Re: [Flashcoders] flash and Arabic
Has anyone had any experience of using the Flash RTL classes from here: http://www.flashrtl.com/ They seem to be good for Persian, but need porting to other char sets, and a general clean up/re-write. To do this I need to get a better idea of what needs to be converted, the order of words or the order of characters but not words, or both? I guess this is also dependant on the source, for me I'm loading in from XML. It's still early in the project and I'd like to get this nailed down before committing 100% to doing RTL. Help appreciated. Jolyon On 3/29/07, Yehia Shouman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I once emailed Kevin Lynch and the guy generously replied with this: Hi Yehia- Thanks for your note. Right-to-left text support in Flash Player is an important feature, and we know it would be a key addition to the platform. Implementing this feature to deliver the right quality is a fairly big undertaking -- and we also need to factor in cross-platform support, maintaining the stability of the player, and keeping the code size small. All requests for new features are investigated using these same standards as we prioritize features for each release. Product Management is aware of the need for right-to-left text support. Although we cannot provide an exact date for when it will be supported, it is definitely under evaluation. thanks Kevin Flash supports unicode, it just isn't RTL supportive. Furthermore to this issue, if you try to use arabic, you won't be able to get a proper text wrap. There will be compatibility issues on different Windows versions and between Mac, worth saying backward compatibility with older Flash players that knows not of unicode. I seriously hope Adobe 's involvement will be beneficial. (Wish:Adobe Flash CS3 ME) Regards, Yehia Shouman Senior AS Developer and TL www.santeon.com On 3/29/07, Omar Fouad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well the most thing i used is importing arabic written text from freehand (converted to vectors) and it is just fine... Regarding writing it in dynamic text boxes at runtime like this: myTextField.text ولا حاجة it works but you still have to take care about text wrapping as in flash doesnt recognize the end of a word, and so, in multi line cases, sometimes a single word splits.. i used to solve this problem by adding some extra spaces before the last word in a single line... and the same by parsing text from a metadata in xml... Hope this helps regards... On 3/29/07, Shaun Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've worked with Arabic in Flash and yes those are the exact problems I experienced. There is an application that will allow you to cut and paste arabic to other applications without destroying the format. It won't work if you're looking for a dynamic solution - if anyone knows of one that would be great. http://www.layoutltd.com/alrassam.php There are arabic fonts you can use in flash but that still doesn't solve the problem of getting the arabic into flash in the right format if you are cutting and pasting. Hope that helps some. --- Omar Fouad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I work A lot using arabic in flash... I used to write arabic text dynamically into dynamic textfields, from xml, or action script in run time... Or by writing the arabic text in Free Hand, Than breaking it into vector and pasting it into flash as Vector... On 3/26/07, James Tu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have an approach to deal with a list of 100 phrases in Arabic. When you copy and paste a phrase of Arabic into a Flash textbox, Flash reverses it! So, we first reversed the characters outside of Flash and then copied and pasted the phrases into Flash. Problem solved right? We'll, when someone that can read Arabic read it, they told us that the characters look funny. In essence, the characters weren't connecting to each other correctly! It's as if you took a cursive font and laid out the characters and the cursive writing was not continuous. Does anyone have any suggestions on handling Flash and Arabic? I did some extensive searching and there aren't any definitive solutions...Some suggested using a special Flash Arabic font, which I couldn't find. Help! -James ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com -- Omar Fouad - Digital Emotions... Love is always patient and kind. It is never jealous. Love is never boastful nor conceited It is never rude or selfish. It does not take offense and is not
RE: [Flashcoders] flash and Arabic
Has anyone had any experience of using the Flash RTL classes from here: http://www.flashrtl.com/ They seem to be good for Persian, but need porting to other char sets, and a general clean up/re-write. To do this I need to get a better idea of what needs to be converted, the order of words or the order of characters but not words, or both? I guess this is also dependant on the source, for me I'm loading in from XML. It's still early in the project and I'd like to get this nailed down before committing 100% to doing RTL. If you look back over the archives you'll find a few posts from me on this subject. For display purposes you may find these classes are enough for you - Persian and standard Arabic are almost the same in terms of the character set, and Hebrew is much simpler (just plain bidirectional). Best Danny ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] flash and Arabic
