Re: [Flashcoders] Actionscript 4?
You can't say someone is better or worse than you based on his job title, that's pretty naive /offtopic Leandro Ferreira On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 18:56, Kenneth Kawamoto kennethkawam...@gmail.comwrote: What?! I don't know which Kenneth Kawamoto you're referring to, Kerry, but I do not work for Adobe and I'm definitely not an ECMA Script Committee member either! May be you got mixed up with someone else from my Director-list days? Anyway it's good to be confused with someone better than I, rather than someone worse than I... ;) Kenneth Kawamoto http://www.materiaprima.co.uk/ On 09/11/2010 18:01, Kerry Thompson wrote: I think we have at least one ECMA Script committee member on the list, Kenneth Kawamoto (I think he works for Adobe). Maybe he'll chime in and tell us what he's allowed to say :-) Cordially, Kerry Thompson Thanks Kerry - yeah, I have seen that Moock article, but I'm looking for something more recent. Jason Merrill Instructional Technology Architect Bank of America Global Learning -Original Message- From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com [mailto: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of Kerry Thompson Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 11:47 AM To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Actionscript 4? Jason Merrill wrote: Anyone heard or know anything about Actionscript 4? I know I can look at the latest ECMA specs to get an idea of what may be coming, but I'm curious about what Adobe's doing and when. -- Colin Moock talked about it at FIT in Amsterdam, in 2008. A bit dated, but there are some tantalizing tidbits: http://moock.org/lectures/newInECMAScript4/ Or, if you want it straight from the horse's mouth, here's a 40-page pdf, also a couple of years old: http://www.ecmascript.org/es4/spec/overview.pdf Cordially, Kerry Thompson ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Actionscript 4?
No no, I was just pretending to be humble - it's not me who is naïve here :P -- Kenneth Kawamoto http://www.materiaprima.co.uk/ On 10 November 2010 09:24, Leandro Ferreira dur...@gmail.com wrote: You can't say someone is better or worse than you based on his job title, that's pretty naive /offtopic Leandro Ferreira On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 18:56, Kenneth Kawamoto kennethkawam...@gmail.com wrote: What?! I don't know which Kenneth Kawamoto you're referring to, Kerry, but I do not work for Adobe and I'm definitely not an ECMA Script Committee member either! May be you got mixed up with someone else from my Director-list days? Anyway it's good to be confused with someone better than I, rather than someone worse than I... ;) ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Actionscript 4?
We all understood you and the humor. Well MOST of us ;) on 11/10/10 3:45 AM, kennethkawam...@gmail.com at kennethkawam...@gmail.com wrote: No no, I was just pretending to be humble - it's not me who is naïve here :P John R. Sweeney Jr. Interactive Multimedia Developer OnDemand Interactive Inc 945 Washington Blvd. Hoffman Estates, IL 60169 Office/Fax: 847.310.5959 Cellular: 847.651.4469 www.ondemandinteractive.com ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Actionscript 4?
in august 2008, the work on ecmascript 4 by the ecmascript committee was officially halted. see: https://mail.mozilla.org/pipermail/es-discuss/2008-August/006837.html http://www.mikechambers.com/blog/2008/08/14/actionscript-3-and-ecmascript-4/ as adobe is no longer bound to ecmascript, both the current and aborted ecmascript specs may well not have any bearing on actionscript's future. the thing i liked most about ecmascript 4 was community transparency in the language design process. sadly, that transparency appears to have been lost for now. i lobby for it every chance i get. to anyone else who wants to see it return, it might help to post a comment on mike's blog (above). colin On 09/11/10 13:01, Kerry Thompson wrote: I think we have at least one ECMA Script committee member on the list, Kenneth Kawamoto (I think he works for Adobe). Maybe he'll chime in and tell us what he's allowed to say :-) Cordially, Kerry Thompson Thanks Kerry - yeah, I have seen that Moock article, but I'm looking for something more recent. Jason Merrill Instructional Technology Architect Bank of America Global Learning -Original Message- From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com [mailto:flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of Kerry Thompson Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 11:47 AM To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Actionscript 4? Jason Merrill wrote: Anyone heard or know anything about Actionscript 4? I know I can look at the latest ECMA specs to get an idea of what may be coming, but I'm curious about what Adobe's doing and when. -- Colin Moock talked about it at FIT in Amsterdam, in 2008. A bit dated, but there are some tantalizing tidbits: http://moock.org/lectures/newInECMAScript4/ Or, if you want it straight from the horse's mouth, here's a 40-page pdf, also a couple of years old: http://www.ecmascript.org/es4/spec/overview.pdf Cordially, Kerry Thompson ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Actionscript 4?
