Re: [Finale] Stems in tab
Richard, Eternal gratitude is yours. Yes, it's for beginners, so probably won't be doing much really complicated stuff. I'm sure I will have questions, tho, once I have the time to get into this again after Christmas vacation. I'm off list for a couple weeks. Thanks again, Bonnie On Tuesday, December 21, 2004, at 06:38 PM, Richard Yates wrote: Wow, that's great! this is what I'm looking for. Was this generated in Finale from the original notation, w/ auto-position of stems and circles both? Yes. The stems are postioned using the Staff Attributes - Stems Settings box. The circles are articulations defined to be centered on the note. You can apply to many notes at once in MassEdit. I wonder how well it would work with the more complicated 2 or 3-part example you showed before. Can't remember if stems will flip on tab lines... Tab stems do not flip. I think they are by layers and up or down. You might need to duplicate the articulation and change the placement settings to use with down stems - I'm not sure. and how easy to resize to accommodate a larger number, as Simon mentioned. Well, if you are doing this in the first place it is probably for beginners. Not too many double digit frets needed. If there are, just copy the articulation and make the circle bigger. Or make them all bigger to start. Geez, I would PAY you for a tutorial how to do this! No need for that. Eternal gratitude is sufficient. Glad to help. Let me know if you have any questions. The stripped down file is zipped and posted for download at: http://www.yatesguitar.com/misc/TabCircles.zip Richard ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Stems in tab
> Wow, that's great! this is what I'm looking for. > Was this generated in Finale from the original notation, w/ > auto-position of > stems and circles both? Yes. The stems are postioned using the Staff Attributes - Stems Settings box. The circles are articulations defined to be centered on the note. You can apply to many notes at once in MassEdit. >I wonder how well it would work with the more > complicated 2 or 3-part example you showed before. Can't remember if > stems will flip on tab lines... Tab stems do not flip. I think they are by layers and up or down. You might need to duplicate the articulation and change the placement settings to use with down stems - I'm not sure. > and how easy to resize to accommodate a > larger number, as Simon mentioned. Well, if you are doing this in the first place it is probably for beginners. Not too many double digit frets needed. If there are, just copy the articulation and make the circle bigger. Or make them all bigger to start. > Geez, I would PAY you for a > tutorial how to do this! No need for that. Eternal gratitude is sufficient. Glad to help. Let me know if you have any questions. The stripped down file is zipped and posted for download at: http://www.yatesguitar.com/misc/TabCircles.zip Richard ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Stems in tab
Richard, Wow, that's great! this is what I'm looking for. Was this generated in Finale from the original notation, w/ auto-position of stems and circles both? I wonder how well it would work with the more complicated 2 or 3-part example you showed before. Can't remember if stems will flip on tab lines...and how easy to resize to accommodate a larger number, as Simon mentioned. Geez, I would PAY you for a tutorial how to do this! Thanks, Bonnie On Tuesday, December 21, 2004, at 04:30 AM, Richard Yates wrote: Shape designer is what I did before. Stems sort of like that but positioned to the side of numbers, like note stems, with numbers representing notes. Thanks, there doesn't seem to be any easy way to do this. Bonnie Don't give up yet! How do these look? http://www.yatesguitar.com/misc/TabCircles.jpg The circles are articulations that auto-position. Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Stems in tab
Simon, Yeah, but is there a way to resize the numbers instead? Bonnie On Tuesday, December 21, 2004, at 02:24 AM, Simon Troup wrote: Richard Yates: Then your best bet is to make a circle as an articulation in the shape designer and define its positioning so that it automatically centers on the fret number. The big problem with tab is that you have no way of specifying the exact vertical offset of expressions. Furthermore, there is no adjustment for the size of the number, so that something centered on a number "1" can look terrible when attached to a tab number of 22. Simon Troup Digital Music Art - Finale IRC channel server: irc.chatspike.net port: 6667 channel: #Finale - ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Stems in tab
> Shape designer is what I did before. Stems sort of like that but > positioned to the side of numbers, like note stems, with numbers > representing notes. Thanks, there doesn't seem to be any easy way to > do this. Bonnie Don't give up yet! How do these look? http://www.yatesguitar.com/misc/TabCircles.jpg The circles are articulations that auto-position. Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Stems in tab
> Richard Yates: > Then your best bet is to make a circle as an articulation in the > shape designer and define its positioning so that it automatically > centers on the fret number. The big problem with tab is that you have no way of specifying the exact vertical offset of expressions. Furthermore, there is no adjustment for the size of the number, so that something centered on a number "1" can look terrible when attached to a tab number of 22. Simon Troup Digital Music Art - Finale IRC channel server: irc.chatspike.net port: 6667 channel: #Finale - ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Stems in tab
Richard, Shape designer is what I did before. Stems sort of like that but positioned to the side of numbers, like note stems, with numbers representing notes. Thanks, there doesn't seem to be any easy way to do this. Bonnie On Monday, December 20, 2004, at 06:37 PM, Richard Yates wrote: I am looking to put my circles and stems (and augmentation dots) with the fret numbers on the tab lines, which is also a pain for positioning; Then your best bet is to make a circle as an articulation in the shape designer and define its positioning so that it automatically centers on the fret number. As I wrote earlier, a special font for fret numbers will not work as some need the circle and some do not. Are you trying to do stems like this: http://www.yatesguitar.com/misc/tabsample.gif Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Stems in tab