Thanks for the help! In your professional opinion is almost the same good enough or will I need to tweak the char set? So you know I'm only displaying short button labels and headings. The languages I'm going to be needing to display are Arabic and Sorani. I think Sorani is as different to Arabic as Persian is to Arabic, but what do I know? Also we're getting the copy supplied from a translation house, the Project Manager said this will be coming over as pdf. I've got a full copy of Acrobat so hope this shouldn't be a problem. If it is would you recommend any other format for them to supply in? I can't seem to log into the archives, which is frustrating. Cheers again. Jolyon On 5/2/07, Danny Kodicek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone had any experience of using the Flash RTL classes from here: http://www.flashrtl.com/ They seem to be good for Persian, but need porting to other char sets, and a general clean up/re-write. To do this I need to get a better idea of what needs to be converted, the order of words or the order of characters but not words, or both? I guess this is also dependant on the source, for me I'm loading in from XML. It's still early in the project and I'd like to get this nailed down before committing 100% to doing RTL. If you look back over the archives you'll find a few posts from me on this subject. For display purposes you may find these classes are enough for you - Persian and standard Arabic are almost the same in terms of the character set, and Hebrew is much simpler (just plain bidirectional). Best Danny ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] flash and Arabic
Thanks for the help! In your professional opinion is almost the same good enough or will I need to tweak the char set? So you know I'm only displaying short button labels and headings. I don't speak Arabic or know anything about it other than what's in the Unicode data :) I get the impression that Persian is a superset of standard Arabic (like adding accented European characters to standard Roman), so something that works with Persian should display standard Arabic correctly too (I think there are some differences with ligatures, but they're minor). I know nothing about Sorani, but I'd suggest trying it out and seeing how things turn out. By the way: if your text is short and doesn't need line breaks, you *may* find that if you use non-embedded fonts your text will display correctly with no work at all. Try that first if you're willing to sacrifice a little quality. Also we're getting the copy supplied from a translation house, the Project Manager said this will be coming over as pdf. I've got a full copy of Acrobat so hope this shouldn't be a problem. If it is would you recommend any other format for them to supply in? AFAIK, Acrobat supports RTL languages fine (although you may need to install the language pack on your machine). I can't seem to log into the archives, which is frustrating. You should be able to search them with Google: try 'flashcoders kodicek arabic' as a search string. Best Danny ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] flash and Arabic
We tried the following: (we're embedding fonts in all cases, also we don't have require any input fields...we're just displaying Arabic) If you don't mind poor antialiasing, you could try not embedding the font - this fixes all the problems you mention, for dynamic text. -Copied Arabic text into a static text field...flash actually reverses the characters. So we copied reversed text a static field. Then when we published, it seems that the characters were not being displayed correctly. An arabic reader took a look at it and told us that the arabic characters didn't connect to each other correctly! It's as if you took English script characters and broke them apart! This quite surprises me, I'd have thought static would work fine. You could try breaking apart the text once you've pasted it in, this should stop Flash messing about with it. We then tried a few more experiments... - copy and pasted Arabic text (normal order) into a dynamic field...flash flipped it. But when you publish it for Player 8, the order of the text is correct, but the characters looked disjointed again. -We published it for Player 7 and this time everything looked perfect. The order of the text was correct and the characters looked connected!!! We basically have all the text assets in a separate .swf (published for Player 7) and we're using it as a runtime shared library. Our main app is published as Player 8. Has anyone else seen this? Am I not doing something right here? I'm shocked that support for Arabic (and I'm assuming other RTL languages) took a step backwards from Player 7 to Player 8. I wonder what it is in Player 9. Arabic is different from other RTL scripts (well, Hebrew anyway, which is the only other one I know about) in that it's cursive. Hebrew doesn't suffer from this complication, so all you have to worry about is bidirectionality. All the problems you give, especially variations across Flash versions, browsers, operating systems etc, were why we ended up going down the 'complete control' route. My system does the whole thing manually, including BiDi, cursive variations, ligatures and line breaking. It's not easy, although there was a certain satisfaction in it :) Danny ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] flash and Arabic
