Re: [Fink-devel] How about web.fink.org?
project.fink.org has a nice ring to it :) On Fri, 10 Jan 2003, Jim White wrote: > I got in touch with my friend Andeas Fink, long time owner of the > fink.org domain. He is an even longer time Mac user and is willing to > provide DNS for a host in the fink.org domain with we like (except www > of course!). > > Some suggestions: > > web.fink.org > home.fink.org > project.fink.org > sw.fink.org > > I like sw.fink.org because it is the shortest and has a certain > resonance because Fink installs software in /sw by default. > > But perhaps web.fink.org is the most sensible. > > Jim > > > > --- > This SF.NET email is sponsored by: > SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! > http://www.vasoftware.com > ___ > Fink-devel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel > --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] perl 5.8 thoughts and testing
Here are a few relevant posts: http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg87083.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg06039.html and, someone who implemented this, more or less... http://maikimo.net/radio/stories/2002/11/23/buildingperl580modperlapac.html We also need to look at the "standard" instructions for roll-your-own perl 5.8, which got posted on the Apple site at some point (just to be prepared for what a bunch of users will have done). -- Dave --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] perl 5.8 thoughts and testing
FYI, David Morrison and I talked about this some more in #fink, and there is more to think about. 1) is trying to find a way to transition (perhaps /sw/lib/perl/5.6 and /sw/lib/perl/5.8 ?), and 2) is making things clean bootstrap-wise. There was post from Fred Sanchez with some ideas on doing this also. I don't remember the post, but David was looking for it. If you remember where it's at, or Fred, if you still have it, it would be good to look over as well. I hadn't realized you had already come up with some ideas on how to handle this when I started looking into it... If there's a good way to transition this, it would be good to do. There's a lot of bugs in 5.6.0, it would be nice to get off of it. :P --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
[Fink-devel] How about web.fink.org?
I got in touch with my friend Andeas Fink, long time owner of the fink.org domain. He is an even longer time Mac user and is willing to provide DNS for a host in the fink.org domain with we like (except www of course!). Some suggestions: web.fink.org home.fink.org project.fink.org sw.fink.org I like sw.fink.org because it is the shortest and has a certain resonance because Fink installs software in /sw by default. But perhaps web.fink.org is the most sensible. Jim --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
[Fink-devel] perl 5.8 thoughts and testing
So the subject of perl 5.8 came up again on #fink, and I started taking
a look at what we had. Chris Dolan put together a great package for
perl 5.8, but it has one problem -- it still puts everything in
/sw/lib/perl5 just like our 5.6 packages. The problem is perl 5.6
modules are not binary-compatible with perl 5.8, and having it put
things in the same place makes it very difficult to determine what
needs to be upgraded and what doesn't.
The solution I came up with was to make the new perl install to
/sw/lib/perl directory instead. On top of that, I've changed things
around so that we are using another handy feature of recent perl
versions -- a "vendor" tree, that allows us to make a separate
directory for fink-installed packages (as compared to packages that joe
blow installs on the command-line with CPAN). This will make
diagnosing problems easier in the long-run, because packages that are
installed by end-users on their own will be compartmentalized away from
supported, official fink perl modules. We could even have fink warn if
there's any files in site_lib at all.
So what we end up with is:
- old perl modules:
/sw/lib/perl5
- official stuff that comes with perl:
/sw/lib/perl/5.8(/darwin)?
- stuff that's installed by users in the fink tree (bad!)
/sw/lib/perl/5.8/site_perl(/darwin)?
- stuff that's installed by fink packages:
/sw/lib/perl/5.8/vendor_perl(/darwin)?
I've made a preliminary patch to fink that looks for /sw/lib/perl and
/sw/bin/perl. If they exist, they use the perl -V:vendor* variables to
determine where perl modules should go (in case future fink perls move
things around a bit).
The lib/perl/5.8 lets us separate things out for future binary
incompatibilities, as well.
As far as an upgrade path, the biggest issue is determining how to make
sure that things get upgraded as soon as perl is upgraded.
