[Fink-devel] readline ready for stable?

2002-03-17 Thread Max Horn

For me, the new readline-shlibs has worked quite fine for some time 
now. Can others confirm this? If yes, it should be moved ASAP to 
stable since other packages are pending simple because they now 
depend on readline-shlibs...



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Re: [Fink-devel] readline ready for stable?

2002-03-17 Thread Matt Stephenson

Do agree, and is working fine for me.

Matt

On Monday, March 18, 2002, at 12:39 AM, Max Horn wrote:

 For me, the new readline-shlibs has worked quite fine for some time 
 now. Can others confirm this? If yes, it should be moved ASAP to stable 
 since other packages are pending simple because they now depend on 
 readline-shlibs...


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[Fink-devel] shlibs

2002-03-17 Thread David R. Morrison

If I understand correctly what the dpkg shlibs stuff will eventually do
for us, at some point in the future each fink package which provides
shared libraries will need to give some data about those libraries to
be used by the dpkg-shlibs system.

Max, will we put this directly in the .info file, do you think?  Something
like

Shlibs: 
  zlib 1 zlib (= 1.1.4)


(to use the example from the Debian policy manual
  http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-sharedlibs.html )

Or maybe it goes in a separate file?

The reason for bringing this up now is it would be good to start encouraging
people to provide this information in their packages, pretty soon.  To
avoid fink validate problems, we might want to add one more field (Shlibs)
to the list of known fields right now, before the package manager release.

  -- Dave

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Re: [Fink-devel] readline ready for stable?

2002-03-17 Thread Steven Burr

If the functionality of command history in python-2.2-8 is any 
indication, readline-shlibs works very well indeed.

On Sunday, March 17, 2002, at 07:21 AM, David R. Morrison wrote:

 readline-shlibs works well for me also.  I think it is ready to move.

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Re: [Fink-devel] shlibs

2002-03-17 Thread Max Horn

At 10:47 Uhr -0500 17.03.2002, David R. Morrison wrote:
If I understand correctly what the dpkg shlibs stuff will eventually do
for us, at some point in the future each fink package which provides
shared libraries will need to give some data about those libraries to
be used by the dpkg-shlibs system.

Max, will we put this directly in the .info file, do you think?

Yes

   Something
like

Shlibs: 
   zlib 1 zlib (= 1.1.4)


More like
Shlibs: 
  libz 1 zlib (= 1.1.3)


Though I don't like that to much... this is really something where 
XML would be handy.



(to use the example from the Debian policy manual
   http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-sharedlibs.html )

Or maybe it goes in a separate file?

No, why would we put it into a seperate file? One main strength of 
Fink is that everything for a package is in a single .info file (OK, 
in some cases, there's an additional .patch file).


The reason for bringing this up now is it would be good to start encouraging
people to provide this information in their packages, pretty soon.  To
avoid fink validate problems, we might want to add one more field (Shlibs)
to the list of known fields right now, before the package manager release.

I disagree. It's completly useless to do so now, since we first have 
to research how exactly it would be done. I.e. we'd end up with a 
bunch of package using some format we think now is good, only to 
discover they all have to be redone then. I.e. I don't see benefits 
from doing this now. We have enough other things to do first which 
are more urgent.



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[Fink-devel] db3 / db4

2002-03-17 Thread Max Horn

OK, I just moved readline to stable, and also neon.

Now, what about db3 / db4 ? Can we move those? I had no problem 
reports on them for a long time.



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[Fink-devel] Planning this mail - comment please

2002-03-17 Thread Max Horn

I plan to send out the following mail to fink-beginners, fink-user, 
and fink-announce. Please tell me what you think of it, if should 
forget the idea, or change something about it; you may also want to 
suggest changes to the list of important package I gave (I tried to 
keep it short, but obviously, everybody will have a different opinion 
on what is important).





Dear Fink user,


we, the Fink team, would like to make a new full Fink release in the 
near future. For this, we'd like to move as many package to stable as 
possible. But to be able to do so, we need *your* help! Under 
http://fink.sourceforge.net/pdb/testing.php, you can find a long list 
of packages which are in unstable, but not yet in stable. And it's a 
long list (over 550 packages).


Please, look through this list. If you see packages you are using 
succesfully, please report it to the package maintainer, so that he 
can decide to move that package to stable. You can find out the email 
address of the maintainer by clicking on the link for each package; 
or alternatively, you can enter fink info PACKAGE to see the 
maintainer of any given package.

Some package that would especially important to see in stable (so 
look for those first):

  apache
  bash
  db3 / db3-bin / db3-doc / db3-shlibs
  db4 / db4-bin / db4-doc / db4-shlibs
  freetype2 / freetype2-shlibs
  gimp
  glib / glib-shlibs
  all gnome packages
  mysql
  orbit
  xfree86-base 4.2.0-4 and xfree86-rootless 4.2.0-2

But don't limit yourself to these, *any* package is important! Just 
remember, Fink is a group effort. We can't do without your help!


