[flexcoders] Google, Yahoo hooked on AJAX?
Google has purchased at least one company that uses Flash or Flex (a Web analytics startup) but their own internal efforts seem to be always focused on AJAX ... e.g. the latest Google Mars (http://www.google.com/mars/)So it's fair to wonder why Google isn't doing more with Flex at this time ... and why Flickr (Yahoo) moved from Flash to AJAX ... especially given the fact that Flex 2 has a lot going for it from technical and end-user perspectives.Attitudes change over time and new technologies take a while to adopt, but it'd be nice to understand whether or not Google, Yahoo and others are consciously resisting Flex based on some non-technical reason (e.g. the fact that Flex is a proprietary platform whereas AJAX is not.)Google's and Yahoo's position doesn't matter all that much as far as market adoption for Flex, but it would be interesting to understand the strategic reasons why Google, Yahoo and other major players (e.g. eBay) have so far preferred to stick with AJAX.An interesting position for Google and Yahoo would be to endorse AJAX half of the time and Flex the other half, or two thrids to one. This way they would keep the market from leaning too heavily in favor of either. But as of now, they're leaning too heavily in favor of AJAX, yet it's very possible that they'll release (or acquire) something based on Flex 2 in the future. I believe Sun has been very successful with Java on the server side ... Flex could become as popular on the client side as Java is on the server side if it's opened up in the style of the Java Community Process.Just curious if anyone has any insights about where Adobe may be going with Flex ... ?Marc Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [flexcoders] Google, Yahoo hooked on AJAX?
Well my best guess is mass-market appeal (Flash player doesnt work on everything) and Flex 2 is still beta (Flex1 and Flex1.5 were nice but not near as sexy from a usability standpoint). _ Jonathan Miranda Flexible Master of the Web Try not to become a man of success, but a man of value. - Albert Einstein HealthGrades: Guiding America to Better Healthcare NASDAQ: HGRD w (720) 963-3832 c (707) 761-0868 [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ The message contains confidential and/or legally privileged information and is intended for use only by the indicated addressee. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute, or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmissions cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed,arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dos dedos Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 10:25 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Google, Yahoo hooked on AJAX? Google has purchased at least one company that uses Flash or Flex (a Web analytics startup) but their own internal efforts seem to be always focused on AJAX ... e.g. the latest Google Mars (http://www.google.com/mars/) So it's fair to wonder why Google isn't doing more with Flex at this time ... and why Flickr (Yahoo) moved from Flash to AJAX ... especially given the fact that Flex 2 has a lot going for it from technical and end-user perspectives. Attitudes change over time and new technologies take a while to adopt, but it'd be nice to understand whether or not Google, Yahoo and others are consciously resisting Flex based on some non-technical reason (e.g. the fact that Flex is a proprietary platform whereas AJAX is not.) Google's and Yahoo's position doesn't matter all that much as far as market adoption for Flex, but it would be interesting to understand the strategic reasons why Google, Yahoo and other major players (e.g. eBay) have so far preferr ed to stick with AJAX. An interesting position for Google and Yahoo would be to endorse AJAX half of the time and Flex the other half, or two thrids to one. This way they would keep the market from leaning too heavily in favor of either. But as of now, they're leaning too heavily in favor of AJAX, yet it's very possible that they'll release (or acquire) something based on Flex 2 in the future. I believe Sun has been very successful with Java on the server side ... Flex could become as popular on the client side as Java is on the server side if it's opened up in the style of the Java Community Process. Just curious if anyone has any insights about where Adobe may be going with Flex ... ? Marc Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [flexcoders] Google, Yahoo hooked on AJAX?
AJAX is here, works, has a large community, is an old technology and thus has a plethora of resources. Flex 2 isn't publicy out yet in an official capacity and Flex 1.5's price point excludes a lot of those types of endeavors. Yahoo uses both; they area big company. Yahoo Maps utilized Flex 1.5. They should of used Flash Player 8's bitmap features so it wasn't the best use of Flex, but it at least got us on the radar. They are also experiementing with updating some of the Java games to Flash. Again, neither Google nor Yahoo can utilize Flex 2 because even if they did, no one could see it. Flash Player 8.5 is beta, not publicly available, and you have to download the entire Flex 2 package just to get it (which is a good thing). Yahoo has a lot of efforts in regards to Flex Flash, you just probably haven't read about them, is all, or they didn't get as widely publicized. Bottom line, AJAX is here, has been for awhile, and works. Flex 2 isn't even out yet. Sparkle's awesome, but you don't see people, even Microsoft, creating Sparkle apps. - Original Message - From: dos dedos To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 12:24 PM Subject: [flexcoders] Google, Yahoo hooked on AJAX? Google has purchased at least one company that uses Flash or Flex (a Web analytics startup) but their own internal efforts seem to be always focused on AJAX ... e.g. the latest Google Mars (http://www.google.com/mars/)So it's fair to wonder why Google isn't doing more with Flex at this time ... and why Flickr (Yahoo) moved from Flash to AJAX ... especially given the fact that Flex 2 has a lot going for it from technical and end-user perspectives.Attitudes change over time and new technologies take a while to adopt, but it'd be nice to understand whether or not Google, Yahoo and others are consciously resisting Flex based on some non-technical reason (e.g. the fact that Flex is a proprietary platform whereas AJAX is not.)Google's and Yahoo's position doesn't matter all that much as far as market adoption for Flex, but it would be interesting to understand the strategic reasons why Google, Yahoo and other major players (e.g. eBay) have so far prefer! red to stick with AJAX.An interesting position for Google and Yahoo would be to endorse AJAX half of the time and Flex the other half, or two thrids to one. This way they would keep the market from leaning too heavily in favor of either. But as of now, they're leaning too heavily in favor of AJAX, yet it's very possible that they'll release (or acquire) something based on Flex 2 in the future. I believe Sun has been very successful with Java on the server side ... Flex could become as popular on the client side as Java is on the server side if it's opened up in the style of the Java Community Process.Just curious if anyone has any insights about where Adobe may be going with Flex ... ?Marc Yahoo! MailBring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [flexcoders] Google, Yahoo hooked on AJAX?
