Re: [Fink-devel] gnuplot history -- doesn't detect readline
Joe Corneli wrote: gnuplot history warning: history command requires some form of readline support fink list readline Information about 2434 packages read in 2 seconds. i readline 4.3-25 Comfortable terminal input library i readline-shlibs4.3-25 Comfortable terminal input library term-readline-pm 1.0203-10Placeholder for versioned Term::ReadLine::Perl packages term-readline-pm5811.0203-10Minimal interface to Readline I have readline, and I just rebuilt gnuplot. Seems like readline must not be being linked in properly. It is, but looking at the sources of gnuplot-3.8j.0, I get the impression that they have their head screwed on backwards. They put the whole history command processing between #if defined(READLINE) !defined(HAVE_LIBREADLINE) #endif which is the exact opposite of what they want. If I replace this by #if 1 I get a gnuplot executable that executes its history command correctly. -- Martin --- The SF.Net email is sponsored by EclipseCon 2004 Premiere Conference on Open Tools Development and Integration See the breadth of Eclipse activity. February 3-5 in Anaheim, CA. http://www.eclipsecon.org/osdn ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
[Fink-devel] apr 0.9.5 and apache 2.0.48 and bdb4.2 (another try)
Hi Dustin, hi TheSin I am sorry to bother you again on this topic. I heard that you, Dustin, are working on upgrading apache2 and php to work with bdb4.2. Still, i haven't seen as sign on that yet since December. Subversion yesterday released a new version, 0.37, which is probably the last beta before 1.0. I need to release this version as soon as possible to let people test it. Like this we can move svn 1.0 to stable soon after it is released. Now, as you know, svn now depends on bdb4.2 and therefore i need apr and apache2 to be upgraded with bdb4.2. Could you please tell me, what is holding up the release of newer revisions of these packages? I tested apache2 and apr with db4.2 and they seem to work fine. What else needs to be done? Can i help you test? Do you have anything against it if i release a new revision of apache2 and apr? I really want to release this week! So, could we make that happen? Thanks, Chris. PS: The updated files are in my experimental directory in cvs fink: /sw/fink/experimental/chris01/finkinfo/ --- The SF.Net email is sponsored by EclipseCon 2004 Premiere Conference on Open Tools Development and Integration See the breadth of Eclipse activity. February 3-5 in Anaheim, CA. http://www.eclipsecon.org/osdn ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] Packaging issue - ruby extensions
On Fri, Jan 23, 2004 at 07:39:14PM -0500, Daniel Macks wrote:
On Wed, Jan 21, 2004 at 09:10:24AM +0100, Michal 'hramrach' Suchanek wrote:
On Tue, Jan 20, 2004 at 04:39:27AM -0500, Daniel Macks wrote:
On Tue, Jan 20, 2004 at 10:22:04AM +0100, Michal 'hramrach' Suchanek wrote:
On Mon, Jan 19, 2004 at 10:28:33PM -0500, Daniel Macks wrote:
On Mon, Jan 19, 2004 at 01:35:31PM +0100, Michal Suchanek wrote:
So I made ripper-ruby16 0.0.5-2 that has a splitoff ripper
0.0.5-2-16, ripper-ruby18 with splitoff ripper 0.0.5-2-18, etc.
What exactly is the purpose of these splitoffs and what do they
contain? [...]
are you trying to arrange so that other fink packages can use yours
by simply Depends: ripper and be assured of a fully functional
module *somewhere*?
Yes, that's what I intended to do.
Okay then, I have to ask: why?
It was the first soulotion that came to my mind and I like it.
Valid, so long as it works.
Given that they won't know where, though, what's the point? I'm
thinking back to your example of an invalid configuration:
ruby16 + ruby18 + ruby 1.8.0 + ripper-ruby16 + fxruby-ruby18 + freeride
that could result from freeride saying 'Depends: ripper, fxruby'.
Experience has shown that when we have foo-pmXX provides:foo-pm (or a
foo-pm bundle depends:foo-pmXX|foo-pmYY) other package maintainers are
likely to Depends:foo-pm without considering that it's the same as
your broken example.