HI, It now transpires that the project I am quoting for needs much of it done in Arabic. As it is my first multi language project in Flash are there any issues with that in Flash (I could write an encyclopedia full about Director and its characater set issues) Just got back from holiday and noticed this post which doesn't seem to have had any replies. Arabic in Flash is possible but tricky. Exactly how tricky depends on what exactly you need to do. Just putting static Arabic text on screen is easy - no different from Roman. Dynamic text is essentially okay, but you need to watch out for RTL and Bidirectional issues. One major issue is that Flash behaves differently for embedded and non-embedded fonts. Text rendered using non-embedded fonts uses the OS-level text renderer, and so renders the text using the standard Bidirectional algorithm. For single-line text this is perfect (although we didn't test for a very wide range of OS's and browsers - I suspect there might be some niggles on various combinations); for multiple-line text you'll find that line breaks do not get added correctly (words get broken half-way across) so you'll need to add your line breaks directly into the dynamic text. Text rendered using embedded fonts does not render correctly: it has the same line-break issues as before, but also it renders LTR and fails to correctly interpret the Arabic characters into their cursive variants (that is, join them correctly to give the 'handwritten' style that Arabic text should have). There are ways around this, including some code libraries (check out FlashRTL). Personally, I prefer this option as you're in more control - I hate leaving things to the OS unless I absolutely have to! Of course, the above also depends on the *source* of your dynamic text: if you're in complete control, you can store the text directly as the characters that will appear on-screen. But if it's coming from something like an external XML file or some other data source, you'll need to consider these issues. If you want input text, you're in a different kettle of crustaceans. We managed to solve it, but it was a big job. There aren't currently any available commercial solutions to this, but hopefully as soon as I'm finished with my enormous globalisation job that's taken me the best part of a year, we'll be releasing my solution in some form. Danny ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] flash and Arabic
Thank you very much, Danny, Yes I thought that this post sank without a trace, lucky you saw it! Fro the moment I jsut needed to know if there were any issues, as I am tendering for an English course DVD that will be sold in the Middle East. Do I remember seeing your name on Director forums a long time ago? Nik Crosina On 4/16/07, Danny Kodicek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HI, It now transpires that the project I am quoting for needs much of it done in Arabic. As it is my first multi language project in Flash are there any issues with that in Flash (I could write an encyclopedia full about Director and its characater set issues) Just got back from holiday and noticed this post which doesn't seem to have had any replies. Arabic in Flash is possible but tricky. Exactly how tricky depends on what exactly you need to do. Just putting static Arabic text on screen is easy - no different from Roman. Dynamic text is essentially okay, but you need to watch out for RTL and Bidirectional issues. One major issue is that Flash behaves differently for embedded and non-embedded fonts. Text rendered using non-embedded fonts uses the OS-level text renderer, and so renders the text using the standard Bidirectional algorithm. For single-line text this is perfect (although we didn't test for a very wide range of OS's and browsers - I suspect there might be some niggles on various combinations); for multiple-line text you'll find that line breaks do not get added correctly (words get broken half-way across) so you'll need to add your line breaks directly into the dynamic text. Text rendered using embedded fonts does not render correctly: it has the same line-break issues as before, but also it renders LTR and fails to correctly interpret the Arabic characters into their cursive variants (that is, join them correctly to give the 'handwritten' style that Arabic text should have). There are ways around this, including some code libraries (check out FlashRTL). Personally, I prefer this option as you're in more control - I hate leaving things to the OS unless I absolutely have to! Of course, the above also depends on the *source* of your dynamic text: if you're in complete control, you can store the text directly as the characters that will appear on-screen. But if it's coming from something like an external XML file or some other data source, you'll need to consider these issues. If you want input text, you're in a different kettle of crustaceans. We managed to solve it, but it was a big job. There aren't currently any available commercial solutions to this, but hopefully as soon as I'm finished with my enormous globalisation job that's taken me the best part of a year, we'll be releasing my solution in some form. Danny ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com -- Nik C ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] flash and Arabic
Thank you very much, Danny, Yes I thought that this post sank without a trace, lucky you saw it! Fro the moment I jsut needed to know if there were any issues, as I am tendering for an English course DVD that will be sold in the Middle East. Do I remember seeing your name on Director forums a long time ago? You'll still see it on some of them :) I work on a big Flash-in-Director project, so I encounter some of the worst of both worlds... Danny ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] flash and Arabic
