Dear Igor and Stan,

Just a couple of pills to continue the e-conversation. Rather than an outlandish theme, I consider this discussion of social complexity as central to FIS agenda and --should be crucial-- to the new science of this century. it is so obvious that our personal limitations and the limitations of our shared knowledge are not conducing to proper managements of social complexity, either in economic, political, ecological (global warming), or energy grounds...

As often argued in this list, the mental schemes and modes of thought so successful in physics during past centuries, do not provide those overall contemplations needed for the social realm. Insisting on surrogates, eg, hierarchical schemes, or even most of complexity science, is worse than wrong: self-defeating, cul-de-sac.

The realm of economy is almost pure information. Rather than planning, markets are very clever ways to handle informational complexity. They partake a number of formal properties (eg, power laws) indicating that they work as info conveyors on global, regional & sectorial, local scales. Paradoxically, "rational" planning can take a man to the moon, or win a war, but cannot bring bread and butter to the breakfast table every day. Planning only, lacks the openness, flexibility, resilience, etc. of markets. A combination of both, with relative market superiority looks better...

with regards,

Pedro

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