The actual upgrade process should be easy, we would do something like:
find /sw/lib/perl5 -type f | xargs dpkg -S | awk -F: '{ print $1 }' |
sort | uniq
...and take the output of that as the list of things that need
rebuilding.
Oh, I guess add "| grep -v fink" to that.
One of the biggest issues to handle will be packages that have to do
their own thing in info files. There are a number of perl modules that
do "perl Makefile.PL blah blah" rather than use "Type: perl", which
will obviously have the wrong path and will be unavailable to perl 5.8
(since 5.8 is now configured to *not* look in /sw/lib/perl5 to avoid
conflicts).
So in short, it appears the technical part is going to be easier than
it looked at first, but the upgrade path is going to be difficult to
coordinate. Perhaps it would be best to do something like this:
The perl package has a pre-install script that checks /sw/lib/perl5 to
see if there's anything left. If there is, it bombs, and points you at
a "upgrade-perl-modules.sh" script that will do everything at once.
Once it's been done, future perl package releases would work just fine.
Does that make sense?
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Re: [Fink-devel] PHP maintainer
On Friday, January 10, 2003, at 02:28 PM, Gen Kiyooka wrote: Hi, I'm interested in possibly maintaining PHP for fink. I need to know what's expected of the maintainer. Or is it just a best-efforts kind of thang. Someone on IRC keeps saying they will update our php package, but they still haven't. As far as i'm concerned, first to submit a new php package to the submission tracker gets it. :) (the old 10.1 info file can be found at http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/fink/packages/dists/ unstable/main/finkinfo/web/ ) best-efforts is fine, just respond to feedback and such, hopefully update it when new revisions come out and such... -Ben --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] domain, need reply from key team at very least
David R. Morrison wrote: On Jan 10,2003 12:19:30 -0600, Kris Foster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote : http://www.fink.org/ seems to be the property of a Mr. A. Fink. Kris It's kind of cool, actually... He has done Mac OS 9 development, and he has a link to our project at the bottom of his page. Yeah Andreas is a very cool guy. We're long time friends since the days when I was a devloper at Spider Island Software and he was an uber sysop running a commerical TeleFinder BBS (developed for Mac and the first graphical BBS s/w, when Steve Case needed to describe AOL without a demo, he'ld say "Have you seen TeleFinder? It's like that.") which morphed into an ISP. As cool as he is, I don't think he'ld give over the www.fink.org host, but I'll ask him if he'ld provide DNS for project.fink.org (or sw.fink.org or whatever). Jim --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] Can I modify outside /sw?
On Friday, January 10, 2003, at 08:17 pm, Max Horn wrote: Last i checked, it managed a load of startupitem bundles in /Library/StartupItems (can you say, ick?). I can say it, but I don't know why you would say it, how about elaborating? Mixing daemonic-managed startup items with non-daemonic managed startup items in a directory people are aware of and don't normally associate with Fink doesn't strike me as a particularly elegant solution... In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if lots of people are confused by the presence of daemonic-blah in their StartupItems. -- Finlay --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] domain, need reply from key team at very least
Justin Hallett wrote: I suggested hq because I found xinehq.de and mplayerhq.de, so I thought it was a de thing :) And there's winehq.com + winehq.org too. I think finkhq.* is not a bad choice and doesn't suffer the problem of compound word names where when you say it you also have to clarify what if any punctuation is used (finkproject.* vs fink-project.com). Jim --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] domain, need reply from key team at very least
On Friday, January 10, 2003, at 10:36 AM, Justin Hallett wrote: what about finkhq both de and com are avail... finkhq.de was my first though since both Chris and Max are from de it seems only right to honor them and there country. or finkhq.com it we want to be in the .com I think .org is avail to, I talked to rand on irc and he is willing to host it It doesn't need hosting for webspace; all you have to do is CNAME it to sourceforge.net and set up the VHOST stuff in the admin panel for Fink on Sourceforge. I can probably host the mail server, but I'd have to check. and I'm willing to pay reg for the .org or .com please let me know what you guys think ASAP, I think the core devel team getting @finkhq.(com|org|de) address would be a good asset. -=[JFH] Justin F. Hallett -=[JFH] Rendek Communications Inc. -=[JFH] [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
[Fink-devel] PHP maintainer
Hi, I'm interested in possibly maintaining PHP for fink. I need to know what's expected of the maintainer. Or is it just a best-efforts kind of thang. Gen Kiyooka --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] Can I modify outside /sw?