same here, Nik On 4/16/07, Danny Kodicek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you very much, Danny, Yes I thought that this post sank without a trace, lucky you saw it! Fro the moment I jsut needed to know if there were any issues, as I am tendering for an English course DVD that will be sold in the Middle East. Do I remember seeing your name on Director forums a long time ago? You'll still see it on some of them :) I work on a big Flash-in-Director project, so I encounter some of the worst of both worlds... Danny ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com -- Nik C ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] flash and Arabic
We tried the following: (we're embedding fonts in all cases, also we don't have require any input fields...we're just displaying Arabic) -Copied Arabic text into a static text field...flash actually reverses the characters. So we copied reversed text a static field. Then when we published, it seems that the characters were not being displayed correctly. An arabic reader took a look at it and told us that the arabic characters didn't connect to each other correctly! It's as if you took English script characters and broke them apart! We then tried a few more experiments... - copy and pasted Arabic text (normal order) into a dynamic field...flash flipped it. But when you publish it for Player 8, the order of the text is correct, but the characters looked disjointed again. -We published it for Player 7 and this time everything looked perfect. The order of the text was correct and the characters looked connected!!! We basically have all the text assets in a separate .swf (published for Player 7) and we're using it as a runtime shared library. Our main app is published as Player 8. Has anyone else seen this? Am I not doing something right here? I'm shocked that support for Arabic (and I'm assuming other RTL languages) took a step backwards from Player 7 to Player 8. I wonder what it is in Player 9. -James On Apr 16, 2007, at 7:10 AM, nik crosina wrote: Thank you very much, Danny, Yes I thought that this post sank without a trace, lucky you saw it! Fro the moment I jsut needed to know if there were any issues, as I am tendering for an English course DVD that will be sold in the Middle East. Do I remember seeing your name on Director forums a long time ago? Nik Crosina On 4/16/07, Danny Kodicek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HI, It now transpires that the project I am quoting for needs much of it done in Arabic. As it is my first multi language project in Flash are there any issues with that in Flash (I could write an encyclopedia full about Director and its characater set issues) Just got back from holiday and noticed this post which doesn't seem to have had any replies. Arabic in Flash is possible but tricky. Exactly how tricky depends on what exactly you need to do. Just putting static Arabic text on screen is easy - no different from Roman. Dynamic text is essentially okay, but you need to watch out for RTL and Bidirectional issues. One major issue is that Flash behaves differently for embedded and non-embedded fonts. Text rendered using non-embedded fonts uses the OS-level text renderer, and so renders the text using the standard Bidirectional algorithm. For single-line text this is perfect (although we didn't test for a very wide range of OS's and browsers - I suspect there might be some niggles on various combinations); for multiple-line text you'll find that line breaks do not get added correctly (words get broken half-way across) so you'll need to add your line breaks directly into the dynamic text. Text rendered using embedded fonts does not render correctly: it has the same line-break issues as before, but also it renders LTR and fails to correctly interpret the Arabic characters into their cursive variants (that is, join them correctly to give the 'handwritten' style that Arabic text should have). There are ways around this, including some code libraries (check out FlashRTL). Personally, I prefer this option as you're in more control - I hate leaving things to the OS unless I absolutely have to! Of course, the above also depends on the *source* of your dynamic text: if you're in complete control, you can store the text directly as the characters that will appear on-screen. But if it's coming from something like an external XML file or some other data source, you'll need to consider these issues. If you want input text, you're in a different kettle of crustaceans. We managed to solve it, but it was a big job. There aren't currently any available commercial solutions to this, but hopefully as soon as I'm finished with my enormous globalisation job that's taken me the best part of a year, we'll be releasing my solution in some form. Danny ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com -- Nik C ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___
Re: [Flashcoders] flash and Arabic
