RE: [Flashcoders] Faking 3D perspective of a 2D map in Flash 8..?

2006-11-14 Thread Ben Smeets
Oe, I'm liking this one very much.

More background would be greatly appreciated :D 

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Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Faking 3D perspective of a 2D map in Flash 8..?

We did this at FlashCodersBrighton :
http://www.flashcodersbrighton.org/wordpress/?cat=1

We used a mode7 style technique. It was actually a bit complicated, but maybe 
I'll post a blog about it if enough people are interested?

cheers!

Seb Lee-Delisle
http://sebleedelisle.com

On 10/11/06, Andrew Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello.

 I'm trying to take a vector map of North America and produce the sense 
 of 'flying over' it.  I want to have the flat map tipped along the X 
 axis, so that the bottom (Florida, Texas, etc.) appear closer and the 
 top (Nunuvut, Greenland, etc.) appear farther away.

 Then I want to be able to pan the map left and right, up and down, and 
 'zoom' in by scaling it.. scaling it a little faster vertically so 
 that it seems to flatten out a bit as you get closer to the ground.

 So far I've only been able to achieve that in Illustrator and then 
 saving the perspectively squished vectors as a .swf  What I'd love to 
 do is to get that perspective squish done within Flash 8 using script.

 I know about 3D program extensions for Flash like Sandy, but I find 
 them cryptic (at best) and over kill for my simple needs.

 Any suggestions..?

 Thanks. :)


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Re: [Flashcoders] Faking 3D perspective of a 2D map in Flash 8..?

2006-11-14 Thread Jake Prime

Hi Seb

Seconded. If you find the time I'd love to read that blog.

Jake

On 14/11/06, Ben Smeets [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Oe, I'm liking this one very much.

More background would be greatly appreciated :D

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Seb L
Sent: maandag 13 november 2006 11:33
To: Flashcoders mailing list
Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Faking 3D perspective of a 2D map in Flash 8..?

We did this at FlashCodersBrighton :
http://www.flashcodersbrighton.org/wordpress/?cat=1

We used a mode7 style technique. It was actually a bit complicated, but maybe 
I'll post a blog about it if enough people are interested?

cheers!

Seb Lee-Delisle
http://sebleedelisle.com

On 10/11/06, Andrew Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello.

 I'm trying to take a vector map of North America and produce the sense
 of 'flying over' it.  I want to have the flat map tipped along the X
 axis, so that the bottom (Florida, Texas, etc.) appear closer and the
 top (Nunuvut, Greenland, etc.) appear farther away.

 Then I want to be able to pan the map left and right, up and down, and
 'zoom' in by scaling it.. scaling it a little faster vertically so
 that it seems to flatten out a bit as you get closer to the ground.

 So far I've only been able to achieve that in Illustrator and then
 saving the perspectively squished vectors as a .swf  What I'd love to
 do is to get that perspective squish done within Flash 8 using script.

 I know about 3D program extensions for Flash like Sandy, but I find
 them cryptic (at best) and over kill for my simple needs.

 Any suggestions..?

 Thanks. :)


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Re: [Flashcoders] Faking 3D perspective of a 2D map in Flash 8..?

2006-11-14 Thread Seb L

OK it's on my list, but I'm not sure when that'll be... I have a whole
lot of 3D tutorials to prepare for Flash on the Beach first...

But I have an rss if you want to be the first to see...
http://sebleedelisle.com/?feed=rss2

cheers

Seb Lee-Delisle
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On 14/11/06, Jake Prime [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi Seb

Seconded. If you find the time I'd love to read that blog.

Jake

On 14/11/06, Ben Smeets [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Oe, I'm liking this one very much.

 More background would be greatly appreciated :D

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Seb L
 Sent: maandag 13 november 2006 11:33
 To: Flashcoders mailing list
 Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Faking 3D perspective of a 2D map in Flash 8..?

 We did this at FlashCodersBrighton :
 http://www.flashcodersbrighton.org/wordpress/?cat=1

 We used a mode7 style technique. It was actually a bit complicated, but 
maybe I'll post a blog about it if enough people are interested?

 cheers!