On Friday, January 10, 2003, at 01:01 PM, Jason Deraleau wrote: Now, if we could just figure out why Apple didn't remove the inetd line from /System/Library/IPServices/IPServices... Because, as i said, inetd is OBSOLETE. xinetd is its replacement. -Ben --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] Can I modify outside /sw?
tha tis it, looks very familiar :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >Now, if we could just figure out why Apple didn't remove the inetd line >from /System/Library/IPServices/IPServices... -=[JFH] Justin F. Hallett -=[JFH] Rendek Communications Inc. -=[JFH] [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] Can I modify outside /sw?
as max noted I'm working on adding xinetd support to daemonic. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >I'm curious, perhaps Fink could standardize a location in the /sw/etc >directory, perhaps /sw/etc/xinetd.d and then just add a line to >/etc/xinetd.conf that says IncludeDir /sw/etc/xinetd.d? This would >allow package maintainers to easily add configuration files for xinetd, >yet keep it fairly separate from the rest of the filesystem. The only >modification to distribution files would be in /etc/xinetd.conf, which >I don't expect Apple to modify directly (they would instead modify the >individual service configuration files in /etc/xinetd.d). Thoughts? -=[JFH] Justin F. Hallett -=[JFH] Rendek Communications Inc. -=[JFH] [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] Can I modify outside /sw?
or create a startup item for xinetd, it seems to me I remember having to do this to test proftpd with xinetd. -=[JFH] Justin F. Hallett xinetd is started by /System/Library/StartupItems/IPServices/IPServices. As long as it has an active service it will load at boot. inetd loads as well, but I can't figure out why since it doesn't appear to be being used by the OS at all (good, xinetd is so much better). Either the maintainer could stick a file in /etc/xinetd.d/ for the service or figure out how to daemonize the service and run it with a startup bundle in /Library/StartupItems. I'm curious, perhaps Fink could standardize a location in the /sw/etc directory, perhaps /sw/etc/xinetd.d and then just add a line to /etc/xinetd.conf that says IncludeDir /sw/etc/xinetd.d? This would allow package maintainers to easily add configuration files for xinetd, yet keep it fairly separate from the rest of the filesystem. The only modification to distribution files would be in /etc/xinetd.conf, which I don't expect Apple to modify directly (they would instead modify the individual service configuration files in /etc/xinetd.d). Thoughts? -- Jason Deraleau --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] Can I modify outside /sw?
On my machine, inetd is running rather thatn xinetd. So are you sure that this would actually work? Because you have no services for it. It checks at boot time. (see your console.log) inetd is obsolete, xinetd comes with Jaguar and is preferred (though startup items are more preferred) The maintainer of xinetd happens to be Rob Braun, so you can bring your xinetd questions to #opendarwin. :) -Ben Now, if we could just figure out why Apple didn't remove the inetd line from /System/Library/IPServices/IPServices... :) -- JD --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] Can I modify outside /sw?
or create a startup item for xinetd, it seems to me I remember having to do this to test proftpd with xinetd. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >What do you mean by "startup items are more preferred"? Should I >somehow create a startup item for hotway instead of using xinetd and if >so, how would I do that? It would need to be a daemon running all the >time then, yeah? The instructions from the creators of hotway use the >inetd/xinetd method so I'm at a loss. -=[JFH] Justin F. Hallett -=[JFH] Rendek Communications Inc. -=[JFH] [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] Can I modify outside /sw?
