Re: [firebird-support] Will we move when yahoo Groups close theirs doors?

[Jorge Andrés Brugger lis...@dasu.com.ar [firebird-support]]

Yahoo Communication:


Dear Group Moderators and Members,

Thank you for your commitment to Yahoo and for helping us define the 
power of digital communities. Eighteen years ago, we combined the 
functionality of a site called eGroups.com with a precursor community 
platform called Yahoo Clubs to launch Yahoo Groups. Since then, you 
and millions of others have helped prove our hypothesis, by creating 
and joining more than 10 Million groups.


A lot has changed about the Internet since 2001, including the ways 
most people now use Yahoo Groups. Today, most Yahoo Groups activity 
happens in your email inbox, not on the bulletin boards where Yahoo 
Groups started in the pre-smartphone age. Increasingly, people want 
content and connections coming directly to them, and this is why we 
continue to invest in Yahoo Mail -- including the recent launch of a 
new Yahoo Mail app 
 
that is currently the highest-rated email app in the App Store and 
Google Play.


So, as our users’ habits have evolved, we have begun the process of 
evolving our approach to help active Yahoo Groups thrive and migrate 
to our email platform. To help you plan for these changes, below is 
the schedule of how this transition will happen.


Beginning October 28, 2019:

  * Users will be able to join a Yahoo Group only through an invite
from the Group Moderator or by submitting a request to join a
Group, which requires approval by the Group Moderator.
  * Since we are moving Group communication from posting on message
boards to email distribution, uploading and hosting of new content
will also be disabled on the Yahoo Groups website.


Beginning December 14, 2019:

  * All Groups will be made private and any content that was
previously uploaded via the website will be removed. We believe
privacy is critical and made this decision to better align with
our overall principles.
  * If you would like to keep any of the content you’ve posted or
stored in the past within your Yahoo Group, please download it by
December 14 by accessing this link

.


As these dates get closer, we will send follow-up reminders. More 
information about the upcoming changes can be found here 
.


While this evolution of Yahoo Groups is inspired by how we see the 
platform being used today, we know change can be difficult. Here are a 
few important facts as we make this transition:


1. *Yahoo Groups is not going away* - We know that our users are 
deeply passionate about connecting around shared interests, and we are 
evolving Groups to better align with how you use it today.


2. *New groups can still be formed* - Users can continue to connect 
with others around their common bonds and interests. From animal 
rescues to sporting and activity groups, civic organizations to local 
PTAs, members of our Yahoo Groups will remain connected and able to 
share their activities and interests. All of the content that you have 
shared previously on the website, can continue to be shared via email.


We know that Yahoo Groups is an important online extension of your 
real-life group of friends, interests and communities, and we are 
committed to supporting communities that rely on Yahoo Groups. Thanks 
for coming along with us this far. We look forward to seeing where the 
technology -- and you -- take us in the decades to come.


Sincerely,
The Groups Team 


El 18/10/2019 a las 08:45, emb_blas...@hotmail.com [firebird-support] 
escribió:



Hi!

Recently I learned that Yahoo! will close 

RE: [firebird-support] Will we move when yahoo Groups close theirs doors?

['Andrew Zenz' and...@aimsoftware.com.au [firebird-support]]

I am a member of Clarion Hub (https://clarionhub.com/ <https://clarionhub.com/> 
) which uses Discourse.
 
A nice, neat and tidy, well organised site.
 
Andrew.



From: DougC d...@moosemail.net [firebird-support] 
[mailto:firebird-support@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Thu 24/10/2019 6:01 AM
To: firebird-support
Subject: Re: [firebird-support] Will we move when yahoo Groups close theirs 
doors?


  

Jonatan-


This is far from obvious. Those two choices are simply two possible choices of 
many. 


I would like the Firebird community to get off the antiquated Yahoo service, 
which has presented operational problems fairly regularly, is clearly being 
reduced, and continues to be neglected by Yahoo.


I would certainly like to see the Firebird community consolidate to one 
platform that provides both forum-type access to threads as well as mailing 
list-type access. There are platforms that do both. My current preference is 
discourse.org.


Is this change something the Firebird Foundation could take a lead in?



 On Wed, 23 Oct 2019 08:51:11 -0400 jonatan.laurit...@yahoo.dk 
[firebird-support]  wrote 



  

We should move the project to the github and use google groups for 
discussions. It is obvious, wondering, why such proposal has not emerged so far 
already.







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Re: [firebird-support] Will we move when yahoo Groups close theirs doors?

