RE: [Flashcoders] Using Flash with Ruby on Rails
Here here :) Trust me, when you start using it, you'll be amazed... The part I like most is the portability. I can't see any reason you couldn't run haXe from a CD if that's what you wanted. Lee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nicolas Cannasse Sent: 23 March 2006 20:30 To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Using Flash with Ruby on Rails I don't get it. Whether one uses Ruby, PHP or mothers_mouthwash, all one is doing is using xmlSendAndLoad() (or similar function) to call a script and retrieve results. What's the big deal? Most of the time, you need to encode some kind of values into XML, then decode them on the other side. This XML protocol need to evolve with your application, everytime you need to add a new functionality. Also, you get virtualy 0 warantee that of what will happen if the protocol is not respected, if an attribute is forgotten for example. This can open a lot of holes in your application that can be exploited (you might not care at all but it's important in some particular cases). In haXe what you will be able to do is to just do some calls between server and client transparently just like you'ld do method calls, and send data over the network (not xml, but structured objects) just like Remoting. But in haXe, you will also be able to send *classes* through the network, since it's the same language it's ok as long as the class is available on the other side as well. Other nice features includes : - a very Fexible type system : strongly typed by default, with Dynamic features to write dynamicly type stuff when you don't feel like being bothered. - type inference so you don't have to write types everywhere - conditional compilation : you can make some specific optimizations for Flash8 / Flash8.5, have different compilable versions (like Release and Debug) and everything else you need - a fast reusable compiler, just like MTASC - improved runtime errors reporting - quick usability, if you now already ActionScript or JavaScript, jumping to haXe is pretty straightforward - the ability to reuse some part of your code on the server and client side at the same time (rewriting complex form validation code on the client in JS and on the server in PHP is NOT funny :) - 30 times faster VM than PHP, if you're interested in speed ... and much more Nicolas ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] Using Flash with Ruby on Rails
Ruby can handle XML... That's all that's required. If Ruby is all you can handle, then use it. It is more than enough for your needs, but as your programming skills develop (and they definitely will), you'll want a more portable system. Lee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chad Royer Sent: 23 March 2006 22:13 To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Using Flash with Ruby on Rails Here's where I'm coming from. Like I said, I'm more of a designer than a programmer. I really grasp the logic behind OO structures so I'm able to understand what I need to accomplish with my code to get things working nicely, but I don't have a 'words' brain, so if I'm not writing in a particular language every day, I quickly forget what I know as far as actual syntax and code structure. I can write with php, but it takes a long time to step thru simple things and make them work, and if I go a few days without writing php then I have to figure it all out again. I can do quite a bit in Actionscript, since that's really where I started, but I only have room in my brain for so much of that stuff, and even some of the advanced AS stuff flies right thru my head without making any serious contact. That was what I found attractive about ruby on rails... that I can focus on logical application structure and make things work pretty well without having to deal with syntax details that I just can't seem to keep in my noggin. For most of the things I do, simple database connectivity is really enough, but I'm also trying to build some applications that are quite a bit more complex. Ultimately for the more complex projects, I'd prefer to be able to knock out a prototype that 'works' relatively quickly and without having to learn all of PHP or whatever, then hire a 'real' programmer to make it all proper. RoR also seems like it would make it very easy to deal with building both xhtml/css versions and flash versions of the same site. Again, I know that can be done with php and everything else, but would involve much more actual coding to do so. I just started looking into RoR a couple of days ago, so I haven't decided that it's the king setup or anything like that, but it seems to work the way I think. The only thing I hadn't been able to find much info about is how to get results from ruby to flash. If it's just a matter of pumping xml out of RoR and parsing it in flash, then cool... If there's something that could work better, given my perspective, I'd be happy to hear about that too. To me, haxe looks like AS with just enough subtle differences to confuse the hell outa me, tho I do understand what they're doing. I hope that clarifies what I'm getting at... if RoR is suitable as a backend for flash, essentially, and what needs to be done to pass variables back and forth. I'm not interested in 'chasing the language of the day' as you put it, either. I'd like to find one setup that works for me and stick with it. thanks once again. and thanks also to chris allen for your insight on haxe, and to mark daggett for the answer I was really looking for... I would love to see some examples of how you set up that integration with JSON and the javascript integration kit (tho if I could do it without javascript I think I'd be happier). -chad Message: 8 Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 15:18:59 -0400 From: Miles Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Using Flash with Ruby on Rails To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-FBA73C4 I don't get it. Whether one uses Ruby, PHP or mothers_mouthwash, all one is doing is using xmlSendAndLoad() (or similar function) to call a script and retrieve results. What's the big deal? If the question is what language / framework should I use to establish an app to manage the data, and incidentally fetch it for Flash, then a framework makes sense - RoR, Cake, ... whatever you are comfortable and productive with? (I'm a PHP guy myself - stopped chasing language of the month years ago.) Regards - Miles ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Using Flash with Ruby on Rails
