Re: [Finale] Score Printing Question

[Linda Worsley]

This is very useful.  I'm glad there are some using 11x14 because that
would be my preference.  Legal length is a really bad compromise, and
very crowded, especially with full orchestra, and when adding vocal
parts, it becomes almost unusable.

Thanks to all for sharing.

Linda Worsley
Composer/Arranger




On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 5:22 AM, timothy price  wrote:
>
> On Mar 24, 2016, at 5:54 PM, Lee Actor wrote:
>
>>  tabloid
>> (11x17) is unwieldy, tends to be floppy on many music stands, and doesn't
>> fit in most briefcases.
>
>
> Thank you Lee for telling us about your preferences.
>
>
> Noticed this section of West Side Story recording session.
>
> Watch, starting at 3:40 as Bernstein takes places his score.
> Kiri Te Kanawa - The Making of West Side Story Documentary
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3SEW63LsaM
>
> He probably uses a separate case, as we use for architectural drawings and 
> the like.
>
> tim
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Re: [Finale] Score Printing Question

[timothy price]

On Mar 24, 2016, at 5:54 PM, Lee Actor wrote:

>  tabloid
> (11x17) is unwieldy, tends to be floppy on many music stands, and doesn't
> fit in most briefcases.


Thank you Lee for telling us about your preferences.


Noticed this section of West Side Story recording session.

Watch, starting at 3:40 as Bernstein takes places his score.
Kiri Te Kanawa - The Making of West Side Story Documentary

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3SEW63LsaM

He probably uses a separate case, as we use for architectural drawings and the 
like.

tim
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Re: [Finale] Score Printing Question

[Lee Actor]

I have long been a proponent of 11x14 orchestral scores, which is what I've
used in all 23 large ensemble works I've produced over the past 15 years.  I
find it to be an ideal combination of size and shape.  Legal (8.5x14) is
uncomfortably narrow, necessitating excessive page turns, and tabloid
(11x17) is unwieldy, tends to be floppy on many music stands, and doesn't
fit in most briefcases.  The only time I would consider tabloid is for
scores pushing 30 or more staves, which are most likely concert band pieces,
and the occasional large orchestral score where additional divisi staves are
unavoidable (composers, please combine wind parts to the traditional 2 per
staff unless voice crossings make it infeasible; I know it makes it harder
to extract parts, but conductors will thank you -- or at least not curse
you).

-Lee

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From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of
Linda Worsley
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 8:44 AM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: [Finale] Score Printing Question

Hi, Finale people,

I am getting some large orchestra scores ready for printing, and it
has been a long time since I outsourced this and had scores printed
and bound by an actual print shop.  This was in the 90s and
pre-digital, ad I know everything has changed.

For the past few decades I have been writing and printing scores and
parts for use in recording sessions, and both traditional legal and
letter size paper, and printing in my own studio laser printer for
that work.  When I have sent scores or parts out for others to print
(other performer grips) I have sent out pdfs of my finale files, but
they were always the usual 81/2 x 11 (or 14) format, and that was fine
for studio work, and, to some degree, for performance.  Parts look
fine in that format, but scores are better in the larger, wider
format.

Now I have recently returned to writing (and re-issuing) some larger
orchestral works, and "legal"-length paper, which is fine for legal
work, is not the best for full orchestra scores.  My old, commercially
printed scores, vary in size and shape, so I'm not sure what would be
best for these new scores.

I wold love information for those of you who are in the U.S. and have
had scores printed in a larger format.  What dimensions do you find
best for large or fairly large full orchestra?  How do you go about
getting them printed and bound.  If you have them done by a commercial
printer, I would be particularly interested in sources in the New
Yokr, L.A., or San Francisco areas.  That said, in this digital age,
these things can be done anywhere, so any information about the
successful procedures done anywhere would be much appreciated.

I suppose providing music for download and print, I will have to stick
with legal-size paper for scores, but I'd like to have the option of a
more usable, readable size and format to make physical scores.

Thanks in advance for any advice or information.