What do you mean by "startup items are more preferred"? Should I somehow create a startup item for hotway instead of using xinetd and if so, how would I do that? It would need to be a daemon running all the time then, yeah? The instructions from the creators of hotway use the inetd/xinetd method so I'm at a loss. Of course, your statement could be completely unrelated and I'm just confusing myself. -Jared On Friday, January 10, 2003, at 02:31 PM, Ben Hines wrote: On Friday, January 10, 2003, at 06:59 AM, David R. Morrison wrote: On my machine, inetd is running rather thatn xinetd. So are you sure that this would actually work? Because you have no services for it. It checks at boot time. (see your console.log) inetd is obsolete, xinetd comes with Jaguar and is preferred (though startup items are more preferred) The maintainer of xinetd happens to be Rob Braun, so you can bring your xinetd questions to #opendarwin. :) -Ben --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] Package DB broken?
This was just asked last week, and i answered. If one more person asks i'm adding it to the faq. -Ben On Friday, January 10, 2003, at 06:53 AM, Christian Schaffner wrote: http://fink.sourceforge.net/pdb/index.php currently shows The database was last updated at 08:37 GMT on Friday, January 10 and currently lists 24 packages in 22 sections. Why only 24? What's happening there? --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] Can I modify outside /sw?
On Friday, January 10, 2003, at 06:59 AM, David R. Morrison wrote: On my machine, inetd is running rather thatn xinetd. So are you sure that this would actually work? Because you have no services for it. It checks at boot time. (see your console.log) inetd is obsolete, xinetd comes with Jaguar and is preferred (though startup items are more preferred) The maintainer of xinetd happens to be Rob Braun, so you can bring your xinetd questions to #opendarwin. :) -Ben --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] domain, need reply from key team at very least
I suggested hq because I found xinehq.de and mplayerhq.de, so I thought it was a de thing :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >finkhq seems to be something very US centric. I guess HQ stands for >"head quarter" ? In any case, not many people from here would >associate it with that immediatly. And it wouldn't be particulary >easy to memorize either. I'd prefer something like fink-project.org - >while it is much longer, everybody who knows fink would easily >memorize it. -=[JFH] Justin F. Hallett -=[JFH] Rendek Communications Inc. -=[JFH] [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] Can I modify outside /sw?
At 19:47 Uhr + 10.01.2003, Finlay Dobbie wrote: On Friday, January 10, 2003, at 03:17 pm, Jared wrote: What does Fink's daemonic package do? I'm not familiar with it. Last i checked, it managed a load of startupitem bundles in /Library/StartupItems (can you say, ick?). I can say it, but I don't know why you would say it, how about elaborating? Anyway, Justin is working on a spiced up daemonic. Max -- --- Max Horn Software Developer --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] domain, need reply from key team at very least
Just to avoid some confusion: none of the various www.fink.* seems to be available. No .net, .com. org, .de, .info, etc. so forget about those! finkhq seems to be something very US centric. I guess HQ stands for "head quarter" ? In any case, not many people from here would associate it with that immediatly. And it wouldn't be particulary easy to memorize either. I'd prefer something like fink-project.org - while it is much longer, everybody who knows fink would easily memorize it. That said, I am still not fully convinced that we need a domain, except maybe for emails, but I don't have a problem if we get one, either. I just don't like finkhq.* much, but that's just my two cents of course, feel free to overrule me there :-) Max -- --- Max Horn Software Developer --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] Can I modify outside /sw?
