Re: [Finale] chord spelling
All train whistles are a chord here in North America. I JUST discovered that Canadian ones are all the same, while US trains are all different, but they are all chords. Funny the things you take for granted! What the octave separation is, or for that matter, what the voicing is at all, is not part of jazz nomenclature. Voicing is left entirely up to the performer. It wouldn't matter if the A# was voiced a tritone or an aug11 away from the E; the chord symbol would still be the same. My only worry was that when you mention an upper extension, it implies the existence of the lower chord members as well. For example, a C6 chord has an A added, while a C13 has a Bflat and an A added, at the very least. Tim seemed to understand that, probably because jazz nomenclature is much more part of American culture than other countries. I can't depend on a Canadian classical musician understanding jazz chord nomenclature, but American ones seem to take it as a point of pride, as they should! Christopher On Mon Jul 20, at MondayJul 20 4:55 PM, Giovanni Andreani wrote: > This in fact clarified the whole aspect, Christopher. Do those horns play > simultaneously or melodically? Is the A# a #4th or a #11th higher than the E > horn? I’m not going yo mention, at this point, how the trains’ horns sound > over here. > > Giovanni > > > >> On 20 Jul 2015, at 17:20, Christopher Smith >> wrote: >> >> Heh, heh, that's cool about the individual train whistles! >> >> I was doing some more thinking about the chord, and for some people, saying >> #11 necessarily implies that a 7th is present. Maybe Em(#4) would cause the >> least confusion among musicians of all stripes (which is usually my goal, >> rather than notating for a select audience). >> >> Christopher >> >> >> On Mon Jul 20, at MondayJul 20 11:11 AM, timothy price wrote: >> >>> Great. Thanks, Christopher. >>> I live on the boarder between Vermont and New Hampshire in Fairlee, VT. >>> Yes, each locomotive has its unique horn. They change over time. Wonder >>> who comes up with them. >>> >>> tim >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jul 20, 2015, at 11:04 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: >>> Wowee! Not a standard chord, but yes, Virginia, we CAN come up with a name for it. Em(#11) would do it. Where do you live? All the trains around me sound the same. Christopher On Mon Jul 20, at MondayJul 20 11:00 AM, timothy price wrote: > Asking for some help as I am not very familiar with this: > > I live about a mile from a rail line. Each engine has its own particular > horn sound... some major, some 7th, some minor, diminished, etc.. > But one in particular intrigues me: would describe it as being a G > signature, but one of the E minors. The notes are E, G, A#, and B. > How would you notate and describe this chord? > > thanks, > > tim > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Finale mailing list >>> Finale@shsu.edu >>> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >>> >>> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: >>> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu >> >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> >> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: >> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] chord spelling
This in fact clarified the whole aspect, Christopher. Do those horns play simultaneously or melodically? Is the A# a #4th or a #11th higher than the E horn? I’m not going yo mention, at this point, how the trains’ horns sound over here. Giovanni > On 20 Jul 2015, at 17:20, Christopher Smith > wrote: > > Heh, heh, that's cool about the individual train whistles! > > I was doing some more thinking about the chord, and for some people, saying > #11 necessarily implies that a 7th is present. Maybe Em(#4) would cause the > least confusion among musicians of all stripes (which is usually my goal, > rather than notating for a select audience). > > Christopher > > > On Mon Jul 20, at MondayJul 20 11:11 AM, timothy price wrote: > >> Great. Thanks, Christopher. >> I live on the boarder between Vermont and New Hampshire in Fairlee, VT. >> Yes, each locomotive has its unique horn. They change over time. Wonder who >> comes up with them. >> >> tim >> >> >> >> On Jul 20, 2015, at 11:04 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: >> >>> Wowee! Not a standard chord, but yes, Virginia, we CAN come up with a name >>> for it. Em(#11) would do it. >>> >>> Where do you live? All the trains around me sound the same. >>> >>> Christopher >>> >>> >>> On Mon Jul 20, at MondayJul 20 11:00 AM, timothy price wrote: >>> Asking for some help as I am not very familiar with this: I live about a mile from a rail line. Each engine has its own particular horn sound... some major, some 7th, some minor, diminished, etc.. But one in particular intrigues me: would describe it as being a G signature, but one of the E minors. The notes are E, G, A#, and B. How would you notate and describe this chord? thanks, tim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu >>> >>> ___ >>> Finale mailing list >>> Finale@shsu.edu >>> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >>> >>> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: >>> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu >> >> >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> >> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: >> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] chord spelling
Christopher, your #4 was what I was thinking would be most accurately reproduced. thanks again, tim On Jul 20, 2015, at 11:20 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: > I was doing some more thinking about the chord, and for some people, saying > #11 necessarily implies that a 7th is present. Maybe Em(#4) would cause the > least confusion among musicians of all stripes (which is usually my goal, > rather than notating for a select audience). > > Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] chord spelling