Linda Worsley
Composer/arranger
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Re: [Finale] Score Printing Question

[David Froom]

> If you have them done by a commercial
> printer, I would be particularly interested in sources in the New
> Yokr, L.A., or San Francisco areas.  That said, in this digital age,
> these things can be done anywhere, so any information about the
> successful procedures done anywhere would be much appreciated.

Hi Linda,

A lot of folks use either Subito

http://www.subitomusic.com/services/printing-production/digital-printing/

or Black Ribbon

http://blackribbonprinting.com/services/paper-options/

Either will do a very professional job, and both work can work from pdf. Both 
are music printing specialists, can handle any size paper, can do a variety of 
bindings, use excellent paper.

Subito is in Verona, NJ (near NYC). Black Ribbon is in Castle Pines, CO. But 
both will take electronic delivery of pdf, and will mail directly to the person 
to whom you want things delivered. 

My experience is that both are absolutely fine. Subito is also a publisher, and 
Black Ribbon works directly with publishers from around the world.

David Froom
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Re: [Finale] Score Printing Question

[timothy price]

For works that I intend to last, I have been using Mohawk Solutions 18" by 12"  
Soft White i-tone linen paper.
It is available from the www.thepapermillstore.com.   You will find that there 
is a large selection of papers to chose from.
It has been my experience that the best results are obtained by formatting the 
page in Finale,  on screen,  the exact size you intend to print.

Of course, you can print two-up and get scores that are 9x12 too.

Best,

tim



On Mar 24, 2016, at 11:43 AM, Linda Worsley wrote:

> Hi, Finale people,
> 
> I am getting some large orchestra scores ready for printing, and it
> has been a long time since I outsourced this and had scores printed
> and bound by an actual print shop.  This was in the 90s and
> pre-digital, ad I know everything has changed.
> 
> For the past few decades I have been writing and printing scores and
> parts for use in recording sessions, and both traditional legal and
> letter size paper, and printing in my own studio laser printer for
> that work.  When I have sent scores or parts out for others to print
> (other performer grips) I have sent out pdfs of my finale files, but
> they were always the usual 81/2 x 11 (or 14) format, and that was fine
> for studio work, and, to some degree, for performance.  Parts look
> fine in that format, but scores are better in the larger, wider
> format.
> 
> Now I have recently returned to writing (and re-issuing) some larger
> orchestral works, and "legal"-length paper, which is fine for legal
> work, is not the best for full orchestra scores.  My old, commercially
> printed scores, vary in size and shape, so I'm not sure what would be
> best for these new scores.
> 
> I wold love information for those of you who are in the U.S. and have
> had scores printed in a larger format.  What dimensions do you find
> best for large or fairly large full orchestra?  How do you go about
> getting them printed and bound.  If you have them done by a commercial
> printer, I would be particularly interested in sources in the New
> Yokr, L.A., or San Francisco areas.  That said, in this digital age,
> these things can be done anywhere, so any information about the
> successful procedures done anywhere would be much appreciated.
> 
> I suppose providing music for download and print, I will have to stick
> with legal-size paper for scores, but I'd like to have the option of a
> more usable, readable size and format to make physical scores.
> 
> Thanks in advance for any advice or information.
> 
> Linda Worsley
> Composer/arranger
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Re: [Finale] Score Printing Question

[j...@thomastudios.com]

I have to agree with Christopher on 11 x 17 tabloid.  I do print a LOT of 
orchestra scores here, and I also have the luxury of a coil binding machine, 
and it has always worked out fabulously.  So ask your questions when 
researching a print shop and be sure they have everything they need on hand 
without outsourcing from there.

I don’t know NYC, but I did live and work in LA for 21 years.  But keep in mind 
I left in 2001.  There was a great music print shop in the San Fernando Valley 
called Valle Music (sic).  Before the digital age they were the go-to place for 
score printing, binding, and overall supplies.  I know they’ve pared back from 
that with the onslaught of computers and I don’t know if they’re still around.  
They were on Riverside Dr in Studio City, just west of Laurel Canyon.

Judy Green music was another source that might still be around.  Like I said, 
this was all 15 years ago.  Good luck.  HTH.