That is why I made the splitoffs, not Provides:ripper
Based on the freeride example you give, you're in the same
versioned-perl-module handbasket. If it's the freeride package (which
is not ruby-versioned) that needs a certain suite of modules all in
the same ruby-version, it's up to that package to request them. Why
can't it just pick a ruby and use it?
As you put it it should be possible to make
freeride + freeride-ruby18 + freeride-ruby16 where freeride-rubyXX contains a
script for running freeride with the correct interpreter.
If that's the case for this example:
I had another thing in mind:
Package: freeride
Depends: freeride-ruby-runtime
(contains the freeride sources)
Package: freeride-ruby16
Depends: ruby16, ripper-ruby16, fxruby-ruby16
Provides: freeride-ruby-runtime
(contains a startup script)
Which I would assume looks like:
freeride: %p/bin/freeride-bin (some script)
freeride-ruby16: %p/bin/freeride ('%p/bin/ruby1.6 %p/bin/freeride-bin')
So you'd need freeride-ruby16 Depends:freeride-ruby16, which causes a
dependency loop. I have no idea whether freeride-ruby16 also has
things that other programs might want (i.e., would someone ever want
to install freeride-ruby16 and -ruby18 at the same time?), but if so
then there are file conflicts.
Installing freeride-ruby-16 and freeride-ruby18 at the same time is not useful.
But freeride-ruby16 and freeride-ruby18 could install different files and
an alternative.
To avoid the cyclic dependency one more package could be created.
Like freeride-bin (the freeride stuff), freeride-rubyXX that contain startup
scripts and provide freeride.
Thanks
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Re: .app's in Fink (was Re: [Fink-devel] CFD: Installing Frameworks from fink packages)
David R. Morrison wrote: [] My proposal is that we place .app's in /sw/Applications, and then in a postinstall script, set up a symlink from /Applications to the actual .app. It would be better to make an Alias instead of a symlink. And put it on the Desktop instead of /Applications. This would be less intrusive. During package installation, people are used to things appearing on the desktop. -- Martin --- The SF.Net email is sponsored by EclipseCon 2004 Premiere Conference on Open Tools Development and Integration See the breadth of Eclipse activity. February 3-5 in Anaheim, CA. http://www.eclipsecon.org/osdn ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
[Fink-devel] Re: .app's in Fink
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jan 26, 2004, at 1:42 AM, D. Höhn wrote: |I think we will have to restart the old discussion of /sw/Applications, |too. And I mean a real discussion, not the hasty erection of religious |taboos as we had in the past. I would really love to see things like |Tcl/Tk-aqua and rangerrick's KDE/Qt-mac stuff in Fink. I do not quite understand why. Please do not misunderstand me, I am not completely opposed, I just do not get why. We are good at something, which is packaging Unix based applications. There are enough applications out there which have not been packaged yet and we are having trouble already keeping up. I just fear that introducing .app into the whole system complicates matters to the worse. Well, there are many nice wrappers for opensource programs that could be a welcome addition to fink, also some projects have os x code in them itself. What is the difference in an opensource Cocoa app or an x11 one? just a different windowserver. Also it would be possible for the apps to use fink's libs, and not have to duplicate everything in each app bundle, which is the point of shared libs in the first place. I'd love to see more stuff, but I do feel we should be pretty selective about it, at least at first. As for duplicating everyting that kde apps need to run, well, i'd much rather not :) - -chris zubrzycki - - -- PGP public key: http://homepage.mac.com/beren/publickey.txt ID: 0xA2ABC070 Fingerprint: 26B0 BA6B A409 FA83 42B3 1688 FBF9 8232 A2AB C070 _ This message is encoded using the Rot-26 encoding method. Unauthorized decoding of this message may result in extreme penalties under the DMCA. These penalties include, but are not limited to: US$100,000 fine, life imprisonment, castration, death, limp hair, terminal halitosis, and amputation of the extremities. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (Darwin) iD8DBQFAFZaZ+/mCMqKrwHARAlQJAKCCcyN6g3RTxDOZXykFHuCMfq41EgCeMsqZ SYRSC4+DcjcMmlHmx1G4DxI= =K1wC -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- The SF.Net email is sponsored by EclipseCon 2004 Premiere Conference on Open Tools Development and Integration See the breadth of Eclipse activity. February 3-5 in Anaheim, CA. http://www.eclipsecon.org/osdn ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
