Fw: [Fis] INTRODUCING SOCIAL AND CULTURAL COMPLEXITY[Fis] INTRODUCING SOCIAL AND CULTURAL COMPLEXITY

2006-12-12 Thread Igor Matutinovic
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SOCIAL AND CULTURAL COMPLEXITY


Joe posed the question Are there other concepts of complexity that can 
fruitfully be applied to human systems? 
Besides structural and organizational aspects of social (and ecological) 
complexity that Joe mentioned in his text, there is a cognitive aspect of 
complexity that is peculiar to human systems. It concerns directly the issue of 
information processing and, consequently, the nature of the problem solving 
process, which Joe identified as one of the causes producing social complexity. 
Cognitive aspect of complexity in social systems can have at least three 
distinct dimensions. One deals with the virtual impossibility for humans to 
gather all the available information and compute the optimal decision among the 
possible alternatives. In literature this is usually called the problem of 
bounded rationality. 

Another dimension of complexity comes from the fact that human decision making 
is not only bounded by technical constraints related to information gathering 
and processing but is also significantly constrained by a bias that comes from 
the set of basic values and beliefs about the world and a society that a 
decision maker holds in his mind. In that sense certain solutions to a problem, 
which are technically accessible and rational, perhaps even optimal  for an 
external observer, are discarded or unrecognized as such because they clash 
with certain socially shared beliefs and values (a worldview). 

The third dimension might refer to self-referentiallity of human systems: we 
are inclined to conform our behavior to the predictions of our models of the 
world (e.g. self-fulfilling prophecies). According to Felix Geyer, 
self-referentiallity in human systems (called also second-order cybernetics) 
implies that a social system collects information about its functioning which 
in turn may alter this very functioning. The outcome of such a process is, 
however, unpredictable and may be recognized as a semiotic problem: what signs, 
among many, are captured as information, and what is its societal 
interpretation? 

Obviously, the specific cognitive dimensions of social systems, namely bounded 
rationality, perceptual bias that arise from a worldview, and 
self-referentiallity add to the complexity of societies which may be really 
different in kind (I refer  here to Stan's remark that social complexity and 
ecological complexity look like different applications, not kinds). There 
appears simply to be more degrees of freedom in a social system which are also 
qualitatively different from ecological. 

Igor



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Re: [Fis] INTRODUCING SOCIAL AND CULTURAL COMPLEXITY

2006-12-05 Thread Pedro Marijuan

Dear Joe, and FIS colleagues

Given that I will be away for several days (trip--and not computer 
availability), let me rush to make a few anticipated comments on ideas I 
would like to rewrite in the future. First of all, it is an exciting, 
scholarly piece you have prepared. Thanks!
Maybe I should stop here, but aren't little disagreements the salt and 
spice of our profession? For instance:


Would you think that cellular (even molecular) complexity could be useful 
to illuminate further (more basic) aspects of complexity? It passes almost 
unnoticed in the text (only under the ecological cover).


And what about information and societies? Info does not appear either in 
your text (while curiously appearing in books  papers of yours).


Does social complexity hinge on the development of fundamental 
informational devices, which somehow amplify social knowledge, 
communication, storage, etc. (e.g., alphabet, printing press, 
telecommunications, computers)? Those info inventions would open and close 
historical eras...


Is emergence (or better complexity) an open-ended phenomenon in human 
societies, where anything can pop out, except for the cost it implies? Or, 
does human nature imply very fundamental constraints (but pretty 
transparent for us)?: the water we live in.


Do you think that the systems-loaded parlance is really helpful, providing 
adequate and fertile distinctions on social complexity? Or does it 
substitute for dubious foundations in crucial aspects of social science?


These are a few first minute comments and questions after a fast 
reading---probably they misdirect the reflection... I will come back next week.


Thanking again your food for thought,

Pedro





 


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