[Mark Rotteveel m...@lawinegevaar.nl [firebird-support]]

On 2019-10-23 17:06, blackfalconsoftw...@outlook.com [firebird-support] 
wrote:
> Why not simply use a forum implementation, which is a better
> technology to use for such a form of support than that of a mailing
> list?

We are using a forum right now. Yahoo Groups is both a forum (until the 
28th) and a mailing list. I personally prefer mailing lists, because I 
want to get things in my mailbox, and not have to go to multiple 
websites and read the topics there.

Solutions like groups.io and Google Groups are a forum + mailing list

In any case, we are currently discussing what to do in the admin group. 
In theory staying with Yahoo Groups is an option, but as it will be 
mailing list only that is invite-only after the 28th , that doesn't 
really have our preference.

Mark

Re: [firebird-support] Will we move when yahoo Groups close theirs doors?

[Salvatore Besso salvatore.be...@outlook.it [firebird-support]]

I would not use google groups. For one reason or the other I've had 
problems in the past. I suggest groups.io. I have already subscribed 
several groups on this platform and they work well either via the web 
interface or as a normal mailing list.

Salvatore

Re: [firebird-support] Will we move when yahoo Groups close theirs doors?

[DougC d...@moosemail.net [firebird-support]]

Jonatan-



This is far from obvious. Those two choices are simply two possible choices of 
many. 



I would like the Firebird community to get off the antiquated Yahoo service, 
which has presented operational problems fairly regularly, is clearly being 
reduced, and continues to be neglected by Yahoo.



I would certainly like to see the Firebird community consolidate to one 
platform that provides both forum-type access to threads as well as mailing 
list-type access. There are platforms that do both. My current preference is 
discourse.org.



Is this change something the Firebird Foundation could take a lead in?



 On Wed, 23 Oct 2019 08:51:11 -0400 jonatan.laurit...@yahoo.dk 
[firebird-support]  wrote 


 We should move the project to the github and use google groups for 
discussions. It is obvious, wondering, why such proposal has not emerged so far 
already.

Re: [firebird-support] Will we move when yahoo Groups close theirs doors?

[blackfalconsoftw...@outlook.com [firebird-support]]

Why not simply use a forum implementation, which is a better technology to use 
for such a form of support than that of a mailing list?
 

 Steve Naidamast
 Sr. Software Engineer

Re: [firebird-support] Will we move when yahoo Groups close theirs doors?

[Lester Caine les...@lsces.uk [firebird-support]]

On 22/10/2019 21:17, Daniel Miller dmil...@amfes.com [firebird-support] 
wrote:
> I'm curious...why not use Sourceforge mailing lists?
Are they currently working properly?
I've not been able to get in on my account for some time after the last 
change of ownership I think ... and the advertising there adds to agro.
I'm surprised no one has said 'github' as well ... another irritating 
mess with their own ides as to just how information is displayed and 
seems to have changed every time I have to use it.

All the material on the secondary yahoo services should simply be 
contained in the firebird website anyway and that ONLY leaves the email 
messaging which yahoo is apparently not breaking, but a private email 
service is the alternative that projects like php have used for years.

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Re: [firebird-support] Will we move when yahoo Groups close theirs doors?

[jonatan.laurit...@yahoo.dk [firebird-support]]

We should move the project to the github and use google groups for discussions. 
It is obvious, wondering, why such proposal has not emerged so far already.

Re: [firebird-support] Will we move when yahoo Groups close theirs doors?

[Dimitry Sibiryakov s...@ibphoenix.com [firebird-support]]

22.10.2019 22:17, Daniel Miller dmil...@amfes.com [firebird-support] wrote:
> I'm curious...why not use Sourceforge mailing lists?

   mailman has awful search capabilities.


-- 
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Re: [firebird-support] Will we move when yahoo Groups close theirs doors?

[Daniel Miller dmil...@amfes.com [firebird-support]]

I'm curious...why not use Sourceforge mailing lists?

Daniel


On 10/21/2019 8:43 AM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.uk [firebird-support] 
wrote:
> On 21/10/2019 16:05, Kevin Stanton kevin.stan...@rdb-solutions.com
> [firebird-support] wrote:
>> Oregon Delphi Users Groups has the same issue.  Looks like that group is 
>> moving tohttp://groups.io
> 
> Virtually all of the email lists I have used since eGroup days are
> affected by this farce. It would seem that the email messaging side will
> simply be maintained so we can just carry on using it, but the one thing
> *I* don't fancy is having several solutions to the problem depending on
> just what each list decides. Various previous attempts to switch one or
> other list to on alternative has failed since the alternative simply
> never worked but there is nothing that provides the flexibility and I
> switched off groups.io previously and blocked it because of problems
> caused by previous 'upgrade' attempts, so until yahoo actually kills the
> email service I'll probably just stay and eventually not bother
> monitoring any of the 30 odd lists ...
> 

Re: [firebird-support] Will we move when yahoo Groups close theirs doors?