[Fink-devel] Re: .app's in Fink
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jan 26, 2004, at 5:32 PM, Martin Costabel wrote: David R. Morrison wrote: My proposal is that we place .app's in /sw/Applications, and then in a postinstall script, set up a symlink from /Applications to the actual .app. It would be better to make an Alias instead of a symlink. And put it on the Desktop instead of /Applications. This would be less intrusive. During package installation, people are used to things appearing on the desktop. Well, whose desktop do you put it on? I vote for /Applications, most apps people install end up there. Also, in this case, since the original will not be moving, i think an alias is fine; it's also much easier to create via the command line. ;-) == A cat spends her life conflicted between a deep, passionate and profound desire for fish and an equally deep, passionate and profound desire to avoid getting wet. This is the defining metaphor of my life right now. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (Darwin) iD8DBQFAFZdm+/mCMqKrwHARAjVAAJsFPvfLbioCNDHGLw+wm3CAK0sC1wCg0JjL CxfXwIKuZk/4s+dJBPoJObk= =Olh+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- The SF.Net email is sponsored by EclipseCon 2004 Premiere Conference on Open Tools Development and Integration See the breadth of Eclipse activity. February 3-5 in Anaheim, CA. http://www.eclipsecon.org/osdn ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: .app's in Fink (was Re: [Fink-devel] CFD: Installing Frameworks from fink packages)
Martin Costabel wrote: It would be better to make an Alias instead of a symlink. And put it on the Desktop instead of /Applications. This would be less intrusive. During package installation, people are used to things appearing on the desktop. I can imagine installing KDE and having 150 apps on my desktop. =) I think we're better off making an alias in /Applications/Fink or something. --- The SF.Net email is sponsored by EclipseCon 2004 Premiere Conference on Open Tools Development and Integration See the breadth of Eclipse activity. February 3-5 in Anaheim, CA. http://www.eclipsecon.org/osdn ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: .app's in Fink (was Re: [Fink-devel] CFD: Installing Frameworks from fink packages)
D. Höhn wrote: [] I do not quite understand why. Please do not misunderstand me, I am not completely opposed, I just do not get why. We are good at something, which is packaging Unix based applications. There are enough This is a false opposition. There are more and more Unix based applications (whatever that means on an operating system that is itself based on Unix) that try to use OSX's native graphics and are then in a natural way packed as app bundles. I don't see why qt-x11 should be considered more Unix based than qt-mac, for example. applications out there which have not been packaged yet and we are having trouble already keeping up. I just fear that introducing .app into the whole system complicates matters to the worse. It would be interesting to have statistics about the main activities of Fink developers these last months. I bet that only a rather small part of their time went into actually packaging new packages. People are not creating Fink packages because there are so many applications out there, but because they either want some package for their own purposes or because it is fun to spend time with a particular piece of software. In both categories there will be more and more app bundles. There is a saying in german Schuster bleib bei deinen Leisten which means as much as Stick to what you are good at. I would suggest, that we leave the .app handling to others and concentrate on improving fink To others like Ben Reed or what? Nobody is forced to make app bundles out of their fink packages. But there are app bundles that would greatly enrich fink if they were available as fink packages. itself as well as its packages. I really do not mind downloading KDE/QTMac from somewhere else. Rather than having calssic KDE/QT plus KDE/QTMac in Fink. But I do mind. Why should I start reading web pages with long lists of instructions on what to download from where and to install first in /opt and /usr/local and then download something else and start compiling with autoconf and glibtoolize and whatever and then install in /Applications when I could just say fink install koffice-aqua and let fink do its magic? Not to mention subsequent update-all or remove commands that you don't get from somewhere else. -- Martin --- The SF.Net email is sponsored by EclipseCon 2004 Premiere Conference on Open Tools Development and Integration See the breadth of Eclipse activity. February 3-5 in Anaheim, CA. http://www.eclipsecon.org/osdn ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: .app's in Fink (was Re: [Fink-devel] CFD: Installing Frameworks from fink packages)