 Seb Lee-Delisle
 http://sebleedelisle.com

 On 10/11/06, Andrew Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hello.
 
  I'm trying to take a vector map of North America and produce the sense
  of 'flying over' it.  I want to have the flat map tipped along the X
  axis, so that the bottom (Florida, Texas, etc.) appear closer and the
  top (Nunuvut, Greenland, etc.) appear farther away.
 
  Then I want to be able to pan the map left and right, up and down, and
  'zoom' in by scaling it.. scaling it a little faster vertically so
  that it seems to flatten out a bit as you get closer to the ground.
 
  So far I've only been able to achieve that in Illustrator and then
  saving the perspectively squished vectors as a .swf  What I'd love to
  do is to get that perspective squish done within Flash 8 using script.
 
  I know about 3D program extensions for Flash like Sandy, but I find
  them cryptic (at best) and over kill for my simple needs.
 
  Any suggestions..?
 
  Thanks. :)
 
 
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Re: [Flashcoders] Faking 3D perspective of a 2D map in Flash 8..?

2006-11-13 Thread Seb L

We did this at FlashCodersBrighton :
http://www.flashcodersbrighton.org/wordpress/?cat=1

We used a mode7 style technique. It was actually a bit complicated,
but maybe I'll post a blog about it if enough people are interested?

cheers!

Seb Lee-Delisle
http://sebleedelisle.com

On 10/11/06, Andrew Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hello.

I'm trying to take a vector map of North America and produce the sense of
'flying over' it.  I want to have the flat map tipped along the X axis, so
that the bottom (Florida, Texas, etc.) appear closer and the top (Nunuvut,
Greenland, etc.) appear farther away.

Then I want to be able to pan the map left and right, up and down, and
'zoom' in by scaling it.. scaling it a little faster vertically so that it
seems to flatten out a bit as you get closer to the ground.

So far I've only been able to achieve that in Illustrator and then saving
the perspectively squished vectors as a .swf  What I'd love to do is to get
that perspective squish done within Flash 8 using script.

I know about 3D program extensions for Flash like Sandy, but I find them
cryptic (at best) and over kill for my simple needs.

Any suggestions..?

Thanks. :)


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RE: [Flashcoders] Faking 3D perspective of a 2D map in Flash 8..?

2006-11-13 Thread Andrew Murphy
Thank you for all the great advice! :)


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Re: [Flashcoders] Faking 3D perspective of a 2D map in Flash 8..?

2006-11-12 Thread Hans Wichman

do you mean something like this:
http://www.strille.net/works/misc/z_mapping/z_mapping.html

greetz
JC


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This site will hopefully help you on your way

http://www.kirupa.com/developer/actionscript/3dindex.htm



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Sent: 10 November 2006 18:32
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Subject: [Flashcoders] Faking 3D perspective of a 2D map in Flash 8..?

Hello.

I'm trying to take a vector map of North America and produce the sense of
'flying over' it.  I want to have the flat map tipped along the X axis, so
that the bottom (Florida, Texas, etc.) appear closer and the top (Nunuvut,
Greenland, etc.) appear farther away.

Then I want to be able to pan the map left and right, up and down, and
'zoom' in by scaling it.. scaling it a little faster vertically so that it
seems to flatten out a bit as you get closer to the ground.

So far I've only been able to achieve that in Illustrator and then saving
the perspectively squished vectors as a .swf  What I'd love to do is to
get
that perspective squish done within Flash 8 using script.

I know about 3D program extensions for Flash like Sandy, but I find them
cryptic (at best) and over kill for my simple needs.

Any suggestions..?

Thanks. :)


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Re: [Flashcoders] Faking 3D perspective of a 2D map in Flash 8..?

2006-11-12 Thread Mike Nowak
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/10/2006 1:32:09 PM 
Hello.
 