***
J D Thomas
ThomaStudios



> On Mar 24, 2016, at 8:43 AM, Linda Worsley  wrote:
> 
> Hi, Finale people,
> 
> I am getting some large orchestra scores ready for printing, and it
> has been a long time since I outsourced this and had scores printed
> and bound by an actual print shop.  This was in the 90s and
> pre-digital, ad I know everything has changed.
> 
> For the past few decades I have been writing and printing scores and
> parts for use in recording sessions, and both traditional legal and
> letter size paper, and printing in my own studio laser printer for
> that work.  When I have sent scores or parts out for others to print
> (other performer grips) I have sent out pdfs of my finale files, but
> they were always the usual 81/2 x 11 (or 14) format, and that was fine
> for studio work, and, to some degree, for performance.  Parts look
> fine in that format, but scores are better in the larger, wider
> format.
> 
> Now I have recently returned to writing (and re-issuing) some larger
> orchestral works, and "legal"-length paper, which is fine for legal
> work, is not the best for full orchestra scores.  My old, commercially
> printed scores, vary in size and shape, so I'm not sure what would be
> best for these new scores.
> 
> I wold love information for those of you who are in the U.S. and have
> had scores printed in a larger format.  What dimensions do you find
> best for large or fairly large full orchestra?  How do you go about
> getting them printed and bound.  If you have them done by a commercial
> printer, I would be particularly interested in sources in the New
> Yokr, L.A., or San Francisco areas.  That said, in this digital age,
> these things can be done anywhere, so any information about the
> successful procedures done anywhere would be much appreciated.
> 
> I suppose providing music for download and print, I will have to stick
> with legal-size paper for scores, but I'd like to have the option of a
> more usable, readable size and format to make physical scores.
> 
> Thanks in advance for any advice or information.
> 
> Linda Worsley
> Composer/arranger
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Re: [Finale] Score Printing Question

[Christopher Smith]

11x14 is pretty standard these days. I see 10x13 as well, but I find that too 
small for a full orchestra. Sometimes for my larger studio orchestra scores 
(with more staves) I go with 11x17 (tabloid size).

You can print to tabloid and trim off the excess in one cut at the print shop 
if they don’t have the correct size. But if you find a music printer, this is 
the best, as they understand the requirements better than your neighborhood 
print shop. Or you can print to legal and have it copied onto tabloid. Legal 
size zooms up to tabloid without a terrible amount of wasted margin space, if 
you have to do that.

Christopher


> On Thu Mar 24, at ThursdayMar 24 11:43 AM, Linda Worsley  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi, Finale people,
> 
> I am getting some large orchestra scores ready for printing, and it
> has been a long time since I outsourced this and had scores printed
> and bound by an actual print shop.  This was in the 90s and
> pre-digital, ad I know everything has changed.
> 
> For the past few decades I have been writing and printing scores and
> parts for use in recording sessions, and both traditional legal and
> letter size paper, and printing in my own studio laser printer for
> that work.  When I have sent scores or parts out for others to print
> (other performer grips) I have sent out pdfs of my finale files, but
> they were always the usual 81/2 x 11 (or 14) format, and that was fine
> for studio work, and, to some degree, for performance.  Parts look
> fine in that format, but scores are better in the larger, wider
> format.
> 
> Now I have recently returned to writing (and re-issuing) some larger
> orchestral works, and "legal"-length paper, which is fine for legal
> work, is not the best for full orchestra scores.  My old, commercially
> printed scores, vary in size and shape, so I'm not sure what would be
> best for these new scores.
> 
> I wold love information for those of you who are in the U.S. and have
> had scores printed in a larger format.  What dimensions do you find
> best for large or fairly large full orchestra?  How do you go about
> getting them printed and bound.  If you have them done by a commercial
> printer, I would be particularly interested in sources in the New
> Yokr, L.A., or San Francisco areas.  That said, in this digital age,
> these things can be done anywhere, so any information about the
> successful procedures done anywhere would be much appreciated.
> 
> I suppose providing music for download and print, I will have to stick
> with legal-size paper for scores, but I'd like to have the option of a
> more usable, readable size and format to make physical scores.
> 
> Thanks in advance for any advice or information.
> 
> Linda Worsley
> Composer/arranger
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