space of the half note measure is 7.04167 spaces, the empty measures is 10.5 spaces, and third and fourth measures are is 10.29 spaces. Where does Finale get the the width of 10.5 spaces for the empty measure? I'd like it to be skinnier so that it more closely matches the 7-spaces-wide measure with the lone half note in it. On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 5:43 PM, Darcy James Argue djar...@earthlink.netwrote: Hi Ryan, Your maximum width is set artificially low (which you did not mention). You should make it as big as Finale will allow. This setting doesn't seem to have any bearing on Finale's default measure width for a single measure of rest. It does if your minimum width is smaller than your maximum width. That value has to be somewhere, right? You can specify how wide you want a multi-measure rest, so I think you should be able to specify how wide you want single measure rest. Minimum measure width is in fact the variable that governs what you want. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 29 Dec 2011, at 5:38 PM, Ryan wrote: That didn't work, Darcy. It created the opposite of what I want. Did you perhaps mean to tell me to change the *maximum* width? That's already set at 75 spaces. This setting doesn't seem to have any bearing on Finale's default measure width for a single measure of rest. That value has to be somewhere, right? You can specify how wide you want a multi-measure rest, so I think you should be able to specify how wide you want single measure rest. On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 5:00 PM, Darcy James Argue djar...@earthlink.netwrote: Hi Ryan, You want to make the minimum width larger, not smaller. Try making the minimum width 150 points or similar. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 29 Dec 2011, at 4:56 PM, Ryan Beard wrote: I've tried that. Even with a minimum width of 1 space the empty measures are still wider than adjacent measures with music in them. On Dec 29, 2011, at 12:35 PM, Jari Williamsson jari.williams...@mailbox.swipnet.se wrote: On 2011-12-29 00:32, Ryan wrote: How do I globally change the default width for measures with default whole rests in them? All the steps I've taken so far have not changed anything. Change the minimum width and respace. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] measure width for whole rest (empty) bars
Hi Ryan, One more time: set your *MINIMUM* measure width to 150 points or higher. (Not zero.) Leave your maximum measure width maxed. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 29 Dec 2011, at 6:09 PM, Ryan wrote: Thanks for your advice, but I'm still getting whole rest measures that are wider than measures with music in them. Minimum Measure Width: 0 spaces Maximum Measure Width: 1365.29167 spaces (I entered 10,000 and Finale lowered it to that value). Try this in a default document: Meter 2/4. No key signature. First measure, half note A-nat, Second measure, whole rest, Third and Fourth measures, eighth rest, Ab eighth note, quarter rest. (Pick an Ab lower in the staff so that the stem goes up and Finale adds space for the flag.) Apply note spacing. In my document the space of the half note measure is 7.04167 spaces, the empty measures is 10.5 spaces, and third and fourth measures are is 10.29 spaces. Where does Finale get the the width of 10.5 spaces for the empty measure? I'd like it to be skinnier so that it more closely matches the 7-spaces-wide measure with the lone half note in it. On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 5:43 PM, Darcy James Argue djar...@earthlink.netwrote: Hi Ryan, Your maximum width is set artificially low (which you did not mention). You should make it as big as Finale will allow. This setting doesn't seem to have any bearing on Finale's default measure width for a single measure of rest. It does if your minimum width is smaller than your maximum width. That value has to be somewhere, right? You can specify how wide you want a multi-measure rest, so I think you should be able to specify how wide you want single measure rest. Minimum measure width is in fact the variable that governs what you want. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 29 Dec 2011, at 5:38 PM, Ryan wrote: That didn't work, Darcy. It created the opposite of what I want. Did you perhaps mean to tell me to change the *maximum* width? That's already set at 75 spaces. This setting doesn't seem to have any bearing on Finale's default measure width for a single measure of rest. That value has to be somewhere, right? You can specify how wide you want a multi-measure rest, so I think you should be able to specify how wide you want single measure rest. On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 5:00 PM, Darcy James Argue djar...@earthlink.netwrote: Hi Ryan, You want to make the minimum width larger, not smaller. Try making the minimum width 150 points or similar. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 29 Dec 2011, at 4:56 PM, Ryan Beard wrote: I've tried that. Even with a minimum width of 1 space the empty measures are still wider than adjacent measures with music in them. On Dec 29, 2011, at 12:35 PM, Jari Williamsson jari.williams...@mailbox.swipnet.se wrote: On 2011-12-29 00:32, Ryan wrote: How do I globally change the default width for measures with default whole rests in them? All the steps I've taken so far have not changed anything. Change the minimum width and respace. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] measure width for whole rest (empty) bars
How do I globally change the default width for measures with default whole rests in them? All the steps I've taken so far have not changed anything. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