So Adobe Director is not alone in behaving oddly with fonts, char sets and languages ... ... that makes me really look forward to that project now ;) Thanks, Nik Crosina On 4/16/07, James Tu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We tried the following: (we're embedding fonts in all cases, also we don't have require any input fields...we're just displaying Arabic) -Copied Arabic text into a static text field...flash actually reverses the characters. So we copied reversed text a static field. Then when we published, it seems that the characters were not being displayed correctly. An arabic reader took a look at it and told us that the arabic characters didn't connect to each other correctly! It's as if you took English script characters and broke them apart! We then tried a few more experiments... - copy and pasted Arabic text (normal order) into a dynamic field...flash flipped it. But when you publish it for Player 8, the order of the text is correct, but the characters looked disjointed again. -We published it for Player 7 and this time everything looked perfect. The order of the text was correct and the characters looked connected!!! We basically have all the text assets in a separate .swf (published for Player 7) and we're using it as a runtime shared library. Our main app is published as Player 8. Has anyone else seen this? Am I not doing something right here? I'm shocked that support for Arabic (and I'm assuming other RTL languages) took a step backwards from Player 7 to Player 8. I wonder what it is in Player 9. -James On Apr 16, 2007, at 7:10 AM, nik crosina wrote: Thank you very much, Danny, Yes I thought that this post sank without a trace, lucky you saw it! Fro the moment I jsut needed to know if there were any issues, as I am tendering for an English course DVD that will be sold in the Middle East. Do I remember seeing your name on Director forums a long time ago? Nik Crosina On 4/16/07, Danny Kodicek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HI, It now transpires that the project I am quoting for needs much of it done in Arabic. As it is my first multi language project in Flash are there any issues with that in Flash (I could write an encyclopedia full about Director and its characater set issues) Just got back from holiday and noticed this post which doesn't seem to have had any replies. Arabic in Flash is possible but tricky. Exactly how tricky depends on what exactly you need to do. Just putting static Arabic text on screen is easy - no different from Roman. Dynamic text is essentially okay, but you need to watch out for RTL and Bidirectional issues. One major issue is that Flash behaves differently for embedded and non-embedded fonts. Text rendered using non-embedded fonts uses the OS-level text renderer, and so renders the text using the standard Bidirectional algorithm. For single-line text this is perfect (although we didn't test for a very wide range of OS's and browsers - I suspect there might be some niggles on various combinations); for multiple-line text you'll find that line breaks do not get added correctly (words get broken half-way across) so you'll need to add your line breaks directly into the dynamic text. Text rendered using embedded fonts does not render correctly: it has the same line-break issues as before, but also it renders LTR and fails to correctly interpret the Arabic characters into their cursive variants (that is, join them correctly to give the 'handwritten' style that Arabic text should have). There are ways around this, including some code libraries (check out FlashRTL). Personally, I prefer this option as you're in more control - I hate leaving things to the OS unless I absolutely have to! Of course, the above also depends on the *source* of your dynamic text: if you're in complete control, you can store the text directly as the characters that will appear on-screen. But if it's coming from something like an external XML file or some other data source, you'll need to consider these issues. If you want input text, you're in a different kettle of crustaceans. We managed to solve it, but it was a big job. There aren't currently any available commercial solutions to this, but hopefully as soon as I'm finished with my enormous globalisation job that's taken me the best part of a year, we'll be releasing my solution in some form. Danny ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com -- Nik C ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive:
Re: [Flashcoders] flash and Arabic
Well the most thing i used is importing arabic written text from freehand (converted to vectors) and it is just fine... Regarding writing it in dynamic text boxes at runtime like this: myTextField.text ولا حاجة it works but you still have to take care about text wrapping as in flash doesnt recognize the end of a word, and so, in multi line cases, sometimes a single word splits.. i used to solve this problem by adding some extra spaces before the last word in a single line... and the same by parsing text from a metadata in xml... Hope this helps regards... On 3/29/07, Shaun Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've worked with Arabic in Flash and yes those are the exact problems I experienced. There is an application that will allow you to cut and paste arabic to other applications without destroying the format. It won't work if you're looking for a dynamic solution - if anyone knows of one that would be great. http://www.layoutltd.com/alrassam.php There are arabic fonts you can use in flash but that still doesn't solve the problem of getting the arabic into flash in the right format if you are cutting and pasting. Hope that helps some. --- Omar Fouad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I work A lot using arabic in flash... I used to write arabic text dynamically into dynamic textfields, from xml, or action script in run time... Or by writing the arabic text in Free Hand, Than breaking it into vector and pasting it into flash as Vector... On 3/26/07, James Tu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have an approach to deal with a list of 100 phrases in Arabic. When you copy and paste a phrase of Arabic into a Flash textbox, Flash reverses it! So, we first reversed the characters outside of Flash and then copied