This sounds like a nice solution. Keith On Jan 26, 2004, at 5:52 PM, Benjamin Reed wrote: Martin Costabel wrote: It would be better to make an Alias instead of a symlink. And put it on the Desktop instead of /Applications. This would be less intrusive. During package installation, people are used to things appearing on the desktop. I can imagine installing KDE and having 150 apps on my desktop. =) I think we're better off making an alias in /Applications/Fink or something. --- The SF.Net email is sponsored by EclipseCon 2004 Premiere Conference on Open Tools Development and Integration See the breadth of Eclipse activity. February 3-5 in Anaheim, CA. http://www.eclipsecon.org/osdn ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel --- The SF.Net email is sponsored by EclipseCon 2004 Premiere Conference on Open Tools Development and Integration See the breadth of Eclipse activity. February 3-5 in Anaheim, CA. http://www.eclipsecon.org/osdn ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: .app's in Fink (was Re: [Fink-devel] CFD: Installing Frameworks from fink packages)
Ben Hines wrote: Fine by me, as long as we stick to open source applications ONLY. The No one ever suggested anything else. objection about 'moving apps around' never did make sense to me, i think a more important objection is fink losing focus. I believe we have one or two command line apps in fink which are binary. One of them is aquaterm that installs an app into /sw/Applications. I never liked the fact that this is a binary installation, even when you do fink install. But I think the main reason for this is precisely that the building of apps with Fink packages was frowned upon. A binary installation was considered the lesser evil, which I always found perverse. BTW, I don't think anyone ever reported problems with AquaTerm.app living in /sw/Applications. Nobody complained about the restriction of their freedom to move apps around at will. -- Martin --- The SF.Net email is sponsored by EclipseCon 2004 Premiere Conference on Open Tools Development and Integration See the breadth of Eclipse activity. February 3-5 in Anaheim, CA. http://www.eclipsecon.org/osdn ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: .app's in Fink (was Re: [Fink-devel] CFD: Installing Frameworks from fink packages)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jan 26, 2004, at 5:52 PM, Benjamin Reed wrote: Martin Costabel wrote: It would be better to make an Alias instead of a symlink. And put it on the Desktop instead of /Applications. This would be less intrusive. During package installation, people are used to things appearing on the desktop. I can imagine installing KDE and having 150 apps on my desktop. =) I think we're better off making an alias in /Applications/Fink or something. What about refining the current structure we have for our info files? We can use /Applications/Fink/foo/app, and when we remove the package, we can check everywhere under /Applications/Fink for the link to the app to remove it. This also brings up another point, what about having subcategories in our structure? kde/net kde/devel, graphics/multimedia etc? We could again borrow from debian the subcategories we like :) Everyone who comes in here wants three things: (1) They want it quick. (2) They want it good. (3) They want it cheap. I tell 'em to pick two and call me back. -- sign on the back wall of a small printing company -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (Darwin) iD8DBQFAFZ2d+/mCMqKrwHARAnRGAKCqB1XZUBC1s1HPN69jhgEhpwt1NQCfdk9Q 8+PXtyj3BsubBEIJYOvhdO4= =MSf2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- The SF.Net email is sponsored by EclipseCon 2004 Premiere Conference on Open Tools Development and Integration See the breadth of Eclipse activity. February 3-5 in Anaheim, CA. http://www.eclipsecon.org/osdn ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: .app's in Fink (was Re: [Fink-devel] CFD: Installing Frameworks from fink packages)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 Martin Costabel wrote: D. Höhn wrote: [] I do not quite understand why. Please do not misunderstand me, I am not completely opposed, I just do not get why. We are good at something, which is packaging Unix based applications. There are enough This is a false opposition. There are more and more Unix based applications (whatever that means on an operating system that is itself based on Unix) that try to use OSX's native graphics and are then in a natural way packed as app bundles. I don't see why qt-x11 should be considered more Unix based than