Yahoo has a lot of efforts in regards to Flex Flash, you just probably haven't read about them, is all, or they didn't get as widely publicized.That's what I wanted to find out ... thanks for pointing it out!!!JesterXL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AJAX is here, works, has a large community, is an old technology and thus has a plethora of resources. Flex 2 isn't publicy out yet in an official capacity and Flex 1.5's price point excludes a lot of those types of endeavors. Yahoo uses both; they area big company. Yahoo Maps utilized Flex 1.5. They should of used Flash Player 8's bitmap features so it wasn't the best use of Flex, but it at least got us on the radar. They are also experiementing with updating some of the Java games to Flash. Again, neither Google nor Yahoo can utilize Flex 2 because even if they did, no one could see it. Flash Player 8.5 is beta, not publicly available, and you have to download the entire Flex 2 package just to get it (which is a good thing). Yahoo has a lot of efforts in regards to Flex Flash, you just probably haven't read about them, is all, or they didn't get as widely publicized. Bottom line, AJAX is here, has been for awhile, and works. Flex 2 isn't even out yet. Sparkle's awesome, but you don't see people, even Microsoft, creating Sparkle apps. - Original Message - From: dos dedos To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 12:24 PM Subject: [flexcoders] Google, Yahoo hooked on AJAX? Google has purchased at least one company that uses Flash or Flex (a Web analytics startup) but their own internal efforts seem to be always focused on AJAX ... e.g. the latest Google Mars (http://www.google.com/mars/)So it's fair to wonder why Google isn't doing more with Flex at this time ... and why Flickr (Yahoo) moved from Flash to AJAX ... especially given the fact that Flex 2 has a lot going for it from technical and end-user perspectives.Attitudes change over time and new technologies take a while to adopt, but it'd be nice to understand whether or not Google, Yahoo and others are consciously resisting Flex based on some non-technical reason (e.g. the fact that Flex is a proprietary platform whereas AJAX is not.)Google's and Yahoo's position doesn't matter all that much as far as market adoption for Flex, but it would be interesting to understand the strategic reasons why Google, Yahoo and other major players (e.g. eBay) have so far prefer! red to stick with AJAX.An interesting position for Google and Yahoo would be to endorse AJAX half of the time and Flex the other half, or two thrids to one. This way they would keep the market from leaning too heavily in favor of either. But as of now, they're leaning too heavily in favor of AJAX, yet it's very possible that they'll release (or acquire) something based on Flex 2 in the future. I believe Sun has been very successful with Java on the server side ... Flex could become as popular on the client side as Java is on the server side if it's opened up in the style of the Java Community Process.Just curious if anyone has any insights about where Adobe may be going with Flex ... ?Marc Yahoo! MailBring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [flexcoders] Google, Yahoo hooked on AJAX?