E minor with a fake blue note :-) You might also consider it an inverted upper part of a chord (B—E—G—A#), enharmonically spelled, as in C#7(#9,#11,13), no root, third or fifth: >From botton to top: [C#-E#] B—E—G—A# Harold On 20/07/2015, at 12:00, timothy price wrote: > Asking for some help as I am not very familiar with this: > > I live about a mile from a rail line. Each engine has its own particular horn > sound... some major, some 7th, some minor, diminished, etc.. > But one in particular intrigues me: would describe it as being a G > signature, but one of the E minors. The notes are E, G, A#, and B. > How would you notate and describe this chord? > > thanks, > > tim > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] chord spelling
Heh, heh, that's cool about the individual train whistles! I was doing some more thinking about the chord, and for some people, saying #11 necessarily implies that a 7th is present. Maybe Em(#4) would cause the least confusion among musicians of all stripes (which is usually my goal, rather than notating for a select audience). Christopher On Mon Jul 20, at MondayJul 20 11:11 AM, timothy price wrote: > Great. Thanks, Christopher. > I live on the boarder between Vermont and New Hampshire in Fairlee, VT. > Yes, each locomotive has its unique horn. They change over time. Wonder who > comes up with them. > > tim > > > > On Jul 20, 2015, at 11:04 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: > >> Wowee! Not a standard chord, but yes, Virginia, we CAN come up with a name >> for it. Em(#11) would do it. >> >> Where do you live? All the trains around me sound the same. >> >> Christopher >> >> >> On Mon Jul 20, at MondayJul 20 11:00 AM, timothy price wrote: >> >>> Asking for some help as I am not very familiar with this: >>> >>> I live about a mile from a rail line. Each engine has its own particular >>> horn sound... some major, some 7th, some minor, diminished, etc.. >>> But one in particular intrigues me: would describe it as being a G >>> signature, but one of the E minors. The notes are E, G, A#, and B. >>> How would you notate and describe this chord? >>> >>> thanks, >>> >>> tim >>> ___ >>> Finale mailing list >>> Finale@shsu.edu >>> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >>> >>> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: >>> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu >> >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> >> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: >> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] chord spelling
Great. Thanks, Christopher. I live on the boarder between Vermont and New Hampshire in Fairlee, VT. Yes, each locomotive has its unique horn. They change over time. Wonder who comes up with them. tim On Jul 20, 2015, at 11:04 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: > Wowee! Not a standard chord, but yes, Virginia, we CAN come up with a name > for it. Em(#11) would do it. > > Where do you live? All the trains around me sound the same. > > Christopher > > > On Mon Jul 20, at MondayJul 20 11:00 AM, timothy price wrote: > >> Asking for some help as I am not very familiar with this: >> >> I live about a mile from a rail line. Each engine has its own particular >> horn sound... some major, some 7th, some minor, diminished, etc.. >> But one in particular intrigues me: would describe it as being a G >> signature, but one of the E minors. The notes are E, G, A#, and B. >> How would you notate and describe this chord? >> >> thanks, >> >> tim >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> >> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: >> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] chord spelling
On Mon, July 20, 2015 11:04 am, Christopher Smith wrote: > Wowee! Not a standard chord, but yes, Virginia, we CAN come up with a name for > it. Em(#11) would do it. I wonder if it's a combined Doppler echo. I don't know any trains with this pattern (and I'm probably on the same line as Timothy). I've been recording train horns for years and don't recall this one! > Where do you live? All the trains around me sound the same. You're in Canada, right? I think the horns were standardized a long time ago. In the US, the manufacturers pride themselves on making the horns of each engine (not just each model) unique. D ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] chord spelling
Wowee! Not a standard chord, but yes, Virginia, we CAN come up with a name for it. Em(#11) would do it. Where do you live? All the trains around me sound the same. Christopher On Mon Jul 20, at MondayJul 20 11:00 AM, timothy price wrote: > Asking for some help as I am not very familiar with this: > > I live about a mile from a rail line. Each engine has its own particular horn > sound... some major, some 7th, some minor, diminished, etc.. > But one in particular intrigues me: would describe it as being a G > signature, but one of the E minors. The notes are E, G, A#, and B. > How would you notate and describe this chord? > > thanks, > > tim > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] CHORD spelling
At 3:59 PM -0800 1/25/12, Kim Richmond wrote: >I'm trying to respell some of my chord symbols. >Even though the key signature is five sharps, I >want to chords such as Ebmin7, Ab7 etc. How can >I accomplish that? >All the best, >KIM R Chord symbols are entirely independent of key signatures, so there should be not problem. unless I don't understand your question. John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music School of Performing Arts & Cinema College of Liberal Arts & Human Sciences 290 College Ave., Blacksburg, Virginia 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html "Machen Sie es, wie Sie wollen, machen Sie es nur schön." (Do it as you like, just make it beautiful!) --Johannes Brahms ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] CHORD spelling
Hi Kim, I think you need to turn off Simplify Spelling in the Chord menu, then it should allow enharmonic spelling. Chuck On Jan 25, 2012, at 3:59 PM, Kim Richmond wrote: > I'm trying to respell some of my chord symbols. Even though the key signature > is five sharps, I want to chords such as Ebmin7, Ab7 etc. How can I > accomplish that? > All the best, > KIM R > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 1310 NW Naito Parkway #807 Portland, OR 97209-316 land line: (971) 255-1167 cell phone: (360) 201-3434 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