qt-mac, for example. I guess that is a matter of definition. I think that those applications which utilise native Cocoa Objects, display directly under Aqua and so on have been considered native, yet I am no expert on this field and I will gladly agree that my own definition is made out of a personal , construed feeling. There are no hard facts I have based this opinion on. snip It would be interesting to have statistics about the main activities of Fink developers these last months. I bet that only a rather small part of their time went into actually packaging new packages. People are not creating Fink packages because there are so many applications out there, but because they either want some package for their own purposes or because it is fun to spend time with a particular piece of software. In both categories there will be more and more app bundles. Says who? There are enough applications which do not need to be ported to a native app bundle, where some built in framework is used or the actual screen rendering is then done on the Aqua Desktop. There will be tons of new applications released initially meant for other UNIX based systems which happen to run fine on Mac os X as well. Therefore I do not quite follow your prediction of a shift toward app bundles. There is a saying in german Schuster bleib bei deinen Leisten which means as much as Stick to what you are good at. I would suggest, that we leave the .app handling to others and concentrate on improving fink To others like Ben Reed or what? Nobody is forced to make app bundles out of their fink packages. But there are app bundles that would greatly enrich fink if they were available as fink packages. Why? Why would that enrich Fink? In what way? What are my exact benefits? That is the tenor of my original message and I fail to see it answered here. I honestly am not seing it, that is why I am requesting a second point of view. itself as well as its packages. I really do not mind downloading KDE/QTMac from somewhere else. Rather than having calssic KDE/QT plus KDE/QTMac in Fink. But I do mind. Why should I start reading web pages with long lists of instructions on what to download from where and to install first in /opt and /usr/local and then download something else and start compiling with autoconf and glibtoolize and whatever and then install in /Applications Would it not be the main purpose of an app to be bundled with a neat Installer? Or am I missing the point here? when I could just say fink install koffice-aqua and let fink do its magic? Not to mention subsequent update-all or remove commands that you don't get from somewhere else. What happens to the maitainer precedence then? Will the native app always be preffered? Why would anyone want to use KDE/X11 when they can have native KDE? Those are all questions I would like to see addressed prior to allowing any kind of app bundle into Fink's structure. Again, personal opinion. - -d -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (Darwin) iD8DBQFAFaGxPMoaMn4kKR4RA5yaAJ9GZF1N0CHz7Ura/fduJYJ6QLL01QCeNxFO /PliYPDdWNKIiHHx5BpreRE= =IcCS -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- The SF.Net email is sponsored by EclipseCon 2004 Premiere Conference on Open Tools Development and Integration See the breadth of Eclipse activity. February 3-5 in Anaheim, CA. http://www.eclipsecon.org/osdn ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] Questions about .info file
On Jan 25, 2004, at 8:44 PM, James Gibbs wrote: On Jan 25, 2004, at 10:33 AM, Pierre Mazoyer wrote: ## Dependencies Depends: tcltk (= 8.0), tcltk-dev (= 8.0), tcltk-shlibs (= 8.0) Forgot to mention that versioned deps have to have a revision, like: Depends: tcltk (= 8.0.0-1), etc. James --- The SF.Net email is sponsored by EclipseCon 2004 Premiere Conference on Open Tools Development and Integration See the breadth of Eclipse activity. February 3-5 in Anaheim, CA. http://www.eclipsecon.org/osdn ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: .app's in Fink (was Re: [Fink-devel] CFD: Installing Frameworks from fink packages)
In my view, the main reason for doing this is that there already exists software out there which on the one hand depends on UNIX libraries which are (or should be) part of Fink, but on the other hand is packaged in OS X form, as an .app bundle which uses a Cocoa interface. Either all of the Unix libs have to be stuck inside the bundle, requiring much duplication, or this .app bundle needs to have a way to link to (and be sure of the existence of) some underlying UNIX libs. I think that allowing that second possibility would be very worthwhile, and would be a good way to use the Fink infrastructure which already exists. -- Dave --- The SF.Net email is sponsored by EclipseCon 2004 Premiere Conference on Open Tools Development and Integration See the breadth of Eclipse activity. February 3-5 in Anaheim, CA. http://www.eclipsecon.org/osdn ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