Thank you for helping,

Max Horn
Fink Lead Developer

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Re: [Fink-devel] Planning this mail - comment please

2002-03-17 Thread Justin Hallett

looks good to me, thought qt and bind9 should be added to the list IMHO. 
But I think it's a good email to send like once week :P

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I plan to send out the following mail to fink-beginners, fink-user, 
and fink-announce. Please tell me what you think of it, if should 
forget the idea, or change something about it; you may also want to 
suggest changes to the list of important package I gave (I tried to 
keep it short, but obviously, everybody will have a different opinion 
on what is important).

¸.·´^`·.,][JFH][`·.,¸¸.·´][JFH][¸.·´^`·.,
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  Phone: (780)-408-3094
Fax: (780)-454-3200
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Re: [Fink-devel] shlibs

2002-03-17 Thread David R. Morrison

Max Horn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The reason for bringing this up now is it would be good to start encouraging
 people to provide this information in their packages, pretty soon.  To
 avoid fink validate problems, we might want to add one more field (Shlibs)
 to the list of known fields right now, before the package manager release.
 
 I disagree. It's completly useless to do so now, since we first have 
 to research how exactly it would be done. I.e. we'd end up with a 
 bunch of package using some format we think now is good, only to 
 discover they all have to be redone then. I.e. I don't see benefits 
 from doing this now. We have enough other things to do first which 
 are more urgent.
 

I didn't express myself very well.

Someday, later, we will want to introduce Shlibs and start to use it.
If we are sure that this will be the name of the field, it would be nice
to have fink validate not object to it.  (Causes less confusion when we
actually start to use it.)  We don't make point releases of the fink
package manager very often, so I thought it would be good to include this
field now for future use (like we did with the BuildDependsOnly field).

  -- Dave

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Re: [Fink-devel] Planning this mail - comment please

2002-03-17 Thread Matt Stephenson

Excellent idea, I'd include aalib and libmpeg as the gimp needs these 
and samba as well.

Matt

On Monday, March 18, 2002, at 05:19 AM, Max Horn wrote:

 I plan to send out the following mail to fink-beginners, fink-user, and 
 fink-announce. Please tell me what you think of it, if should forget 
 the idea, or change something about it; you may also want to suggest 
 changes to the list of important package I gave (I tried to keep it 
 short, but obviously, everybody will have a different opinion on what 
 is important).



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Re: [Fink-devel] Planning this mail - comment please

2002-03-17 Thread David R. Morrison

My point of view about the dependent packages is this:  if a user tells us
that he/she is successfully using the latest version of package foo, then
we know that he/she is also successfully using at least some version of
everything that foo depends on (even if the user doesn't point that out
explicitly).  This amplifies the feedback somewhat!

  -- Dave


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Re: [Fink-devel] shlibs

2002-03-17 Thread Justin Hallett

I fully agree with this, it hurts on one to have them but helps us
developpers in the mean time.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Someday, later, we will want to introduce Shlibs and start to use it.
If we are sure that this will be the name of the field, it would be nice
to have fink validate not object to it.  (Causes less confusion when we
actually start to use it.)  We don't make point releases of the fink
package manager very often, so I thought it would be good to include this
field now for future use (like we did with the BuildDependsOnly field).

¸.·´^`·.,][JFH][`·.,¸¸.·´][JFH][¸.·´^`·.,
  Justin F. Hallett - Systems Analyst   
  Phone: (780)-408-3094
Fax: (780)-454-3200
E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[Fink-devel] Localizations required, once more

2002-03-17 Thread Max Horn

I changed some UI stuff in the GroupcChat preference dialog, the 
french localization needs to be updated for that.

Also, it seems that GroupChat hasn't yet been localized to Spanish - 
Cesar, can you do that, would be nice to have it for the near release.


Cheers,

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[Fink-devel] feedback on unstable packages

2002-03-17 Thread Aaron Seitz

Dear Fink Developers,

I noticed that you were about to solicit feedback regarding unstable
packages so I decided to take a risk and enable the unstable directory via
/sw/etc/fink.conf and then upgrade all my packages (using source update as
of today). I am not entirely sure which of these are stable and which are
unstable, but here is the list of what I now have. All these packages appear
to be working fine.

(By the way it is hard to send messages about individual packages directly
to the package maintainers when there are no e-mail addresses provided for
them.)