I've written php for years, and only had time to have a little play with ruby so far, but if i was in your shoes, i'd go for RoR, not cake.. Don't mess with it, kids http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa/cm199596/cmhansrd/vo960723/text/60723w10.htm#60723w10.html_wqn10 Danny ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] Using Flash with Ruby on Rails
I used to use GammaHydroxyButyrate back in my bodybuilding days (don't laugh, it's true). Used to double the effects of some of the other supplements I used. It's safe to take, but some people found it enhanced the effects of hardcore drugs, so it was taken off the market... Well, made illegal. Damn snotty nosed, pimple faced, doped up drug taking little sons of somethingorothers. Lee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Danny Kodicek Sent: 24 March 2006 11:18 To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Using Flash with Ruby on Rails I've written php for years, and only had time to have a little play with ruby so far, but if i was in your shoes, i'd go for RoR, not cake.. Don't mess with it, kids http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa/cm199596/cmhansrd/v o960723/text/60723w10.htm#60723w10.html_wqn10 Danny ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Using Flash with Ruby on Rails
I used to use GammaHydroxyButyrate back in my bodybuilding days (don't laugh, it's true). Used to double the effects of some of the other supplements I used. It's safe to take, but some people found it enhanced the effects of hardcore drugs, so it was taken off the market... Well, made illegal. Yes, but did you ever take Cake? Ever suffer the horrors of Czech Neck? Sorry, way OT - I'll stop now. Danny 'It influences a part of the brain called Shatner's Bassoon' ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Using Flash with Ruby on Rails
?? czech neck? what the heck is that? Kodicek sounds to me as czech surname, are you oriignaly from Czech Rep ? cheers Martin.cz - Original Message - From: Danny Kodicek [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Flashcoders mailing list flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 12:52 PM Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Using Flash with Ruby on Rails I used to use GammaHydroxyButyrate back in my bodybuilding days (don't laugh, it's true). Used to double the effects of some of the other supplements I used. It's safe to take, but some people found it enhanced the effects of hardcore drugs, so it was taken off the market... Well, made illegal. Yes, but did you ever take Cake? Ever suffer the horrors of Czech Neck? Sorry, way OT - I'll stop now. Danny 'It influences a part of the brain called Shatner's Bassoon' ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Using Flash with Ruby on Rails
It's safe to take, but some people found it enhanced the effects of hardcore drugs, so it was taken off the market... Well, made illegal. I think it was more that some people found they could knock out girls with it - (the date rape drug). I'd venture to guess that's why it became illegal. Dave - Adobe Community Expert www.blurredistinction.com www.macromedia.com/support/forums/team_macromedia/ ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] Using Flash with Ruby on Rails
It was also the only way to get a safe buzz when going out with friends at a party if you were training and couldn't have alcohol. Not saying it was smart... It is really safe though when used properly, like anything else. :) It was legal, and OTC till 1990... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lee McColl-Sylvester Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:33 AM To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Using Flash with Ruby on Rails I used to use GammaHydroxyButyrate back in my bodybuilding days (don't laugh, it's true). Used to double the effects of some of the other supplements I used. It's safe to take, but some people found it enhanced the effects of hardcore drugs, so it was taken off the market... Well, made illegal. Damn snotty nosed, pimple faced, doped up drug taking little sons of somethingorothers. Lee ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Using Flash with Ruby on Rails
'It influences a part of the brain called Shatner's Bassoon' I'm stealing that. :-P ryanm ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
[Flashcoders] Using Flash with Ruby on Rails
Hi All, Was considering ruby on rails as a backend platform for flash apps, as it seems much quicker to set up database/sql transactions than using PHP. I have some little experience with PHP, but I'm at the point where I pretty much need to relearn it or pick something else, so I thought now might be a good time to check out RoR. I haven't been able to find much information at all about how Flash/AS2 might communicate with a Ruby on Rails app. One person suggested a couple of javascript implementations, but I'd prefer to avoid javascript if I can. Has anybody had any experience/success using these together, or should I just stick with PHP? thanks in advance, chad ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Using Flash with Ruby on Rails