[Fink-devel] gnome on macos x
Hello, I have MacOS X 10.2.8 running on my iMac. I've installed Fink (last release) and I'm trying to use Gnome as window manager for unix applications. I installed the bundle-gnome package but I can't run it. If I call the startx command (with -fullscreen or -rootless) it runs XFree86. Can you help me? What can I do to run Gnome? Thank you very much! Niccolò --- The SF.Net email is sponsored by EclipseCon 2004 Premiere Conference on Open Tools Development and Integration See the breadth of Eclipse activity. February 3-5 in Anaheim, CA. http://www.eclipsecon.org/osdn ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: .app's in Fink (was Re: [Fink-devel] CFD: Installing Frameworks from fink packages)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chris Zubrzycki wrote: | | On Jan 26, 2004, at 5:52 PM, Benjamin Reed wrote: | | Martin Costabel wrote: | | It would be better to make an Alias instead of a symlink. And put it | on the Desktop instead of /Applications. This would be less | intrusive. During package installation, people are used to things | appearing on the desktop. | | | I can imagine installing KDE and having 150 apps on my desktop. =) | | I think we're better off making an alias in /Applications/Fink or | something. | | | What about refining the current structure we have for our info files? We | can use /Applications/Fink/foo/app, and when we remove the package, we | can check everywhere under /Applications/Fink for the link to the app to | remove it. This also brings up another point, what about having | subcategories in our structure? kde/net kde/devel, graphics/multimedia | etc? We could again borrow from debian the subcategories we like :) Why not just do: ln -s /sw/Applications /Applications/Fink ?? It is just one symlink, easier to add to our how do I delete fink? docs. We could have subdirs in /sw/Applications as Chris suggests, I think it may be necessary in the future. Peter - -- Peter O'Gorman - http://www.pogma.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQCVAwUBQBWzW7iDAg3OZTLPAQLWewP/VOYheu/NCvMTjQqUTJM+bzIIbgDXg8T4 Pw7gZmP2qH/fvf8v6zCLUfk2AGU36InwNHhe1itdiF6hVBCTPW+lE6kQtEdWdhtF Bbwc4xZzLQR47LwZl1gdIjQDP4cEj27eY5LTmk79xg+WqKtAApij8s2Pend2YDfe EzUPIoI5yLE= =t0/E -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- The SF.Net email is sponsored by EclipseCon 2004 Premiere Conference on Open Tools Development and Integration See the breadth of Eclipse activity. February 3-5 in Anaheim, CA. http://www.eclipsecon.org/osdn ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] gnome on macos x
You run gnome-session -- Alexander K. Hansen Levitated Dipole Experiment http://www.psfc.mit.edu/LDX On Jan 26, 2004, at 7:19 AM, Niccolò Battezzati wrote: Hello, I have MacOS X 10.2.8 running on my iMac. I've installed Fink (last release) and I'm trying to use Gnome as window manager for unix applications. I installed the bundle-gnome package but I can't run it. If I call the startx command (with -fullscreen or -rootless) it runs XFree86. Can you help me? What can I do to run Gnome? Thank you very much! Niccolò --- The SF.Net email is sponsored by EclipseCon 2004 Premiere Conference on Open Tools Development and Integration See the breadth of Eclipse activity. February 3-5 in Anaheim, CA. http://www.eclipsecon.org/osdn ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] Incompatible .info files
On Mon, Jan 26, 2004 at 02:14:00PM +0900, Peter O'Gorman wrote: Daniel Macks wrote: | | In implementing variants, I'm doing some percent expansions on Package | using %things that may not be known to previous fink. That means (I | think) that if a user selfupdates while running an older fink and | there are variant-ish .info files, his fink is gonna croak when it | tries to index (he's still under old-fink, since it's not yet known | that there is a new fink package). Well, don't commit anything to unstable until a fink which understands the new % expansions has been released. Then when the user selfupdates fink will install the latest fink and reexecute fink before creating the index. I was wondering about that approach. I wasn't sure if I could assume a user will never be upgrading from more than one fink version old. So how do you feel about the .vinfo solution? dan -- Daniel Macks [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.netspace.org/~dmacks --- The SF.Net email is sponsored by EclipseCon 2004 Premiere Conference on Open Tools Development and Integration See the breadth of Eclipse activity. February 3-5 in Anaheim, CA. http://www.eclipsecon.org/osdn ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] Incompatible .info files