> I am looking to put my circles and stems (and augmentation dots) with > the fret numbers on the tab lines, which is also a pain for > positioning; Then your best bet is to make a circle as an articulation in the shape designer and define its positioning so that it automatically centers on the fret number. As I wrote earlier, a special font for fret numbers will not work as some need the circle and some do not. Are you trying to do stems like this: http://www.yatesguitar.com/misc/tabsample.gif Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Stems in tab
Richard, Thanks for info on making invisible staff. I am looking to put my circles and stems (and augmentation dots) with the fret numbers on the tab lines, which is also a pain for positioning; it sounds like you are leaving the rhythm all at the top of the tab staff, as Finale (unfortunately IMHP) does automatically. Am I interpreting your explanation correctly? Your way is easier, (and I guess standard?, if there is such a thing with tab) but it's not really what I'm hoping to do. Regards, Bonnie On Monday, December 20, 2004, at 05:09 AM, Richard Yates wrote: How do you overlay a non-visible staff? Are you just working in layers? Not sure I understand the question. The HOW is easy: make a new staff, uncheck everything in Staff Attributes that you want invisible. Drag it into place. The staff overlay was primarily to solve the problem of augmentation dots. Finale tab puts them next to the finger number, not with the stem above the staff. I copied the visible staff to a new one. At each dotted note I changed the note or chord to a single note on the top tab line. This made all of the dots line up on the same horizontal. When they were the only thing visible I could position the staff so that they were in place next to the stems. Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Stems in tab
> How do you overlay a non-visible staff? Are you just working > in layers? Not sure I understand the question. The HOW is easy: make a new staff, uncheck everything in Staff Attributes that you want invisible. Drag it into place. The staff overlay was primarily to solve the problem of augmentation dots. Finale tab puts them next to the finger number, not with the stem above the staff. I copied the visible staff to a new one. At each dotted note I changed the note or chord to a single note on the top tab line. This made all of the dots line up on the same horizontal. When they were the only thing visible I could position the staff so that they were in place next to the stems. Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Stems in tab
George, Do they work on a Mac? I don't do a lot with fonts, just use whatever is handy at the moment, so not familiar with whether they cross platforms, import into Finale, or what. Thanks, Bonnie On Friday, December 17, 2004, at 05:34 AM, George Ports wrote: The font Wingdings (comes with Windows) has 1 to 10 in circles, both blackon white and white on black. CombiNumerals (numbers only, making (01) up to (99) using included half-circled numbers). Can't remember where the free download ismaybe a keyword search in Google would find them for you. They work great and can be sized real easy of course. George Ports - Original Message - From: "Bonnie Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 1:44 AM Subject: Re: [Finale] Stems in tab While we're at it with tab, does anyone know of a tab library (or font? could you do this with a font?) which includes small circles around the fret numbers for half notes and whole notes? It is a laborious process to create this in Finale, but makes tab rhythm-readable and therefore much more useful for students. I have seen this in some printed guitar music but it's fairly rare, near as I can tell. Thanks to anybody who knows a good way to do this. Bonnie Harris On Wednesday, December 15, 2004, at 07:08 AM, George Ports wrote: THAT'S IT!! Thank you so much Jari. This has been a problem with me for a long time. Sure appreciate you helping me again. George - Original Message - From: "Jari Williamsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 7:45 AM Subject: Re: [Finale] Stems in tab George Ports wrote: Does that mean each note has to be done individually? No. There isn't a setting for all stems to come close to the number on the staff line like it does for regular noteheads? Make sure "Offset from Notehead(s)" is selected. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Stems in tab
Richard, I tried something like this once without the staff overly and it worked OK using a metatool, but I had to create the circles myself because whatever I found available in Finale was the wrong size and couldn't be resized to work for my purposes. I was hoping there was an easier workaround, like a library of metatools. I did save what I did before, and possible could create a library from that, but I was hoping not to have to. How do you overlay a non-visible staff? Are you just working in layers? On Friday, December 17, 2004, at 04:21 AM, Richard Yates wrote: While we're at it with tab, does anyone know of a tab library (or font? could you do this with a font?) which includes small circles around the fret numbers for half notes and whole notes? I don't think you could do it with a font because each number sometimes needs a circle and sometimes does not. I use a second staff that overlays the visible tab staff and that shows only a small circle articulation that sits on the half note stems (of the tab staff) to distinguish halves from quarters. This staff also shows the augmentation dots by the stems. Everything else is not visible. You could do the same with circle articulations that are automatically placed around the note number of the tab staff. It sounds awkward to set up but once you have a staff to use as a template you just copy the visible tab onto the second staff and use a metatool to click the circles wherever you need them. Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Stems in tab