Hi All, Was considering ruby on rails as a backend platform for flash apps, as it seems much quicker to set up database/sql transactions than using PHP. I have some little experience with PHP, but I'm at the point where I pretty much need to relearn it or pick something else, so I thought now might be a good time to check out RoR. I haven't been able to find much information at all about how Flash/AS2 might communicate with a Ruby on Rails app. One person suggested a couple of javascript implementations, but I'd prefer to avoid javascript if I can. Has anybody had any experience/success using these together, or should I just stick with PHP? thanks in advance, chad You can also have a look at haXe (http://haxe.org) Nicolas ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] Using Flash with Ruby on Rails
I'll use this time to plug haXe / neko. Well, haXe includes neko. Using this amazing new system, you can build your swf's and build the website backend for the functionality. haXe and Neko are open source and although very small, they are also very very fast and feature rich. Plus, the dependencies for haXe / Neko are minimal compared to Ruby, Python or PHP. As for the data transport, you can use XML calls to and from, though a much more robust remoting is due in the future. Trust me, learn it now and be at the forefront. Look at www.haxe.org and www.nekovm.org Lee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chad Royer Sent: 23 March 2006 16:49 To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: [Flashcoders] Using Flash with Ruby on Rails Hi All, Was considering ruby on rails as a backend platform for flash apps, as it seems much quicker to set up database/sql transactions than using PHP. I have some little experience with PHP, but I'm at the point where I pretty much need to relearn it or pick something else, so I thought now might be a good time to check out RoR. I haven't been able to find much information at all about how Flash/AS2 might communicate with a Ruby on Rails app. One person suggested a couple of javascript implementations, but I'd prefer to avoid javascript if I can. Has anybody had any experience/success using these together, or should I just stick with PHP? thanks in advance, chad ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] Using Flash with Ruby on Rails
Lmao Nicolas... I just sent details on this Trying to plug it as I promised... Lee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nicolas Cannasse Sent: 23 March 2006 16:57 To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Using Flash with Ruby on Rails Hi All, Was considering ruby on rails as a backend platform for flash apps, as it seems much quicker to set up database/sql transactions than using PHP. I have some little experience with PHP, but I'm at the point where I pretty much need to relearn it or pick something else, so I thought now might be a good time to check out RoR. I haven't been able to find much information at all about how Flash/AS2 might communicate with a Ruby on Rails app. One person suggested a couple of javascript implementations, but I'd prefer to avoid javascript if I can. Has anybody had any experience/success using these together, or should I just stick with PHP? thanks in advance, chad You can also have a look at haXe (http://haxe.org) Nicolas ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] Using Flash with Ruby on Rails
Yeah, a RoR port of remoting would be dope. Hmm... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chad Royer Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 8:49 AM To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: [Flashcoders] Using Flash with Ruby on Rails Hi All, Was considering ruby on rails as a backend platform for flash apps, as it seems much quicker to set up database/sql transactions than using PHP. I have some little experience with PHP, but I'm at the point where I pretty much need to relearn it or pick something else, so I thought now might be a good time to check out RoR. I haven't been able to find much information at all about how Flash/AS2 might communicate with a Ruby on Rails app. One person suggested a couple of javascript implementations, but I'd prefer to avoid javascript if I can. Has anybody had any experience/success using these together, or should I just stick with PHP? thanks in advance, chad ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Using Flash with Ruby on Rails
i remember some talk somewhere that Patrick Mineault was working on something that combined cake (the php framework) and amfphp...i dont know if anything is coming of that though. On 3/23/06, Ettwein, Josh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, a RoR port of remoting would be dope. Hmm... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chad Royer Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 8:49 AM To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: [Flashcoders] Using Flash with Ruby on Rails Hi All, Was considering ruby on rails as a backend platform for flash apps, as it seems much quicker to set up database/sql transactions than using PHP. I have some little experience with PHP, but I'm at the point where I pretty much need to relearn it or pick something else, so I thought now might be a good time to check out RoR. I haven't been able to find much information at all about how Flash/AS2 might communicate with a Ruby on Rails app. One person suggested a couple of javascript implementations, but I'd prefer to avoid javascript if I can. Has anybody had any experience/success using these together, or should I just stick with PHP? thanks in advance, chad ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] Using Flash with Ruby on Rails