Hello :) For me it's really important to complete AS3 with ES4 features like generic, Type, iterators, etc. I can't imagine a next version of the langage without this features... and other important features loose between AS1/2 and AS3 like __resolve__ in all the Object ( Proxy is cool but only with inheritance :( ) or an better constructor access (use an apply in the super for example ) EKA+ :) 2010/11/10 co...@moock.org co...@moock.org in august 2008, the work on ecmascript 4 by the ecmascript committee was officially halted. see: https://mail.mozilla.org/pipermail/es-discuss/2008-August/006837.html http://www.mikechambers.com/blog/2008/08/14/actionscript-3-and-ecmascript-4/ as adobe is no longer bound to ecmascript, both the current and aborted ecmascript specs may well not have any bearing on actionscript's future. the thing i liked most about ecmascript 4 was community transparency in the language design process. sadly, that transparency appears to have been lost for now. i lobby for it every chance i get. to anyone else who wants to see it return, it might help to post a comment on mike's blog (above). colin On 09/11/10 13:01, Kerry Thompson wrote: I think we have at least one ECMA Script committee member on the list, Kenneth Kawamoto (I think he works for Adobe). Maybe he'll chime in and tell us what he's allowed to say :-) Cordially, Kerry Thompson Thanks Kerry - yeah, I have seen that Moock article, but I'm looking for something more recent. Jason Merrill Instructional Technology Architect Bank of America Global Learning -Original Message- From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com [mailto:flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of Kerry Thompson Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 11:47 AM To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Actionscript 4? Jason Merrill wrote: Anyone heard or know anything about Actionscript 4? I know I can look at the latest ECMA specs to get an idea of what may be coming, but I'm curious about what Adobe's doing and when. -- Colin Moock talked about it at FIT in Amsterdam, in 2008. A bit dated, but there are some tantalizing tidbits: http://moock.org/lectures/newInECMAScript4/ Or, if you want it straight from the horse's mouth, here's a 40-page pdf, also a couple of years old: http://www.ecmascript.org/es4/spec/overview.pdf Cordially, Kerry Thompson ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Actionscript 4?
They don't need a new major version. They need a new minor version. A little bigger than the Vector addition. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Actionscript 4?
Actionscript 4 - is a very high level language, you just think it and it appears on screen ;) On 09/11/2010 12:15, Merrill, Jason wrote: Did anyone who attended Max this year hear anything about the status of Actionscript 4? I heard a lot about new tools and HTML 5 support and junk, but I meant to ask the Adobe guys about Actionscript 4 and forgot. And I had ample opportunity too. Anyone heard or know anything about Actionscript 4? I know I can look at the latest ECMA specs to get an idea of what may be coming, but I'm curious about what Adobe's doing and when. Thanks. Jason Merrill Instructional Technology Architect Bank of America Global Learning -- This message w/attachments (message) is intended solely for the use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or proprietary. If you are not an intended recipient, please notify the sender, and then please delete and destroy all copies and attachments, and be advised that any review or dissemination of, or the taking of any action in reliance on, the information contained in or attached to this message is prohibited. Unless specifically indicated, this message is not an offer to sell or a solicitation of any investment products or other financial product or service, an official confirmation of any transaction, or an official statement of Sender. Subject to applicable law, Sender may intercept, monitor, review and retain e-communications (EC) traveling through its networks/systems and may produce any such EC to regulators, law enforcement, in litigation and as required by law. The laws of the country of each sender/recipient may impact the handling of EC, and EC may be archived, supervised and produced in countries other than the country in which you are located. This message cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. References to Sender are references to any subsidiary of Bank of America Corporation. Securities and Insurance Products: * Are Not FDIC Insured * Are Not Bank Guaranteed * May Lose Value * Are Not a Bank Deposit * Are Not a Condition to Any Banking Service or Activity * Are Not Insured by Any Federal Government Agency. Attachments that are part of this EC may have additional important disclosures and disclaimers, which you should read. This message is subject to terms available at the following link: http://www.bankofamerica.com/emaildisclaimer. By messaging with Sender you consent to the foregoing. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Actionscript 4?
Hello Merrill, Look at DSL, metaprogramming, Jetbrains MPS and Realaxy -- Ivan Dembicki http://realaxy.com ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
[Flashcoders] Actionscript 4?