and pasted the phrases into Flash. Problem solved right? We'll, when someone that can read Arabic read it, they told us that the characters look funny. In essence, the characters weren't connecting to each other correctly! It's as if you took a cursive font and laid out the characters and the cursive writing was not continuous. Does anyone have any suggestions on handling Flash and Arabic? I did some extensive searching and there aren't any definitive solutions...Some suggested using a special Flash Arabic font, which I couldn't find. Help! -James ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com -- Omar Fouad - Digital Emotions... Love is always patient and kind. It is never jealous. Love is never boastful nor conceited It is never rude or selfish. It does not take offense and is not resentful. Love takes no pleasure in other people's sins...but delights in the truth. It is always ready to excuse, to trust, to hope... and to endure... whatever comes. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com -- Omar Fouad - Digital Emotions... Love is always patient and kind. It is never jealous. Love is never boastful nor conceited It is never rude or selfish. It does not take offense and is not resentful. Love takes no pleasure in other people's sins...but delights in the truth. It is always ready to excuse, to trust, to hope... and to endure... whatever comes. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] flash and Arabic
I once emailed Kevin Lynch and the guy generously replied with this: Hi Yehia- Thanks for your note. Right-to-left text support in Flash Player is an important feature, and we know it would be a key addition to the platform. Implementing this feature to deliver the right quality is a fairly big undertaking -- and we also need to factor in cross-platform support, maintaining the stability of the player, and keeping the code size small. All requests for new features are investigated using these same standards as we prioritize features for each release. Product Management is aware of the need for right-to-left text support. Although we cannot provide an exact date for when it will be supported, it is definitely under evaluation. thanks Kevin Flash supports unicode, it just isn't RTL supportive. Furthermore to this issue, if you try to use arabic, you won't be able to get a proper text wrap. There will be compatibility issues on different Windows versions and between Mac, worth saying backward compatibility with older Flash players that knows not of unicode. I seriously hope Adobe 's involvement will be beneficial. (Wish:Adobe Flash CS3 ME) Regards, Yehia Shouman Senior AS Developer and TL www.santeon.com On 3/29/07, Omar Fouad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well the most thing i used is importing arabic written text from freehand (converted to vectors) and it is just fine... Regarding writing it in dynamic text boxes at runtime like this: myTextField.text ولا حاجة it works but you still have to take care about text wrapping as in flash doesnt recognize the end of a word, and so, in multi line cases, sometimes a single word splits.. i used to solve this problem by adding some extra spaces before the last word in a single line... and the same by parsing text from a metadata in xml... Hope this helps regards... On 3/29/07, Shaun Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've worked with Arabic in Flash and yes those are the exact problems I experienced. There is an application that will allow you to cut and paste arabic to other applications without destroying the format. It won't work if you're looking for a dynamic solution - if anyone knows of one that would be great. http://www.layoutltd.com/alrassam.php There are arabic fonts you can use in flash but that still doesn't solve the problem of getting the arabic into flash in the right format if you are cutting and pasting. Hope that helps some. --- Omar Fouad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I work A lot using arabic in flash... I used to write arabic text dynamically into dynamic textfields, from xml, or action script in run time... Or by writing the arabic text in Free Hand, Than breaking it into vector and pasting it into flash as Vector... On 3/26/07, James Tu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have an approach to deal with a list of 100 phrases in Arabic. When you copy and paste a phrase of Arabic into a Flash textbox, Flash reverses it! So, we first reversed the characters outside of Flash and then copied and pasted the phrases into Flash. Problem solved right? We'll, when someone that can read Arabic read it, they told us that the characters look funny. In essence, the characters weren't connecting to each other correctly! It's as if you took a cursive font and laid out the characters and the cursive writing was not continuous. Does anyone have any suggestions on handling Flash and Arabic? I did some extensive searching and there aren't any definitive solutions...Some suggested using a special Flash Arabic font, which I couldn't find. Help! -James ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com -- Omar Fouad - Digital Emotions... Love is always patient and kind. It is never jealous. Love is never boastful nor conceited It is never rude or selfish. It does not take offense and is not resentful. Love takes no pleasure in other people's sins...but delights in the truth. It is always ready to excuse, to trust, to hope... and to endure... whatever comes. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive:
Re: [Flashcoders] flash and Arabic