On Friday, January 10, 2003, at 03:17 pm, Jared wrote: What does Fink's daemonic package do? I'm not familiar with it. Last i checked, it managed a load of startupitem bundles in /Library/StartupItems (can you say, ick?). -- Finlay --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] domain, need reply from key team at very least
On Fri, 2003-01-10 at 14:09, David R. Morrison wrote: > > fink.net seems to belong to "netidentity.com", and there is one registered > node, namely http://Rat.Fink.net . So this would seem to be out. > > (I'm not sure that I can explain to a non-American what ratfink means...) Hint: it's not a finch that feeds on rats. > > -- Dave > --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] domain, need reply from key team at very least
On Jan 10,2003 12:19:30 -0600, Kris Foster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote : >http://www.fink.org/ seems to be the property of a Mr. A. Fink. > >Kris > It's kind of cool, actually... He has done Mac OS 9 development, and he has a link to our project at the bottom of his page. fink.net seems to belong to "netidentity.com", and there is one registered node, namely http://Rat.Fink.net . So this would seem to be out. (I'm not sure that I can explain to a non-American what ratfink means...) -- Dave --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] domain, need reply from key team at very least
http://www.fink.org/ seems to be the property of a Mr. A. Fink. Kris On Fri, 10 Jan 2003, Justin Hallett wrote: > I think everyone will vote for fink.info but it's NOT avail > > not sure about fink.net but fink.org is avail ATM > > and this is discussion is for all, I just wanted to get the core teams > attention at least :P > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > >I agree with David that I don't like the 'hq'. To me it doesn't mean a > >thing. I personally would vote for fink.info or fink.org or even > >fink.net (we are a 'network' of developers, no?) > > -=[JFH] Justin F. Hallett > -=[JFH] Rendek Communications Inc. > -=[JFH] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > --- > This SF.NET email is sponsored by: > SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! > http://www.vasoftware.com > ___ > Fink-devel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel > --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] domain, need reply from key team at very least
On Friday, January 10, 2003, at 11:45 AM, Benjamin Reed wrote: On Friday, January 10, 2003, at 11:38 AM, David wrote: I did offer that as well. I am also still talking to the fink.info owner and they do not seem too reluctant on sponsoring the domain. Neither money nor resources seem to be the issue but the inability to decide on a possible domain name. I think fink.info would be awesome, although I have no problems with finkhq, I agree that .org is more appropriate than .com. If we can get fink.info and finkhq.org, I think that would be perfect... What about fink-project.org ? Jeremy --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] domain, need reply from key team at very least
I think everyone will vote for fink.info but it's NOT avail not sure about fink.net but fink.org is avail ATM and this is discussion is for all, I just wanted to get the core teams attention at least :P [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >I agree with David that I don't like the 'hq'. To me it doesn't mean a >thing. I personally would vote for fink.info or fink.org or even >fink.net (we are a 'network' of developers, no?) -=[JFH] Justin F. Hallett -=[JFH] Rendek Communications Inc. -=[JFH] [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] domain, need reply from key team at very least
Even if I am not a core devel team member let me add a few comments: I agree with David that I don't like the 'hq'. To me it doesn't mean a thing. I personally would vote for fink.info or fink.org or even fink.net (we are a 'network' of developers, no?) That's it. On Freitag, Januar 10, 2003, at 04:36 Uhr, Justin Hallett wrote: what about finkhq both de and com are avail... finkhq.de was my first though since both Chris and Max are from de it seems only right to honor them and there country. or finkhq.com it we want to be in the .com I think .org is avail to, I talked to rand on irc and he is willing to host it and I'm willing to pay reg for the .org or .com please let me know what you guys think ASAP, I think the core devel team getting @finkhq.(com|org|de) address would be a good asset. -=[JFH] Justin F. Hallett -=[JFH] Rendek Communications Inc. -=[JFH] [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] domain, need reply from key team at very least
On Friday, January 10, 2003, at 11:38 AM, David wrote: I did offer that as well. I am also still talking to the fink.info owner and they do not seem too reluctant on sponsoring the domain. Neither money nor resources seem to be the issue but the inability to decide on a possible domain name. I think fink.info would be awesome, although I have no problems with finkhq, I agree that .org is more appropriate than .com. If we can get fink.info and finkhq.org, I think that would be perfect... --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] domain, need reply from key team at very least
if this is the case then fink.org is the logical choice [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >I know one should never shed critique without offering a better > >solution. I have no better solution but I know that I will go and > >register > > > >finkdocu.org > >finkdevel.org -=[JFH] Justin F. Hallett -=[JFH] Rendek Communications Inc. -=[JFH] [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] domain, need reply from key team at very least