Did anyone who attended Max this year hear anything about the status of Actionscript 4? I heard a lot about new tools and HTML 5 support and junk, but I meant to ask the Adobe guys about Actionscript 4 and forgot. And I had ample opportunity too. Anyone heard or know anything about Actionscript 4? I know I can look at the latest ECMA specs to get an idea of what may be coming, but I'm curious about what Adobe's doing and when. Thanks. Jason Merrill Instructional Technology Architect Bank of America Global Learning -- This message w/attachments (message) is intended solely for the use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or proprietary. If you are not an intended recipient, please notify the sender, and then please delete and destroy all copies and attachments, and be advised that any review or dissemination of, or the taking of any action in reliance on, the information contained in or attached to this message is prohibited. Unless specifically indicated, this message is not an offer to sell or a solicitation of any investment products or other financial product or service, an official confirmation of any transaction, or an official statement of Sender. Subject to applicable law, Sender may intercept, monitor, review and retain e-communications (EC) traveling through its networks/systems and may produce any such EC to regulators, law enforcement, in litigation and as required by law. The laws of the country of each sender/recipient may impact the handling of EC, and EC may be archived, supervised and produced in countries other than the country in which you are located. This message cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. References to Sender are references to any subsidiary of Bank of America Corporation. Securities and Insurance Products: * Are Not FDIC Insured * Are Not Bank Guaranteed * May Lose Value * Are Not a Bank Deposit * Are Not a Condition to Any Banking Service or Activity * Are Not Insured by Any Federal Government Agency. Attachments that are part of this EC may have additional important disclosures and disclaimers, which you should read. This message is subject to terms available at the following link: http://www.bankofamerica.com/emaildisclaimer. By messaging with Sender you consent to the foregoing. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Actionscript 4?
Jason Merrill wrote: Anyone heard or know anything about Actionscript 4? I know I can look at the latest ECMA specs to get an idea of what may be coming, but I'm curious about what Adobe's doing and when. -- Colin Moock talked about it at FIT in Amsterdam, in 2008. A bit dated, but there are some tantalizing tidbits: http://moock.org/lectures/newInECMAScript4/ Or, if you want it straight from the horse's mouth, here's a 40-page pdf, also a couple of years old: http://www.ecmascript.org/es4/spec/overview.pdf Cordially, Kerry Thompson ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Actionscript 4?
Adobe seems intent on following the spec when it comes to their language - which I find completely bizarre. Why follow that spec, but create your own in other areas? I'd be very interested in any news on the subject as well. Kevin N. On 11/9/10 7:15 AM, Merrill, Jason wrote: Did anyone who attended Max this year hear anything about the status of Actionscript 4? I heard a lot about new tools and HTML 5 support and junk, but I meant to ask the Adobe guys about Actionscript 4 and forgot. And I had ample opportunity too. Anyone heard or know anything about Actionscript 4? I know I can look at the latest ECMA specs to get an idea of what may be coming, but I'm curious about what Adobe's doing and when. Thanks. Jason Merrill Instructional Technology Architect Bank of America Global Learning -- This message w/attachments (message) is intended solely for the use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or proprietary. If you are not an intended recipient, please notify the sender, and then please delete and destroy all copies and attachments, and be advised that any review or dissemination of, or the taking of any action in reliance on, the information contained in or attached to this message is prohibited. Unless specifically indicated, this message is not an offer to sell or a solicitation of any investment products or other financial product or service, an official confirmation of any transaction, or an official statement of Sender. Subject to applicable law, Sender may intercept, monitor, review and retain e-communications (EC) traveling through its networks/systems and may produce any such EC to regulators, law enforcement, in litigation and as required by law. The laws of the country of each sender/recipient may impact the handling of EC, and EC may be archived, supervised and produced in countries other than the country in which you are located. This message cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. References to Sender are references to any subsidiary of Bank of America Corporation. Securities and Insurance Products: * Are Not FDIC Insured * Are Not Bank Guaranteed * May Lose Value * Are Not a Bank Deposit * Are Not a Condition to Any Banking Service or Activity * Are Not Insured by Any Federal Government Agency. Attachments that are part of this EC may have additional important disclosures and disclaimers, which you should read. This message is subject to terms available at the following link: http://www.bankofamerica.com/emaildisclaimer. By messaging with Sender you consent to the foregoing. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
RE: [Flashcoders] Actionscript 4?
Thanks Kerry - yeah, I have seen that Moock article, but I'm looking for something more recent. Jason Merrill Instructional Technology Architect Bank of America Global Learning -Original Message- From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com [mailto:flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of Kerry Thompson Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 11:47 AM To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Actionscript 4? Jason Merrill wrote: Anyone heard or know anything about Actionscript 4? I know I can look at the latest ECMA specs to get an idea of what may be coming, but I'm curious about what Adobe's doing and when. -- Colin Moock talked about it at FIT in Amsterdam, in 2008. A bit dated, but there are some tantalizing tidbits: http://moock.org/lectures/newInECMAScript4/ Or, if you want it straight from the horse's mouth, here's a 40-page pdf, also a couple of years old: http://www.ecmascript.org/es4/spec/overview.pdf Cordially, Kerry Thompson ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders -- This message w/attachments (message) is intended solely for the use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or proprietary. If you are not an intended recipient, please notify the sender, and then please delete and destroy all copies and attachments, and be advised that any review or dissemination of, or the taking of any action in reliance on, the information contained in or attached to this message is prohibited. Unless specifically indicated, this message is not an offer to sell or a solicitation of any investment products or other financial product or service, an official confirmation of any transaction, or an official statement of Sender. Subject to applicable law, Sender may intercept, monitor, review and retain e-communications (EC) traveling through its networks/systems and may produce any such EC to regulators, law enforcement, in litigation and as required by law. The laws of the country of each sender/recipient may impact the handling of EC, and EC may be archived, supervised and produced in countries other than the country in which you are located. This message cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. References to Sender are references to any subsidiary of Bank of America Corporation. Securities and Insurance Products: * Are Not FDIC Insured * Are Not Bank Guaranteed * May Lose Value * Are Not a Bank Deposit * Are Not a Condition to Any Banking Service or Activity * Are Not Insured by Any Federal Government Agency. Attachments that are part of this EC may have additional important disclosures and disclaimers, which you should read. This message is subject to terms available at the following link: http://www.bankofamerica.com/emaildisclaimer. By messaging with Sender you consent to the foregoing. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Actionscript 4?