I'm trying to take a vector map of North America and produce the sense of
'flying over' it.  I want to have the flat map tipped along the X axis, so
that the bottom (Florida, Texas, etc.) appear closer and the top (Nunuvut,
Greenland, etc.) appear farther away.



Like so?
 
http://www.kaourantin.net/2006/11/spidermonkeys-relative-tamarin-joins.html 


 

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[Flashcoders] Faking 3D perspective of a 2D map in Flash 8..?

2006-11-10 Thread Andrew Murphy
Hello.
 
I'm trying to take a vector map of North America and produce the sense of
'flying over' it.  I want to have the flat map tipped along the X axis, so
that the bottom (Florida, Texas, etc.) appear closer and the top (Nunuvut,
Greenland, etc.) appear farther away.
 
Then I want to be able to pan the map left and right, up and down, and
'zoom' in by scaling it.. scaling it a little faster vertically so that it
seems to flatten out a bit as you get closer to the ground.
 
So far I've only been able to achieve that in Illustrator and then saving
the perspectively squished vectors as a .swf  What I'd love to do is to get
that perspective squish done within Flash 8 using script.
 
I know about 3D program extensions for Flash like Sandy, but I find them
cryptic (at best) and over kill for my simple needs.
 
Any suggestions..?
 
Thanks. :)
 

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RE: [Flashcoders] Faking 3D perspective of a 2D map in Flash 8..?

2006-11-10 Thread Paul Steven
This site will hopefully help you on your way

http://www.kirupa.com/developer/actionscript/3dindex.htm



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Subject: [Flashcoders] Faking 3D perspective of a 2D map in Flash 8..?

Hello.
 
I'm trying to take a vector map of North America and produce the sense of
'flying over' it.  I want to have the flat map tipped along the X axis, so
that the bottom (Florida, Texas, etc.) appear closer and the top (Nunuvut,
Greenland, etc.) appear farther away.
 
Then I want to be able to pan the map left and right, up and down, and
'zoom' in by scaling it.. scaling it a little faster vertically so that it
seems to flatten out a bit as you get closer to the ground.
 
So far I've only been able to achieve that in Illustrator and then saving
the perspectively squished vectors as a .swf  What I'd love to do is to get
that perspective squish done within Flash 8 using script.
 
I know about 3D program extensions for Flash like Sandy, but I find them
cryptic (at best) and over kill for my simple needs.
 
Any suggestions..?
 
Thanks. :)
 

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Re: [Flashcoders] Faking 3D perspective of a 2D map in Flash 8..?

2006-11-10 Thread Zeh Fernando

So far I've only been able to achieve that in Illustrator and then saving
the perspectively squished vectors as a .swf  What I'd love to do is to 
get

that perspective squish done within Flash 8 using script.
I know about 3D program extensions for Flash like Sandy, but I find them
cryptic (at best) and over kill for my simple needs.


Using something like Sandy is the only choice you have. For example:

http://sandy.media-box.net/blog/distortimage-20-the-fastest-way-to-freely-distort-image-with-flash-in-actionscript.html
http://sandy.media-box.net/blog/distordimage-the-way-to-distord-bitmaps-by-code.html

You need something like this. This is done by dividing an image in triangles 
and then projecting them.


But you'd still have to be careful, as simple distortion ISN'T perspective. 
The above examples are simply distorting the image, but not accounting for 
proximity (it's just squishing the texture). If you get a side too thin, 
it'll just look thin, not far.


This is an old example, but uses a similar approach but with correct 
calculation (each side of the box is made of 4 triangles):


http://www.nkag.co.jp/

For something like that, you'd need to either build a complex plane with 
Sandy, using a bunch of squares (so it will do correct perspective, or close 
to it anyways), or build the whole calculation and projection yourself. 
Which can be done, but will probably take some time.


If you have a VERY simple drawing, you could directly draw it using the 
drawing API. You'd need to encode all your points and redraw based on 3d 
positions. This would be the best choice quality wise, but again depends on 
how your 'image' is, and could be quite slow.




Zeh 


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