[Lester Caine les...@lsces.uk [firebird-support]]

On 21/10/2019 16:05, Kevin Stanton kevin.stan...@rdb-solutions.com 
[firebird-support] wrote:
> Oregon Delphi Users Groups has the same issue.  Looks like that group is 
> moving tohttp://groups.io

Virtually all of the email lists I have used since eGroup days are 
affected by this farce. It would seem that the email messaging side will 
simply be maintained so we can just carry on using it, but the one thing 
*I* don't fancy is having several solutions to the problem depending on 
just what each list decides. Various previous attempts to switch one or 
other list to on alternative has failed since the alternative simply 
never worked but there is nothing that provides the flexibility and I 
switched off groups.io previously and blocked it because of problems 
caused by previous 'upgrade' attempts, so until yahoo actually kills the 
email service I'll probably just stay and eventually not bother 
monitoring any of the 30 odd lists ...

-- 
Lester Caine - G8HFL
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Contact - https://lsces.uk/wiki/Contact
L.S.Caine Electronic Services - https://lsces.uk
Model Engineers Digital Workshop - https://medw.uk
Rainbow Digital Media - https://rainbowdigitalmedia.uk

Re: [firebird-support] Will we move when yahoo Groups close theirs doors?

[Kevin Stanton kevin.stan...@rdb-solutions.com [firebird-support]]

Oregon Delphi Users Groups has the same issue.  Looks like that group is moving 
to http://groups.io 



> On Oct 19, 2019, at 5:01 AM, Mark Rotteveel m...@lawinegevaar.nl 
>  [firebird-support] 
> mailto:firebird-support@yahoogroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> On 18-10-2019 13:45, emb_blas...@hotmail.com  
> [firebird-support] wrote:
> > Recently I learned that Yahoo! will close Groups.
> 
> It looks like they are going to close the site, but the mailing list 
> feature is expected to remain online (as far as I can tell from the 
> announcement, which to be honest isn't very clear).
> 
> > We will lose all the content?
> 
> If the site closes, yes. However, I have created a backup of the 
> messages from firebird-support, firebird-php, firebird-python, 
> firebird-java, ibobjects and ib-conversions, and I'm currently looking 
> at generating a basic accessible archive.
> 
> I don't have backups for firebird-general, firebird-coredocs and 
> firebird-architect, as those seem to be closed groups, and the tool I 
> wrote for the other groups isn't working. I probably need to add some 
> authentication, but I haven't tried that yet.
> 
> Mark
> -- 
> Mark Rotteveel
> 
> 






Thanks,
Kevin


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Re: [firebird-support] Will we move when yahoo Groups close theirs doors?

[Mark Rotteveel m...@lawinegevaar.nl [firebird-support]]

On 18-10-2019 13:45, emb_blas...@hotmail.com [firebird-support] wrote:
> Recently I learned that Yahoo! will close Groups.

It looks like they are going to close the site, but the mailing list 
feature is expected to remain online (as far as I can tell from the 
announcement, which to be honest isn't very clear).

> We will lose all the content?

If the site closes, yes. However, I have created a backup of the 
messages from firebird-support, firebird-php, firebird-python, 
firebird-java, ibobjects and ib-conversions, and I'm currently looking 
at generating a basic accessible archive.

I don't have backups for firebird-general, firebird-coredocs and 
firebird-architect, as those seem to be closed groups, and the tool I 
wrote for the other groups isn't working. I probably need to add some 
authentication, but I haven't tried that yet.

Mark
-- 
Mark Rotteveel

Re: [firebird-support] Will we move when yahoo Groups close theirs doors?

[Doychin Bondzhev doyc...@dsoft-bg.com [firebird-support]]

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/35966337/transition-from-yahoo-groups-to-google-groups

On 18.10.2019 ã. 14:45, emb_blas...@hotmail.com [firebird-support] wrote:
>
> Hi!
>
> Recently I learned that Yahoo! will close Groups.
>
> We will lose all the content?
>
> Will we move to another platform? Where?
>
>
>
> 


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[firebird-support] Will we move when yahoo Groups close theirs doors?

[emb_blas...@hotmail.com [firebird-support]]

Hi!
 Recently I learned that Yahoo! will close Groups. 

 We will lose all the content?
 Will we move to another platform? Where?