The font Wingdings (comes with Windows) has 1 to 10 in circles, both blackon white and white on black. CombiNumerals (numbers only, making (01) up to (99) using included half-circled numbers). Can't remember where the free download ismaybe a keyword search in Google would find them for you. They work great and can be sized real easy of course. George Ports - Original Message - From: "Bonnie Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 1:44 AM Subject: Re: [Finale] Stems in tab > While we're at it with tab, does anyone know of a tab library (or font? > could you do this with a font?) > which includes small circles around the fret numbers for half notes and > whole notes? It is a laborious process to create this in Finale, but > makes tab rhythm-readable and therefore much more useful for students. > I have seen this in some printed guitar music but it's fairly rare, > near as I can tell. Thanks to anybody who knows a good way to do this. > Bonnie Harris > > On Wednesday, December 15, 2004, at 07:08 AM, George Ports wrote: > > > THAT'S IT!! Thank you so much Jari. This has been a problem with me > > for a > > long time. Sure appreciate you helping me again. > > George > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Jari Williamsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 7:45 AM > > Subject: Re: [Finale] Stems in tab > > > > > >> George Ports wrote: > >> > >>> Does that mean each note has to be done individually? > >> > >> No. > >> > >>> There isn't a setting for all stems to come close to > >>> the number on the staff line like it does for > >>> regular noteheads? > >> > >> Make sure "Offset from Notehead(s)" is selected. > >> > >> > >> Best regards, > >> > >> Jari Williamsson > >> ___ > >> Finale mailing list > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > > > ___ > > Finale mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Stems in tab
> While we're at it with tab, does anyone know of a tab library (or font? > could you do this with a font?) > which includes small circles around the fret numbers for half notes and > whole notes? I don't think you could do it with a font because each number sometimes needs a circle and sometimes does not. I use a second staff that overlays the visible tab staff and that shows only a small circle articulation that sits on the half note stems (of the tab staff) to distinguish halves from quarters. This staff also shows the augmentation dots by the stems. Everything else is not visible. You could do the same with circle articulations that are automatically placed around the note number of the tab staff. It sounds awkward to set up but once you have a staff to use as a template you just copy the visible tab onto the second staff and use a metatool to click the circles wherever you need them. Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Stems in tab
While we're at it with tab, does anyone know of a tab library (or font? could you do this with a font?) which includes small circles around the fret numbers for half notes and whole notes? It is a laborious process to create this in Finale, but makes tab rhythm-readable and therefore much more useful for students. I have seen this in some printed guitar music but it's fairly rare, near as I can tell. Thanks to anybody who knows a good way to do this. Bonnie Harris On Wednesday, December 15, 2004, at 07:08 AM, George Ports wrote: THAT'S IT!! Thank you so much Jari. This has been a problem with me for a long time. Sure appreciate you helping me again. George - Original Message - From: "Jari Williamsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 7:45 AM Subject: Re: [Finale] Stems in tab George Ports wrote: Does that mean each note has to be done individually? No. There isn't a setting for all stems to come close to the number on the staff line like it does for regular noteheads? Make sure "Offset from Notehead(s)" is selected. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Stems in tab
George Ports wrote: Does that mean each note has to be done individually? No. There isn't a setting for all stems to come close to > the number on the staff line like it does for regular noteheads? Make sure "Offset from Notehead(s)" is selected. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Stems in tab
THAT'S IT!! Thank you so much Jari. This has been a problem with me for a long time. Sure appreciate you helping me again. George - Original Message - From: "Jari Williamsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 7:45 AM Subject: Re: [Finale] Stems in tab > George Ports wrote: > > > Does that mean each note has to be done individually? > > No. > > > There isn't a setting for all stems to come close to > > the number on the staff line like it does for > > regular noteheads? > > Make sure "Offset from Notehead(s)" is selected. > > > Best regards, > > Jari Williamsson > ___ > Finale mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Stems in tab
Does that mean each note has to be done individually? There isn't a setting for all stems to come close to the number on the staff line like it does for regular noteheads? - Original Message - From: "Jari Williamsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [Finale] Stems in tab > George Ports wrote: > > Is there a way to have the stems go all the way to the note number in > > the tab staff instead of just to the closest string? > > Select "Stem Settings..." in the Staff Attributes box. Check "Use > Vertical Offset For Notehead End of Stems" and adjust the values. > > Best regards, > > Jari Williamsson > ___ > Finale mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Stems in tab
George Ports wrote: Is there a way to have the stems go all the way to the note number in the tab staff instead of just to the closest string? Select "Stem Settings..." in the Staff Attributes box. Check "Use Vertical Offset For Notehead End of Stems" and adjust the values. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
