Re: RE: [Flashcoders] :: anyone passed flash 8 certification exam?::

2006-12-11 Thread Jordan Snyder

I don't agree with the smartassitude, but perhaps what Steven is
insinuating is that proving that you know some syntax does not prove
that you can actually do anything with it.  I'm not at the epicenter
of the Flash Universe and I think the cert is worthless.  Is that a
better way to put it?  ;)

Cheers!

On 12/11/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Gee Steve,

  You normally are such a force for good in the world.

  But that post on the Flash cert was harsh.

  I can understand why you wouldn't take the time of day to think about taking 
a cert exam.  But then why take the time to bash it?

  The cert thing is good.  Not evil.  You live near the epicenter of the Flash 
universe.  But not everybody does.  It is good for people to use objective 
measures to know that they are making progress.

  Please stick to your normal form of playing nice with the other kids here in 
the Flash playground :-)

Best wishes to you and yours this holiday season!


Steven Sacks | BLITZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Flash 8 Certification Exam? Srsly? And you pay for it? That's crazy
talk!

If you've got money to throw away, why not give it to a charity this
holiday season and use it for something that actually makes a
difference?


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RE: RE: [Flashcoders] :: anyone passed flash 8 certification exam?::

2006-12-11 Thread Steven Sacks | BLITZ
If you want to extract from my statement that the certification is a
waste of time, and since idle hands are the devil's workshop therefore I
was saying the certification was evil, like Bobby Brown, that's your
perogative.  I wasn't taking it so far as to label it as such.  ;)

No Flash certificate in the world proves you know best practices when it
comes to architecting a solid codebase.  You know how to use the drawing
tools.  You know how to manipulate an Array.  You know the difference
between private and public functions.  You know the proper syntax when
writing classes.  Neato.

You've got a piece of paper that says you know how to use a drill, a
saw, a hammer, and a screwdriver.  Now build me a house.  

If I'm looking for somebody to build a house, I don't care if he has
certifications that he knows how to use the tools used to build a house.
A potential employer (client) wants to see the houses he has built (e.g.
a resume with past work and code examples).

I wouldn't give any Flash certification much weight.  It's not close to
a 4-year degree in CompSci.  If you're doing it for yourself, fine, but
I can think of better ways to spend your money.

http://www.childsplaycharity.org/  comes to mind.

To be fair, one benefit of taking the test is you push yourself to learn
new things in order to make sure you know enough to pass the test, which
could be anything, so you learn a lot to compensate.  It's only to
motivate you to learn.  A Flash 8 Certificate means little to nothing at
any company that needs Flash developers.  They want to see what you've
done with Flash, not that you have a license to drive it.









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 certification exam?::
 
 I don't agree with the smartassitude, but perhaps what Steven 
 is insinuating is that proving that you know some syntax does 
 not prove that you can actually do anything with it.  I'm not 
 at the epicenter of the Flash Universe and I think the cert 
 is worthless.  Is that a better way to put it?  ;)
 
 Cheers!
 
 On 12/11/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Gee Steve,
 
You normally are such a force for good in the world.
 
But that post on the Flash cert was harsh.
 
I can understand why you wouldn't take the time of day to 
 think about taking a cert exam.  But then why take the time 
 to bash it?
 
The cert thing is good.  Not evil.  You live near the 
 epicenter of the Flash universe.  But not everybody does.  It 
 is good for people to use objective measures to know that 
 they are making progress.
 
Please stick to your normal form of playing nice with the 
 other kids 
  here in the Flash playground :-)
 
  Best wishes to you and yours this holiday season!
 
 
  Steven Sacks | BLITZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Flash 8 Certification Exam? Srsly? And you pay for it? 
 That's crazy 
  talk!
 
  If you've got money to throw away, why not give it to a 
 charity this 
  holiday season and use it for something that actually makes a 
  difference?
 
 
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