Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe is my down-ass chick

2011-12-31 Thread Peter Ginneberge
With easily I was meaning that you do not have to teach yourself another programming language: more than that, I'm not scared by 
learning something new, I'm scared by the fact that I will lose all my long experience on Flash and I do not want to!


I understand what you're saying.
When I started learning Java (not so very long ago) I got frustrated by the 
mess that is JSP and Servlets.
That is why I'm so glad I finally found something like GWT to make web apps more or less the way I'm used to in Flex (I stopped 
using Flash around v8).

Meaning, OOP, MVP, etc..
http://code.google.com/intl/nl/webtoolkit/doc/latest/DevGuideMvpActivitiesAndPlaces.html
http://code.google.com/intl/nl/webtoolkit/articles/mvp-architecture.html

If you look at this project structure: 
http://code.google.com/intl/nl/webtoolkit/images/contacts-project-hierarchy.png
That's almost exactly what it would look like in Flex when using Cairngorm for 
instance, but without the Command pattern.
There's libraries out there that do have a Command implementation.

And with GWT you can use a declarative xml like structure for layout, close to 
Flex' MXML:
http://code.google.com/intl/nl/webtoolkit/doc/latest/DevGuideUiBinder.html


So why must I dismiss such a powerful thing like Flash?
Just because it's fancy to say Flash is dead?
What wil happen when softwarehouses that right now are focusing on html 5 (or other things) will finally realize that with flash 
you can export to iPhone, iPad and Android with a simple click and for this reason the developing process is faster than any other 
thing done in another programming language?




I hear ya !
I just love Flex, I really do. The thing is, in a few years time (I'm guessing) 
plugins will be a thing of the past.
Windows 8 is already moving in that direction. So it will simply be a matter of: we 
don't have a choice.

I mentioned this on FlexCoders already. If Adobe - moving away from the Flash plugin - would make FlashBuilder into something that 
spits out HTML/JS web apps much like GWT now does with Java, I'd be all over it. And I'm sure I'm not the only one :)


The power and beauty of ActionScript+MXML to build the apps we're used to and 
not having to touch the ugliness that is JS/HTML.
That'd be my wish for 2012 :)

regards,
Muzak



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Thanks Muzak,
Very interesting links!

However I said easily :-)
With easily I was meaning that you do not have to teach yourself another programming language: more than that, I'm not scared by 
learning something new, I'm scared by the fact that I will lose all my long experience on Flash and I do not want to!


In some time, performance won't be a trouble at all seen the power of the new 
devices.

So why must I dismiss such a powerful thing like Flash?
Just because it's fancy to say Flash is dead?
What wil happen when softwarehouses that right now are focusing on html 5 (or other things) will finally realize that with flash 
you can export to iPhone, iPad and Android with a simple click and for this reason the developing process is faster than any other 
thing done in another programming language?


So right now, I stay with Flash.

Happy new year to everyone.


Il 31/12/2011 03:27, Peter Ginneberge ha scritto:

Sorry for the late reply..


With your new chicks can you easily make web apps, desktop apps, android apps 
and ios apps?


Yup, except for desktop.

Once compiled, they're plain HTML/JS apps.
Mind you, I haven't done any Android and/or iOS apps  with GWT yet.

Just goodle GTW ios for instance and you'll find the stuff you need.

Here's a how-to - note the date -- 2007.
http://code.google.com/intl/en/webtoolkit/articles/gwt-iphone.html
The article is for GWT 1.4. The current version is 2.4 and alot has changed 
(improved) since then.

And there's all sorts of additional libraries available for all kinds of 
development.
Smart GWT: http://code.google.com/p/smartgwt/
GWT Mobile: http://code.google.com/p/gwt-mobile-webkit/
Ext GWT: http://www.sencha.com/products/extgwt/
etc..

As for desktop apps, you could wrap your GWT with AIR :)

regards,
Muzak





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Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe is my down-ass chick

2011-12-28 Thread Karl DeSaulniers

+1

I laughed so hard I popped an eyeball..
I'm going to go tuck it back in and get back to my jQuery now.


Karl

On Dec 28, 2011, at 12:26 PM, Merrill, Jason wrote:


Hahahaa!!

Jason Merrill
Instructional Technology Architect II
Bank of America  Global Learning





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Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 1:11 PM
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Subject: [Flashcoders] Adobe is my down-ass chick

Every time I get an email from Adobe, it's like a booty call from  
that sexy chick I used to go out with. She may not be perfect, but  
she was usually good to go and was always willing to try new things.  
Now she has this hot new friend I've been messing with, and I can  
tell they're just about to ménage, so still I take the calls now and  
then just to make sure she's keeping herself in good shape and  
getting on with my new chick.
Sure, we're never getting back in an exclusive relationship, but as  
long as she's willing to party, I'll keep her around until I find my  
next true love.


Ross P. Sclafani
Owner / Creative Director
Neuromantic Industries
http://www.neuromantic.com
http://ross.sclafani.net
http://www.twitter.com/rosssclafani
347.204.5714

On Dec 28, 2011, at 12:18 PM, Merrill, Jason jason.merr...@bankofamerica.com 
 wrote:


I asked myself something today. Why does it feel like whenever I  
get marketing e-mails from Adobe, it feels like an out-of-the-blue  
friendly text message from an ex-girlfriend. One who I used to love  
and was awesome, but now I want nothing to do with other than the  
occasional stalking on Facebook to see if she married some loser  
and has let herself go.


Oh wait, I know why.

Jason Merrill
Instructional Technology Architect II
Bank of America  Global Learning





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