thanks, but at first glance I can't see what advantages haxe might have over ror... really it looks like it'd be just as easy to write PHP as it is to write haxe. When comparing to RoR, it's oop structure, db migration abilities, and being able to get so much from just typing scaffold, I can't say haxe is nearly as attractive. I'm not a hard-core coder type, I'm more of a designer with enough coding skills to get it done, and my head hurts from having to learn new languages every week. So without getting away from my original question, I'd also like to hear some explanation of just exactly what haxe/neko can do that I can't do with ror, or just actionscript and php. thanks again, chad On Mar 23, 2006, at 9:00 AM, flashcoders- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 17:01:58 - From: Lee McColl-Sylvester [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Using Flash with Ruby on Rails To: Flashcoders mailing list flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] group.local Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'll use this time to plug haXe / neko. Well, haXe includes neko. Using this amazing new system, you can build your swf's and build the website backend for the functionality. haXe and Neko are open source and although very small, they are also very very fast and feature rich. Plus, the dependencies for haXe / Neko are minimal compared to Ruby, Python or PHP. As for the data transport, you can use XML calls to and from, though a much more robust remoting is due in the future. Trust me, learn it now and be at the forefront. Look at www.haxe.org and www.nekovm.org Lee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chad Royer Sent: 23 March 2006 16:49 To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: [Flashcoders] Using Flash with Ruby on Rails Hi All, Was considering ruby on rails as a backend platform for flash apps, as it seems much quicker to set up database/sql transactions than using PHP. I have some little experience with PHP, but I'm at the point where I pretty much need to relearn it or pick something else, so I thought now might be a good time to check out RoR. I haven't been able to find much information at all about how Flash/AS2 might communicate with a Ruby on Rails app. One person suggested a couple of javascript implementations, but I'd prefer to avoid javascript if I can. Has anybody had any experience/success using these together, or should I just stick with PHP? thanks in advance, chad ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Using Flash with Ruby on Rails
Hi Chad, While I haven't had the chance to play around with Haxe yet, I do understand what it is Nicolas is going for when creating this language. The idea is that you can use one nicely thought out language for both the client-side development (in your case Flash) as well as the server-side. The thing that changes is the libraries for each of the environments. It's really quite a clever idea and I hope it gets some traction. I know that I spend my time switching back and forth between Java and AS2 all day, and it would be nice to work with just one syntax. I'm not sure if there are many functional advantages over using Haxe versus Ruby on Rails or PHP. But, apparently it's a lot nicer to code in than ActionScript (in fact it uses some of the features that Ruby has). I know that Nicolas would be able to cover the language features better than me. Haxe, is still new and finding ISPs that will host it might be a problem. Obviously PHP is a good choice if you need a lot of flexibility in finding cheap hosting situations. Anyway, I hope that helps. -Chris On 3/23/06, Chad Royer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thanks, but at first glance I can't see what advantages haxe might have over ror... really it looks like it'd be just as easy to write PHP as it is to write haxe. When comparing to RoR, it's oop structure, db migration abilities, and being able to get so much from just typing scaffold, I can't say haxe is nearly as attractive. I'm not a hard-core coder type, I'm more of a designer with enough coding skills to get it done, and my head hurts from having to learn new languages every week. So without getting away from my original question, I'd also like to hear some explanation of just exactly what haxe/neko can do that I can't do with ror, or just actionscript and php. thanks again, chad On Mar 23, 2006, at 9:00 AM, flashcoders- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 17:01:58 - From: Lee McColl-Sylvester [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Using Flash with Ruby on Rails To: Flashcoders mailing list flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] group.local Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'll use this time to plug haXe / neko. Well, haXe includes neko. Using this amazing new system, you can build your swf's and build the website backend for the functionality. haXe and Neko are open source and although very small, they are also very very fast and feature rich. Plus, the dependencies for haXe / Neko are minimal compared to Ruby, Python or PHP. As for the data transport, you can use XML calls to and from, though a much more robust remoting is due in the future. Trust me, learn it now and be at the forefront. Look at www.haxe.org and www.nekovm.org Lee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chad Royer Sent: 23 March 2006 16:49 To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: [Flashcoders] Using Flash with Ruby on Rails Hi All, Was considering ruby on rails as a backend platform for flash apps, as it seems much quicker to set up database/sql transactions than using PHP. I have some little experience with PHP, but I'm at the point where I pretty much need to relearn it or pick something else, so I thought now might be a good time to check out RoR. I haven't been able to find much information at all about how Flash/AS2 might communicate with a Ruby on Rails app. One person suggested a couple of javascript implementations, but I'd prefer to avoid javascript if I can. Has anybody had any experience/success using these together, or should I just stick with PHP? thanks in advance, chad ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] Using Flash with Ruby on Rails