I agree fink.info would rule but it's taken so we need an other, what about finkhq.info? [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >I did offer that as well. I am also still talking to the fink.info > >owner and they do not seem too reluctant on sponsoring the domain. > >Neither money nor resources seem to be the issue but the inability to > >decide on a possible domain name. -=[JFH] Justin F. Hallett -=[JFH] Rendek Communications Inc. -=[JFH] [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] domain, need reply from key team at very least
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Freitag, Jänner 10, 2003, at 04:36 Uhr, Justin Hallett wrote: what about finkhq both de and com are avail... Well here are my 00.18 € and please keep in mind, that this is a personal opinion do NOT be offended. finkhq.de was my first though since both Chris and Max are from de it seems only right to honor them and there country. Personally I HATE how most companies abuse the domain policies. The Fink server nor Project is completely located in germany and therefore using a .de domain would only abuse the standards further. It really does not matter that Max is from Germany as long as the Project itself is not fully located, including the server, you should not use a .de domain (and yes I know 99% of the .de domains aren't following this standard). or finkhq.com it we want to be in the .com We aren't 'com'mercial so taht should be out of the question. I think .org is avail to, In my humble opinion that is the only viable choice. We are an "organisation" in a way, yet not even that would fully apply. I talked to rand on irc and he is willing to host it and I'm willing to pay reg for the .org or .com please let me know what you guys think ASAP, I think the core devel team getting @finkhq.(com|org|de) address would be a good asset. I did offer that as well. I am also still talking to the fink.info owner and they do not seem too reluctant on sponsoring the domain. Neither money nor resources seem to be the issue but the inability to decide on a possible domain name. Personally I dislike finkhq.(), because I do not identify myself with the appended hq. Someone who knows English fairly well will be able to guess that it stands for Head Quarters, yet everyone else only sees two strange characters appended. I know one should never shed critique without offering a better solution. I have no better solution but I know that I will go and register finkdocu.org finkdevel.org pretty soon. docu for a domain which is virtual and only hosts documentation devel for a virtual domain which holds all necessary info and news for Developers. - -d "Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there wondering, fearing, - - Doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream to dream before.." Edgar Allen Poe - The Raven -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQE+Hvb7iW/Ta/pxHPQRA0JuAJwIG2T5K64bqIhEnZvrw3YDUp54uwCdGlXQ TPr5dh4Y9yjyWZKc4UUiIeg= =cHw7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
[Fink-devel] domain, need reply from key team at very least
what about finkhq both de and com are avail... finkhq.de was my first though since both Chris and Max are from de it seems only right to honor them and there country. or finkhq.com it we want to be in the .com I think .org is avail to, I talked to rand on irc and he is willing to host it and I'm willing to pay reg for the .org or .com please let me know what you guys think ASAP, I think the core devel team getting @finkhq.(com|org|de) address would be a good asset. -=[JFH] Justin F. Hallett -=[JFH] Rendek Communications Inc. -=[JFH] [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] Can I modify outside /sw?
On Friday, January 10, 2003, at 08:59 AM, David R. Morrison wrote: Jared <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi. I have a package which currently creates a file outside /sw. It adds a file to /etc/xinetd.d/ so your computer acts as a POP3 server so you can get Hotmail in any e-mail client. The person who is looking over my package isn't sure about my modifying outside /sw but in an effort to keep it as easy for the end user as possible, I wanted it to be automated. If I add a PostRmScript to remove the file, will this be acceptable? On my machine, inetd is running rather thatn xinetd. So are you sure that this would actually work? Well, when I did it on my machine, xinetd was running already. When I did it on my iBook, xinetd was not running so I manually started it (sudo xinetd). Now, after a restart, my iBook is still running xinetd. I have one more computer which is not running it yet and I didn't install hotway on it. I guess I well test on there and see what happens after I install hotway using my script and restart. There is a way to do it with inetd as well, but I have to modify an existing file (/etc/inetd.conf). It is easier to include and remove a separate file like I can do with xinetd. On a more general note, Fink's daemonic package is intended to help manage daemons that are needed for Fink packages. Could you possibly make use of it instead? Well, it doesn't run as a daemon. That is, it doesn't constantly run. It only runs when you make a connection on port 110 (the POP3 port and the port I use during installation) to your computer. This is where xinetd (or inetd) comes in, as it's the software which runs hotwayd. What does Fink's daemonic package do? I'm not familiar with it. Thanks. -Jared --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] Can I modify outside /sw?