Thanks for provided such a great product,

-Aaron Seitz

Here is my list of packages:

 i  aalib   1.4rc4-4Ascii art library
 i  aalib-bin   1.4rc4-3Ascii art library
 i  aalib-shlibs1.4rc4-3Ascii art library
 i  apt 0.5.4-1 Advanced front-end for dpkg
 i  audiofile   0.2.3-3 Audio File Library
 i  audiofile-shlib 0.2.3-3 Audio File Library
 i  base-files  1.5-1   Directory infrastructure
 i  bzip2   1.0.1-4 Block-sorting file compressor
 i  daemonic20010902-1  Interface to daemon init scripts
 i  darwin  5.3-1   [virtual package representing the kernel]
 i  debianutils 1.15-4  Misc. utilities specific to Debian (and
Fink)
 i  dlcompat20020120-1  Dynamic loading compatibility library
 i  dpkg1.9.17-2The Debian package manager
 i  emacs   20.7-5  Extremely flexible real-time display editor
 i  esound  0.2.23-3Enlightened Sound Daemon
 i  esound-bin  0.2.23-2Enlightened Sound Daemon
 i  esound-data 0.2.23-2Enlightened Sound Daemon
 i  esound-shlibs   0.2.23-2Enlightened Sound Daemon
 i  fink0.9.8-1 The Fink package manager
 i  gettext 0.10.40-2   Message localization support
 i  ghostscript 7.02-2  Interpreter for the PostScript language
and...
 i  ghostscript-fon 6.0-3   Standard fonts for Ghostscript
 i  gimp1.2.3-3 The GNU Image Manipulation Program
 i  glib1.2.10-4Common C routines used by Gtk+ and other
libs
 i  glib-shlibs 1.2.10-4Common C routines used by Gtk+ and other
libs
 i  gnome-libs  1.4.1.4-2   Base libraries for GNOME
 i  gtk+1.2.10-5The Gimp Toolkit
 i  gv  3.5.8-3 X11 interface for ghostscript interpreter.
 i  gzip1.2.4a-5File compressor for gz file types
 i  icewm   1.0.9-1 Window manager with Windows, OS/2 and
Motif...
 i  imlib   1.9.10-4General image handling library for X11 and
Gtk
 i  ispell  3.2.06-2Interactive spell-checker
 i  latex2html  2K.1beta-8  Converts LaTeX documents to HTML
 i  libiconv1.7-3   Character set conversion library
 i  libjpeg 6b-4JPEG image format handling library
 i  libjpeg-bin 6b-3JPEG image format handling library
 i  libjpeg-shlibs  6b-3JPEG image format handling library
 i  libmpeg 1.3.1-2 Gimp MPEG library
 i  libmpeg-shlibs  1.3.1-2 Gimp MPEG library
 i  libpng  1.0.12-5PNG image format handling library
 i  libpng-shlibs   1.0.12-5PNG image format handling library
 i  libtiff 3.5.7-6 TIFF image format library and tools
 i  libtiff-bin 3.5.7-5 TIFF image format library and tools
 i  libtiff-shlibs  3.5.7-5 TIFF image format library and tools
 i  libungif4.1.0b1-2   GIF image format handling library,
LZW-free...
 i  libxml2 2.4.13-1XML parsing library, version 2
 i  lyx 1.1.6fix4-1 High level wordprocessor utilizing the
LaTe...
 i  macosx  10.1.3-1[virtual package representing the system]
 i  ncurses 5.2-6   Full-screen ascii drawing library
 i  netpbm  9.24-3  Graphics manipulation programs and libraries
 i  netpbm-bin  9.24-2  Graphics manipulation programs and libraries
 i  netpbm-shlibs   9.24-2  Graphics manipulation programs and libraries
 i  openssh 3.1p1-1 Secure shell (remote login) client and
server
 i  openssl 0.9.6c-1Secure Sockets Layer and general crypto
lib...
 i  orbit   0.5.13-3The CORBA ORB used in GNOME
 i  orbit-bin   0.5.13-2The CORBA ORB used in GNOME
 i  orbit-shlibs0.5.13-2The CORBA ORB used in GNOME
 i  passwd  20020307-1  User and group entries for daemons
 i  readline4.2a-4  Comfortable terminal input library
 i  readline-shlibs 4.2a-4  Comfortable terminal input library
 i  rxvt2.7.8-1 rxvt (ouR XVT) - a VT102 emulator for the
X...
 i  system-tetex20010808-5  Placeholder package for teTeX
 i  tar 1.13.19-1   GNU tape archiver
 i  tightvnc1.2.2-1 Enhanced version of VNC.
 i  type1inst   0.6.1-3 Type 1 PostScript font installation utility
 i  xaw3d   1.5-3   Athena widget set with 3D look
 i  xdvi22.54-1 

Re: [Fink-devel] feedback on unstable packages

2002-03-17 Thread Matt Stephenson

Thanks for the feedback, to get the email address for the maintainer of 
a particular package just type 'fink info packagename' :)

Matt

On Monday, March 18, 2002, at 01:23 PM, Aaron Seitz wrote:

 (By the way it is hard to send messages about individual packages 
 directly
 to the package maintainers when there are no e-mail addresses provided 
 for
 them.)



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