I don't get it. Whether one uses Ruby, PHP or mothers_mouthwash, all one is doing is using xmlSendAndLoad() (or similar function) to call a script and retrieve results. What's the big deal? If the question is what language / framework should I use to establish an app to manage the data, and incidentally fetch it for Flash, then a framework makes sense - RoR, Cake, ... whatever you are comfortable and productive with? (I'm a PHP guy myself - stopped chasing language of the month years ago.) Regards - Miles At 02:48 PM 3/23/2006, Chad Royer wrote: thanks, but at first glance I can't see what advantages haxe might have over ror... really it looks like it'd be just as easy to write PHP as it is to write haxe. When comparing to RoR, it's oop structure, db migration abilities, and being able to get so much from just typing scaffold, I can't say haxe is nearly as attractive. I'm not a hard-core coder type, I'm more of a designer with enough coding skills to get it done, and my head hurts from having to learn new languages every week. So without getting away from my original question, I'd also like to hear some explanation of just exactly what haxe/neko can do that I can't do with ror, or just actionscript and php. thanks again, chad On Mar 23, 2006, at 9:00 AM, flashcoders- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 17:01:58 - From: Lee McColl-Sylvester [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Using Flash with Ruby on Rails To: Flashcoders mailing list flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] group.local Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'll use this time to plug haXe / neko. Well, haXe includes neko. Using this amazing new system, you can build your swf's and build the website backend for the functionality. haXe and Neko are open source and although very small, they are also very very fast and feature rich. Plus, the dependencies for haXe / Neko are minimal compared to Ruby, Python or PHP. As for the data transport, you can use XML calls to and from, though a much more robust remoting is due in the future. Trust me, learn it now and be at the forefront. Look at www.haxe.org and www.nekovm.org Lee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chad Royer Sent: 23 March 2006 16:49 To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: [Flashcoders] Using Flash with Ruby on Rails Hi All, Was considering ruby on rails as a backend platform for flash apps, as it seems much quicker to set up database/sql transactions than using PHP. I have some little experience with PHP, but I'm at the point where I pretty much need to relearn it or pick something else, so I thought now might be a good time to check out RoR. I haven't been able to find much information at all about how Flash/AS2 might communicate with a Ruby on Rails app. One person suggested a couple of javascript implementations, but I'd prefer to avoid javascript if I can. Has anybody had any experience/success using these together, or should I just stick with PHP? thanks in advance, chad ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.2.6/288 - Release Date: 3/22/2006 ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Using Flash with Ruby on Rails
I am using flash and ROR very nicely with the javascript integration kit and the JSON gem to serialize ROR objects into something Flash can use. I have had lots of success with it and whats nice is that it is platform neutral, you can easily take advantage of the ROR framework now and if you don't like it move the codebase to PHP and just keep JSON as the middle layer. However, if you want to do deep objects like circular references etc, this may not be the solution for you. Later, Mark On 3/23/06, Miles Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't get it. Whether one uses Ruby, PHP or mothers_mouthwash, all one is doing is using xmlSendAndLoad() (or similar function) to call a script and retrieve results. What's the big deal? If the question is what language / framework should I use to establish an app to manage the data, and incidentally fetch it for Flash, then a framework makes sense - RoR, Cake, ... whatever you are comfortable and productive with? (I'm a PHP guy myself - stopped chasing language of the month years ago.) Regards - Miles At 02:48 PM 3/23/2006, Chad Royer wrote: thanks, but at first glance I can't see what advantages haxe might have over ror... really it looks like it'd be just as easy to write PHP as it is to write haxe. When comparing to RoR, it's oop structure, db migration abilities, and being able to get so much from just typing scaffold, I can't say haxe is nearly as attractive. I'm not a hard-core coder type, I'm more of a designer with enough coding skills to get it done, and my head hurts from having to learn new languages every week. So without getting away from my original question, I'd also like to hear some explanation of just exactly what haxe/neko can do that I can't do with ror, or just actionscript and php. thanks again, chad On Mar 23, 2006, at 9:00 AM, flashcoders- [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 17:01:58 - From: Lee McColl-Sylvester [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Using Flash with Ruby on Rails To: Flashcoders mailing list flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] group.local Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'll use this time to plug haXe / neko. Well, haXe