Jared <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi. I have a package which currently creates a file outside /sw. It > adds a file to /etc/xinetd.d/ so your computer acts as a POP3 server so > you can get Hotmail in any e-mail client. The person who is looking > over my package isn't sure about my modifying outside /sw but in an > effort to keep it as easy for the end user as possible, I wanted it to > be automated. If I add a PostRmScript to remove the file, will this be > acceptable? On my machine, inetd is running rather thatn xinetd. So are you sure that this would actually work? On a more general note, Fink's daemonic package is intended to help manage daemons that are needed for Fink packages. Could you possibly make use of it instead? > > Also, what does "make install" do, or how can I find out what it does? > I'm asking because to install the software I created the package for, I > just need to copy the binary it makes somewhere. I don't know what a > "make install" will do so my install script is simply a "cp file > target". I don't know how to guarantee it will be installed into the > /sw/sbin/ folder as I want. My file I mentioned above needs to know the > full path so it needs to be predictable. You could read the Makefile, or you could run "make install" and observe what happens. If you are making an InstallScript by hand, then you use InstallScript: << mkdir -p %i/sbin cp binary-file %i/sbin/ << What this does is to install the file into PREFIX/sbin/, where PREFIX was the location of Fink which was chosen by the user. For most users, this defaults to /sw, but some users might have installed things in another place. Now, how do you record this location in another file? Say the file you want it in is called foo.config. In foo.config you would write @FINK_PREFIX@/sbin/binary-file wherever it is appropriate. Then, use a PatchScript: PatchScript: << mv foo.config foo.config.bak sed "s|@FINK_PREFIX@|%p|g" < foo.config.bak > foo.config << This replaces every instance of @FINK_PREFIX@ in your file by the correct prefix (which is expanded from %p, and which will equal /sw for most users). -- Dave --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
[Fink-devel] Package DB broken?
http://fink.sourceforge.net/pdb/index.php currently shows The database was last updated at 08:37 GMT on Friday, January 10 and currently lists 24 packages in 22 sections. Why only 24? What's happening there? --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] Can I modify outside /sw?
On Freitag, Januar 10, 2003, at 02:29 Uhr, Jared wrote: On an unrelated note (because I don't want to join another mailing list to ask this), I got an error while installing gimp (fink install gimp). I am using Apple's X11 so with the many choices at the beginning of installation, I chose to install system-xfree86. It stops compiling with this error: Did you read http://fink.sourceforge.net/doc/x11/inst-xfree86.php#apple-binary ? Follow the instructions there. Chris. --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
[Fink-devel] Can I modify outside /sw?
Hi. I have a package which currently creates a file outside /sw. It adds a file to /etc/xinetd.d/ so your computer acts as a POP3 server so you can get Hotmail in any e-mail client. The person who is looking over my package isn't sure about my modifying outside /sw but in an effort to keep it as easy for the end user as possible, I wanted it to be automated. If I add a PostRmScript to remove the file, will this be acceptable? Also, what does "make install" do, or how can I find out what it does? I'm asking because to install the software I created the package for, I just need to copy the binary it makes somewhere. I don't know what a "make install" will do so my install script is simply a "cp file target". I don't know how to guarantee it will be installed into the /sw/sbin/ folder as I want. My file I mentioned above needs to know the full path so it needs to be predictable. On an unrelated note (because I don't want to join another mailing list to ask this), I got an error while installing gimp (fink install gimp). I am using Apple's X11 so with the many choices at the beginning of installation, I chose to install system-xfree86. It stops compiling with this error: --- dpkg -i /sw/fink/dists/stable/main/binary-darwin-powerpc/x11-system/system- xfree86_4.2-1_darwin-powerpc.deb (Reading database ... 5951 files and directories currently installed.) Unpacking system-xfree86 (from .../system-xfree86_4.2-1_darwin-powerpc.deb) ... dpkg: error processing /sw/fink/dists/stable/main/binary-darwin-powerpc/x11-system/system- xfree86_4.2-1_darwin-powerpc.deb (--install): subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 1 Errors were encountered while processing: /sw/fink/dists/stable/main/binary-darwin-powerpc/x11-system/system- xfree86_4.2-1_darwin-powerpc.deb ### execution of dpkg failed, exit code 1 Failed: can't install package system-xfree86-4.2-1 This happens right after it sets up libtiff. Thanks in advance. -Jared --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] FAW Q1.5: Then why did you choose /sw? -- Howabout /usr/local/fink?
