RE: [Finale] Hymn Lyrics

2008-11-27 Thread James Gilbert
I've done hundreds of hymns in Finale. why not use the Vertical Collision
Remover plugin? I do start with a template that has the spacing between
lyric verses as well as the spacing from the top staff to the 1st lyrics
set. But other than that, I don't bother setting the bottom lyric to bottom
staff spacing (which frequently changes from hymn to hymn) or any other
vertical spacing settings. I use the default settings of the plugin and
almost every time I get a useable document. Even when I enter lyrics on
verses 6 or 7 that are well into the bottom staff at the time of entry, the
plugin adjusts everything nicely, no messing with page layout & system
margins. In my opinion, one of the better plugins for this issue.

James Gilbert
www.jamesgilbertmusic.com

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Noel Stoutenburg
> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 8:15 AM
> To: finale@shsu.edu
> Subject: Re: [Finale] Hymn Lyrics
> 
> noel jones wrote:
> > I think I have layout and everything under control when doing hymns
> > except lyrics.
> >
> > Multiple verses end up making me manually drag staves around, and I
> > end up with a sloppy looking book of hymns.
> I've done several hundreds of hymns, and here's what I did early on. I
> found a spacing between the bottom  of the top staff and the first line
> of lyrics, a spacing between lines of lyrics, and a spacing between the
> last lyric, and the top of the bottom staff that I liked. I set up a
> template file, and with all the settings I prefer, spaced to
> accommodate
> 6 verses. When I do a hymn with more or fewer, I simply set the space
> between the bottom lyric and the top line of the bottom staff as
> needed.

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Re: [Finale] Hymn Lyrics

2008-11-26 Thread Noel Stoutenburg

noel jones wrote:
I think I have layout and everything under control when doing hymns 
except lyrics.


Multiple verses end up making me manually drag staves around, and I 
end up with a sloppy looking book of hymns. 
I've done several hundreds of hymns, and here's what I did early on. I 
found a spacing between the bottom  of the top staff and the first line 
of lyrics, a spacing between lines of lyrics, and a spacing between the 
last lyric, and the top of the bottom staff that I liked. I set up a 
template file, and with all the settings I prefer, spaced to accommodate 
6 verses. When I do a hymn with more or fewer, I simply set the space 
between the bottom lyric and the top line of the bottom staff as needed.


ns
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Re: [Finale] Hymn Lyrics

2008-11-25 Thread noel jones

Very good advice.  Many thanks, Christopher.

noel jones






There are several ways to deal with this. Dragging the systems in  
Page Layout is easy, but inaccurate.


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Re: [Finale] Hymn Lyrics

2008-11-25 Thread Christopher Smith


On Nov 25, 2008, at 6:44 PM, noel jones wrote:

I think I have layout and everything under control when doing hymns  
except lyrics.


Multiple verses end up making me manually drag staves around, and I  
end up with a sloppy looking book of hymns.


I know there must be an automatic command that will move things to  
adjust to multiple lines of lyrics.


[well, I hope there is]

Running 2008b on a 17" macbook pro, given to me free by Apple when  
my almost three year old out of warranty 12" Powerbook had to go  
back for a third time to straighten out problems.


There are several ways to deal with this. Dragging the systems in  
Page Layout is easy, but inaccurate.


What I do is this. I go to the Page Layout menu, select Systems>Edit  
Margins (these items have moved around a little bit recently). The  
window opens.


I drag the SECOND system down to make enough room for the first  
system lyrics. The setting "distance between systems" refers to the  
space ABOVE the system you are in, so System 2 shows all the current  
settings it has in the window. I then set Change System 2 through  
{leave this blank to change all from 2 to the end} and hit Apply. Now  
all the systems have the same settings as System 2.


You could also select Space Systems Evenly, but I find this item  
really dumb. If I drag the lower margin of the bottom system down a  
bit, it prevents the lowest system from hugging the bottom of the  
page too much, but JW Space Systems plugin was really the greatest  
way to do this before.


Christopher


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