I think we have at least one ECMA Script committee member on the list, Kenneth Kawamoto (I think he works for Adobe). Maybe he'll chime in and tell us what he's allowed to say :-) Cordially, Kerry Thompson Thanks Kerry - yeah, I have seen that Moock article, but I'm looking for something more recent. Jason Merrill Instructional Technology Architect Bank of America Global Learning -Original Message- From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com [mailto:flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of Kerry Thompson Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 11:47 AM To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Actionscript 4? Jason Merrill wrote: Anyone heard or know anything about Actionscript 4? I know I can look at the latest ECMA specs to get an idea of what may be coming, but I'm curious about what Adobe's doing and when. -- Colin Moock talked about it at FIT in Amsterdam, in 2008. A bit dated, but there are some tantalizing tidbits: http://moock.org/lectures/newInECMAScript4/ Or, if you want it straight from the horse's mouth, here's a 40-page pdf, also a couple of years old: http://www.ecmascript.org/es4/spec/overview.pdf Cordially, Kerry Thompson ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders -- This message w/attachments (message) is intended solely for the use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or proprietary. If you are not an intended recipient, please notify the sender, and then please delete and destroy all copies and attachments, and be advised that any review or dissemination of, or the taking of any action in reliance on, the information contained in or attached to this message is prohibited. Unless specifically indicated, this message is not an offer to sell or a solicitation of any investment products or other financial product or service, an official confirmation of any transaction, or an official statement of Sender. Subject to applicable law, Sender may intercept, monitor, review and retain e-communications (EC) traveling through its networks/systems and may produce any such EC to regulators, law enforcement, in litigation and as required by law. The laws of the country of each sender/recipient may impact the handling of EC, and EC may be archived, supervised and produced in countries other than the country in which you are located. This message cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. References to Sender are references to any subsidiary of Bank of America Corporation. Securities and Insurance Products: * Are Not FDIC Insured * Are Not Bank Guaranteed * May Lose Value * Are Not a Bank Deposit * Are Not a Condition to Any Banking Service or Activity * Are Not Insured by Any Federal Government Agency. Attachments that are part of this EC may have additional important disclosures and disclaimers, which you should read. This message is subject to terms available at the following link: http://www.bankofamerica.com/emaildisclaimer. By messaging with Sender you consent to the foregoing. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Actionscript 4?
What?! I don't know which Kenneth Kawamoto you're referring to, Kerry, but I do not work for Adobe and I'm definitely not an ECMA Script Committee member either! May be you got mixed up with someone else from my Director-list days? Anyway it's good to be confused with someone better than I, rather than someone worse than I... ;) Kenneth Kawamoto http://www.materiaprima.co.uk/ On 09/11/2010 18:01, Kerry Thompson wrote: I think we have at least one ECMA Script committee member on the list, Kenneth Kawamoto (I think he works for Adobe). Maybe he'll chime in and tell us what he's allowed to say :-) Cordially, Kerry Thompson Thanks Kerry - yeah, I have seen that Moock article, but I'm looking for something more recent. Jason Merrill Instructional Technology Architect Bank of America Global Learning -Original Message- From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com [mailto:flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of Kerry Thompson Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 11:47 AM To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Actionscript 4? Jason Merrill wrote: Anyone heard or know anything about Actionscript 4? I know I can look at the latest ECMA specs to get an idea of what may be coming, but I'm curious about what Adobe's doing and when. -- Colin Moock talked about it at FIT in Amsterdam, in 2008. A bit dated, but there are some tantalizing tidbits: http://moock.org/lectures/newInECMAScript4/ Or, if you want it straight from the horse's mouth, here's a 40-page pdf, also a couple of years old: http://www.ecmascript.org/es4/spec/overview.pdf Cordially, Kerry Thompson ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