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 David R. Morrison wrote: |So how do you feel about the .vinfo solution? | | | Could you explain that a bit more? I didn't quite follow... Yes lets. dmacks has added some new % expansions to fink. I assumed fink selfupdate did the following: 1. grab .info files 2. delete index 3. check for new fink version 4. install new fink 5. exec new fink 6. generate index which if true would be wonderful! It isn't true though :( fink tries to generate an index before running the new fink, so when it sees unknown % expansions it will just die and selfupdate will fail. Peter - -- Peter O'Gorman - http://www.pogma.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQCVAwUBQBXGwLiDAg3OZTLPAQKAYwP9H3UeOggXO9UnZ7KPvr6hIN0oY3B0G8RU 1ObKm18b8QXcVgR7IlxLtdQVljURRoeY6UAqB6MAJmu16QAB5x9jTtBe1ktgIDHn ltGMkTdXLvYF9Mn5slXgzcQUTcBOA9JtLhll0mXaRfCfvIe2qXclNjrEIsG4agf7 tCgiZzI2h4Y= =XMAH -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- The SF.Net email is sponsored by EclipseCon 2004 Premiere Conference on Open Tools Development and Integration See the breadth of Eclipse activity. February 3-5 in Anaheim, CA. http://www.eclipsecon.org/osdn ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] Incompatible .info files
So you would migrate from .info files to .vinfo files, over time? That's quite a hack! Seriously, if this were going to be done, then goal #1 of the hack would be to set up a new, extensible, % system so that this would never need to be done again in the future. I don't know what form that would take, but we would certainly need it. Also, I would vote for .finkinfo as the new extension. -- Dave --- The SF.Net email is sponsored by EclipseCon 2004 Premiere Conference on Open Tools Development and Integration See the breadth of Eclipse activity. February 3-5 in Anaheim, CA. http://www.eclipsecon.org/osdn ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] gnome on macos x
From: Alexander Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Fink-devel] gnome on macos x Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 20:25:23 -0500 You run gnome-session Here's how: http://fink.sourceforge.net/doc/x11/run-xfree86.php -- + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + BABA Yoshihiko + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + Towards the Better Environment + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - --- The SF.Net email is sponsored by EclipseCon 2004 Premiere Conference on Open Tools Development and Integration See the breadth of Eclipse activity. February 3-5 in Anaheim, CA. http://www.eclipsecon.org/osdn ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] Incompatible .info files
On Mon, Jan 26, 2004 at 09:38:34PM -0500, Benjamin Reed wrote: David R. Morrison wrote: So you would migrate from .info files to .vinfo files, over time? That's quite a hack! Seriously, if this were going to be done, then goal #1 of the hack would be to set up a new, extensible, % system so that this would never need to be done again in the future. I don't know what form that would take, but we would certainly need it. Also, I would vote for .finkinfo as the new extension. And, if we have to do this, we need to make sure that anything else we want to do that changes the info file format happens at the same time, we won't have many other opportunities to do so. That's why I also mentioned adding some sort of magic number and have the indexer ignore any file that is newer than the level it supports. Maybe a MinFinkVersion: field as the first line? dan -- Daniel Macks [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.netspace.org/~dmacks --- The SF.Net email is sponsored by EclipseCon 2004 Premiere Conference on Open Tools Development and Integration See the breadth of Eclipse activity. February 3-5 in Anaheim, CA. http://www.eclipsecon.org/osdn ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
[Fink-devel] Re: .app's in Fink