Hi Omar, How well has this worked out? Does the text display properly? Are the issues to do with RTL text input a major problem? I'd be very interested to know. Sincerely, Alias On 27/03/07, Omar Fouad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I work A lot using arabic in flash... I used to write arabic text dynamically into dynamic textfields, from xml, or action script in run time... Or by writing the arabic text in Free Hand, Than breaking it into vector and pasting it into flash as Vector... On 3/26/07, James Tu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have an approach to deal with a list of 100 phrases in Arabic. When you copy and paste a phrase of Arabic into a Flash textbox, Flash reverses it! So, we first reversed the characters outside of Flash and then copied and pasted the phrases into Flash. Problem solved right? We'll, when someone that can read Arabic read it, they told us that the characters look funny. In essence, the characters weren't connecting to each other correctly! It's as if you took a cursive font and laid out the characters and the cursive writing was not continuous. Does anyone have any suggestions on handling Flash and Arabic? I did some extensive searching and there aren't any definitive solutions...Some suggested using a special Flash Arabic font, which I couldn't find. Help! -James ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com -- Omar Fouad - Digital Emotions... Love is always patient and kind. It is never jealous. Love is never boastful nor conceited It is never rude or selfish. It does not take offense and is not resentful. Love takes no pleasure in other people's sins...but delights in the truth. It is always ready to excuse, to trust, to hope... and to endure... whatever comes. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] flash and Arabic
I've worked with Arabic in Flash and yes those are the exact problems I experienced. There is an application that will allow you to cut and paste arabic to other applications without destroying the format. It won't work if you're looking for a dynamic solution - if anyone knows of one that would be great. http://www.layoutltd.com/alrassam.php There are arabic fonts you can use in flash but that still doesn't solve the problem of getting the arabic into flash in the right format if you are cutting and pasting. Hope that helps some. --- Omar Fouad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I work A lot using arabic in flash... I used to write arabic text dynamically into dynamic textfields, from xml, or action script in run time... Or by writing the arabic text in Free Hand, Than breaking it into vector and pasting it into flash as Vector... On 3/26/07, James Tu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have an approach to deal with a list of 100 phrases in Arabic. When you copy and paste a phrase of Arabic into a Flash textbox, Flash reverses it! So, we first reversed the characters outside of Flash and then copied and pasted the phrases into Flash. Problem solved right? We'll, when someone that can read Arabic read it, they told us that the characters look funny. In essence, the characters weren't connecting to each other correctly! It's as if you took a cursive font and laid out the characters and the cursive writing was not continuous. Does anyone have any suggestions on handling Flash and Arabic? I did some extensive searching and there aren't any definitive solutions...Some suggested using a special Flash Arabic font, which I couldn't find. Help! -James ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com -- Omar Fouad - Digital Emotions... Love is always patient and kind. It is never jealous. Love is never boastful nor conceited It is never rude or selfish. It does not take offense and is not resentful. Love takes no pleasure in other people's sins...but delights in the truth. It is always ready to excuse, to trust, to hope... and to endure... whatever comes. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] flash and Arabic
I work A lot using arabic in flash... I used to write arabic text dynamically into dynamic textfields, from xml, or action script in run time... Or by writing the arabic text in Free Hand, Than breaking it into vector and pasting it into flash as Vector... On 3/26/07, James Tu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have an approach to deal with a list of 100 phrases in Arabic. When you copy and paste a phrase of Arabic into a Flash textbox, Flash reverses it! So, we first reversed the characters outside of Flash and then copied and pasted the phrases into Flash. Problem solved right? We'll, when someone that can read Arabic read it, they told us that the characters look funny. In essence, the characters weren't connecting to each other correctly! It's as if you took a cursive font and laid out the characters and the cursive writing was not continuous. Does anyone have any suggestions on handling Flash and Arabic? I did some extensive searching and there aren't any definitive solutions...Some suggested using a special Flash Arabic font, which I couldn't find. Help! -James ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com -- Omar Fouad - Digital Emotions... Love is always patient and kind. It is never jealous. Love is never boastful nor conceited It is never rude or selfish. It does not take offense and is not resentful. Love takes no pleasure in other people's sins...but delights in the truth. It is always ready to excuse, to trust, to hope... and to endure... whatever comes. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