includes neko. Using this amazing new system, you can build your swf's and build the website backend for the functionality. haXe and Neko are open source and although very small, they are also very very fast and feature rich. Plus, the dependencies for haXe / Neko are minimal compared to Ruby, Python or PHP. As for the data transport, you can use XML calls to and from, though a much more robust remoting is due in the future. Trust me, learn it now and be at the forefront. Look at www.haxe.org and www.nekovm.org Lee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chad Royer Sent: 23 March 2006 16:49 To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: [Flashcoders] Using Flash with Ruby on Rails Hi All, Was considering ruby on rails as a backend platform for flash apps, as it seems much quicker to set up database/sql transactions than using PHP. I have some little experience with PHP, but I'm at the point where I pretty much need to relearn it or pick something else, so I thought now might be a good time to check out RoR. I haven't been able to find much information at all about how Flash/AS2 might communicate with a Ruby on Rails app. One person suggested a couple of javascript implementations, but I'd prefer to avoid javascript if I can. Has anybody had any experience/success using these together, or should I just stick with PHP? thanks in advance, chad ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.2.6/288 - Release Date: 3/22/2006 ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com -- I am Mark Daggett and I approve this message. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http
Re: [Flashcoders] Using Flash with Ruby on Rails
I don't get it. Whether one uses Ruby, PHP or mothers_mouthwash, all one is doing is using xmlSendAndLoad() (or similar function) to call a script and retrieve results. What's the big deal? Most of the time, you need to encode some kind of values into XML, then decode them on the other side. This XML protocol need to evolve with your application, everytime you need to add a new functionality. Also, you get virtualy 0 warantee that of what will happen if the protocol is not respected, if an attribute is forgotten for example. This can open a lot of holes in your application that can be exploited (you might not care at all but it's important in some particular cases). In haXe what you will be able to do is to just do some calls between server and client transparently just like you'ld do method calls, and send data over the network (not xml, but structured objects) just like Remoting. But in haXe, you will also be able to send *classes* through the network, since it's the same language it's ok as long as the class is available on the other side as well. Other nice features includes : - a very Fexible type system : strongly typed by default, with Dynamic features to write dynamicly type stuff when you don't feel like being bothered. - type inference so you don't have to write types everywhere - conditional compilation : you can make some specific optimizations for Flash8 / Flash8.5, have different compilable versions (like Release and Debug) and everything else you need - a fast reusable compiler, just like MTASC - improved runtime errors reporting - quick usability, if you now already ActionScript or JavaScript, jumping to haXe is pretty straightforward - the ability to reuse some part of your code on the server and client side at the same time (rewriting complex form validation code on the client in JS and on the server in PHP is NOT funny :) - 30 times faster VM than PHP, if you're interested in speed ... and much more Nicolas ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Using Flash with Ruby on Rails
In case you didn't know ... there's a PHP port of RoR, check it out at: http://www.cakephp.org/ -- Anggie Bratadinata Web|Graphic|Flash Jl. Raya Langsep 21 Malang - East Java I N D O N E S I A http://design.ibshastautama.com Chad Royer wrote: Hi All, Was considering ruby on rails as a backend platform for flash apps, as it seems much quicker to set up database/sql transactions than using PHP. I have some little experience with PHP, but I'm at the point where I pretty much need to relearn it or pick something else, so I thought now might be a good time to check out RoR. I haven't been able to find much information at all about how Flash/AS2 might communicate with a Ruby on Rails app. One person suggested a couple of javascript implementations, but I'd prefer to avoid javascript if I can. Has anybody had any experience/success using these together, or should I just stick with PHP? thanks in advance, chad ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Using Flash with Ruby on Rails
even better! It was the rails structure that was most attractive about RoR... I wasn't super keen on having to learn ruby, and I already know a bit of PHP, so this cake framework could be just what I was after. I'm also already familiar with using PHP with Flash/AS, so it should be an easy jump, and I expect PHP will be around for a long time, so this also kills the 'language of the week' factor. I'll give it a shot... many thanks to everyone for your responses and insights -chad On Mar 23, 2006, at 3:06 PM, flashcoders- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Message: 21 Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 06:01:13 +0700 From: Anggie Bratadinata [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Using Flash with Ruby on Rails To: Flashcoders mailing list flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed In case you didn't know ... there's a PHP port of RoR, check it out at: http://www.cakephp.org/ -- Anggie Bratadinata Web|Graphic|Flash Jl. Raya Langsep 21 Malang - East Java I N D O N E S I A http://design.ibshastautama.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