From: Darian Lanx [EMAIL PROTECTED] Martin Costabel wrote: D. H=F6hn wrote: I do not quite understand why. Please do not misunderstand me, I am not completely opposed, I just do not get why. We are good at something, which is packaging Unix based applications. The underlying technology is suitable for packaging pretty much anything that is built from source code. Obviously, we should restrict ourselves to only (publicly) packaging packages that build from REDISTRIBUTABLE source code, but it's not clear to me that it makes sense to restrict ourselves to packages that display their graphics through X11 rather than Aqua. Note that we don't have similar taboos against using any other frameworks cdrtools uses the DiscRecording framework, which is about as MacOS X specific as it gets, and many packages are using CoreFoundation or even Cocoa/Carbon. There is a saying in german Schuster bleib bei deinen Leisten which means as much as Stick to what you are good at. I would suggest, tha= t we leave the .app handling to others and concentrate on improving fink To others like Ben Reed or what? Nobody is forced to make app bundles= out of their fink packages. But there are app bundles that would greatly enrich fink if they were available as fink packages Why? Why would that enrich Fink? In what way? Aqua based OpenOffice apps, for instance, or .app bundles for SDL based apps. Could you explain in what way NOT allowing .app bundle packages enriches fink currently? itself as well as its packages. I really do not mind downloading KDE/QTMac from somewhere else. Rather than having calssic KDE/QT plus KDE/QTMac in Fink. My primary reason for starting to use fink was that I did not want to figure out how to install (pre-Apple) xfree86 and TeX/Metafont. Each package we add (as long as it does not corrupt our core vision, which is what we're discussing here) will attract further users. But I do mind. Why should I start reading web pages with long lists of instructions on what to download from where and to install first in /opt and /usr/local and then download something else and start compiling with autoconf and glibtoolize and whatever and then install in /Applications Precisely! This is what fink is all about. Would it not be the main purpose of an app to be bundled with a neat Installer? Or am I missing the point here? What if the user wants to build from source? when I could just say fink install koffice-aqua and let fink do its magic? Not to mention subsequent update-all or remove commands that you don't get from somewhere else. What happens to the maitainer precedence then? Will the native app always be preffered? That's really up to the maintainer (and nobody says that the X11 and the .app packages need to be maintained by the same maintainer). Speaking for myself, I could imagine Trackballs migrating to an .app package and the X11 version disappearing, while nethack almost certainly would stay X11 based :-) Why would anyone want to use KDE/X11 when they can have native KDE? I don't think we need to pick favorites among Open Source packages (that kind of thing is best left to GNU-Darwin :-) If native KDE runs everything that KDE/X11 does and looks good, then I see no inherent value in KDE/X11, but as long as people are interested in the latter, the KDE/X11 package will find maintainers. Matthias --- The SF.Net email is sponsored by EclipseCon 2004 Premiere Conference on Open Tools Development and Integration See the breadth of Eclipse activity. February 3-5 in Anaheim, CA. http://www.eclipsecon.org/osdn ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] Incompatible .info files
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Daniel Macks wrote: | | That's why I also mentioned adding some sort of magic number and have | the indexer ignore any file that is newer than the level it supports. | Maybe a MinFinkVersion: field as the first line? After discussion on #fink which I'll try to summarize: The problem is a couple of bugs in fink. The parser dies when it meets unknown percent expansions and selfupdate should not be doing an index until it has checked for and installed a new fink. Both these bugs need to be fixed. To work around these, because we can't magically change code in released fink packages, a number of possible solutions were discussed; 1. make yet another Distribution: 2. change the extension from .info to something else for packages using these new % expansions. 3. make the first line in packages using these new % expansions 'Info2: ' and update fink to not treat this field specially in future releases. previously released fink versions will grumble a little but about unterminated here-docs, but won't die. I like solution 3 since I proposed it :), any other answers? Peter - -- Peter O'Gorman - http://www.pogma.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQCVAwUBQBXoGLiDAg3OZTLPAQIVZwP8CoSqDo//j3TAJlco5JFqG1JGpGmZ4byQ ZMwZL+UBTcsQ+ypDhNyb7piw6YYztYH58N8hdZv1EhBPueAsj3kJXRs98s4Uuqgk JoNXguB95hg8rOzEP+G5qovu7DB7NxdE6AqLWDIlCRk7jOnpaZxDkmFdy1KWRcy1 97YkMQ7oHlc= =9pJj -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- The SF.Net email is sponsored by EclipseCon 2004 Premiere Conference on Open Tools Development and Integration See the breadth of Eclipse activity. February 3-5 in Anaheim, CA. http://www.eclipsecon.org/osdn ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