At 20:04 Uhr -0500 09.01.2003, Jason Deraleau wrote:
My vote is for /opt/fink.
Just to clarify this, there is nothing to vote on here. There are
no serious reasons to abandon /sw, but many good reasons not to do
it - one of them being backward compatibility, we don't want to
force 99% of fink users to redo their complete fink installation.
I realize there's not a vote going on, it was just an expression.
Understood, I just wanted to clarify this before people start
thinking they were asked to vote :-)
Serious reasons to abandon /sw? Well, there is the factor of /sw
not being a standard directory in any distribution of *nix I've ever
encountered, which is an initial hurdle to someone who is new to the
platform ("mrtg is in /sw/bin? Who'd have thunk it").
However, we are *not* a *nix distribution! To get Fink you have to
install it yourself. And if you install it yourself and fail to
notice that you just installed it into /sw... uhm, well, sorry, but
then you have to suffer. Some people just have to learn it the hard
way. Besides, if we installed in /opt, it would be exactly the same
problem. If the main concern is that /opt is not visible from the
Finder, well, we could hide /sw during bootstrap, if people think
that would be a good thing.
/opt is something a few people will recognize, but for the vast
majority of Unix systems I ever worked on, there is no /opt either,
so nothing really gets easier. Besides, DarwinPorts is now using it,
so we would get into a mess there, I fear.
Also, like I mentioned in my email, if you have someone who is not
very Unix savvy using the machine (either the person installing Fink
or say Grandma), they might delete the sw folder accidentally
because it's visible by default.
You give your Grandma admin rights to your machine? Well... what if
she accidentally deletes the System directory? I have met few newbies
that go around and randomly delete stuff on their HD that they don't
know. More common in this area are people who believe they are pro's
and then go around and randomly delete stuff they don't know, but
that's really an off-topic :-)
Anyway, this would be avoided by making /sw inivisible form the
Finder. That wouldn't be too hard to do. Maybe an idea for our
bootstrap script, and also maybe worth an entry in the FAQ ("How can
I hide the /sw directory in Finder?").
So what about a gradual transition? Have the selfupdate-cvs start
using /opt/fink and do a symlink temporarily until the majority of
the userbase is using /opt/fink. Recompile the binary installation
so new users will be using /opt/fink. I realize that the /opt folder
gets used by some thing (for example, Apache2 on MOSX Server), but
I'm sure even Apple would adhere to leaving the /opt folder alone.
Ehrm, I just don't see any reason to do this. You stated two "reasons:"
1) Invisibility in Finder: we can get that easily for /sw, too
2) "Standard compliance": I don't think that these "standards" really
apply to us here, we are in a unique situation. And even if I would
accept this, it seems a very small justification.
Max
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[Fink-devel] Install location for non-standard libraries?
I have several packages that have very generally named header files. i.e. uw-imap-c-client which is not using autoconf, and cpdflib. I can install the library in /sw/lib and the header file in /sw/include but with names like misc.h this could be a problem. I would like to install to a different directory like /sw/local/src/c-client. So the layout would be: DIR=/usr/local/src/c-client DIR/lib/c-client.a DIR/include/misc.h Making a folder in /sw/include/c-client would be an option, but packages using these libraries would have to be updated to find the new header locations. Ideas, suggestions? Best Regards, Dustin --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