I agree re: no envangelismHowever, it's very helpful for some of of us to understand the context and not just the content of what we're getting into. :)Nick Weekes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: personally id rather not see a technology evangelism debate appear on this forum, thats a little OT for my liking. From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jignesh DodiyaSent: 13 March 2006 18:17To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [flexcoders] Google, Yahoo hooked on AJAX? Jesse has really a mature idea on this.. Don't u think, this forum can bemore fruitfull if anybody from Adobe do share his/her idea on this forum. Afterall its their duty to make people encourage to use flex over AJAX, and the community always likes to hear Flex expert's comment on such intensive topic? On 3/13/06, dos dedos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Yahoo has a lot of efforts inregards to Flex Flash, you just probably haven't read about them, isall, or they didn't get as widely publicized. That's what I wanted to find out ... thanks forpointing it out!!! JesterXL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AJAX is here, works, has a large community, is an old technology and thus has a plethora of resources. Flex 2 isn't publicy out yet in an official capacity and Flex 1.5's price point excludes a lot of those types of endeavors. Yahoo uses both; they area big company. Yahoo Maps utilized Flex 1.5. They should of used Flash Player 8's bitmap features so it wasn't the best use of Flex, but it at least got us on the radar. They are also experiementing with updating some of the Java games to Flash. Again, neither Google nor Yahoo can utilize Flex 2 because even if they did, no one could see it. Flash Player 8.5 is beta, not publicly available, and you have to download the entire Flex 2 package just to get it (which is a good thing). Yahoo has a lot of efforts in regards to Flex Flash, you just probably haven't read about them, is all, or they didn't get as widely publicized. Bottom line, AJAX is here, has been for awhile, and works. Flex 2 isn't even out yet. Sparkle's awesome, but you don't see people, even Microsoft, creating Sparkle apps. - Original Message - From: dos dedos To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 12:24 PM Subject: [flexcoders] Google, Yahoo hooked on AJAX? Google has purchased at least one company that uses Flash or Flex (a Web analytics startup) but their own internal efforts seem to be always focused on AJAX ... e.g. the latest Google Mars ( http://www.google.com/mars/)So it's fair to wonder why Google isn't doing more with Flex at this time ... and why Flickr (Yahoo) moved from Flash to AJAX ... especially given the fact that Flex 2 has a lot going for it from technical and end-user perspectives. Attitudes change over time and new technologies take a while to adopt, but it'd be nice to understand whether or not Google, Yahoo and others are consciously resisting Flex based on some non-technical reason (e.g. the fact that Flex is a proprietary platform whereas AJAX is not.) Google's and Yahoo's position doesn't matter all that much as far as market adoption for Flex, but it would be interesting to understand the strategic reasons why Google, Yahoo and other major players (e.g. eBay) have so far prefer! red to stick with AJAX. An interesting position for Google and Yahoo would be to endorse AJAX half of the time and Flex the other half, or two thrids to one. This way they would keep the market from leaning too heavily in favor of either. But as of now, they're leaning too heavily in favor of AJAX, yet it's very possible that they'll release (or acquire) something based on Flex 2 in the future. I believe Sun has been very successful with Java on the server side ... Flex could become as popular on the client side as Java is on the server side if it's opened up in the style of the Java Community Process.Just curious if anyone has any insights about where Adobe may be going with Flex ... ?Marc Yahoo! MailBring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. Yahoo! MailBring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.--Flexcoders Mailing ListFAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txtSearch Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSOREDLINKS Web site design developmentComputer software developmentSoftware design and development Macromedia flexSoftware development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders"
Re: [flexcoders] Google, Yahoo hooked on AJAX?
Jesse has really a mature idea on this.. Don't u think, this forum can bemore fruitfull if anybody from Adobe do share his/her idea on this forum. Afterall its their duty to make people encourage to use flex over AJAX, and the community always likes to hear Flex expert's comment on such intensive topic? On 3/13/06, dos dedos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yahoo has a lot of efforts in regards to Flex Flash, you just probably haven't read about them, is all, or they didn't get as widely publicized. That's what I wanted to find out ... thanks for pointing it out!!! JesterXL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AJAX is here, works, has a large community, is an old technology and thus has a plethora of resources. Flex 2 isn't publicy out yet in an official capacity and Flex 1.5's price point excludes a lot of those types of endeavors. Yahoo uses both; they area big company. Yahoo Maps utilized Flex 1.5. They should of used Flash Player 8's bitmap features so it wasn't the best use of Flex, but it at least got us on the radar. They are also experiementing with updating some of the Java games to Flash. Again, neither Google nor Yahoo can utilize Flex 2 because even if they did, no one could see it. Flash Player 8.5 is beta, not publicly available, and you have to download the entire Flex 2 package just to get it (which is a good thing). Yahoo has a lot of efforts in regards to Flex Flash, you just probably haven't read about them, is all, or they didn't get as widely publicized. Bottom line, AJAX is here, has been for awhile, and works. Flex 2 isn't even out yet. Sparkle's awesome, but you don't see people, even Microsoft, creating Sparkle apps. - Original Message - From: dos dedos To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 12:24 PM Subject: [flexcoders] Google, Yahoo hooked on AJAX? Google has purchased at least one company that uses Flash or Flex (a Web analytics startup) but their own internal efforts seem to be always focused on AJAX ... e.g. the latest Google Mars ( http://www.google.com/mars/)So it's fair to wonder why Google isn't doing more with Flex at this time ... and why Flickr (Yahoo) moved from Flash to AJAX ... especially given the fact that Flex 2 has a lot going for it from technical and end-user perspectives. Attitudes change over time and new technologies take a while to adopt, but it'd be nice to understand whether or not Google, Yahoo and others are consciously resisting Flex based on some non-technical reason (e.g. the fact that Flex is a proprietary platform whereas AJAX is not.) Google's and Yahoo's position doesn't matter all that much as far as market adoption for Flex, but it would be interesting to understand the strategic reasons why Google, Yahoo and other major players (e.g. eBay) have so far prefer! red to stick with AJAX. An interesting position for Google and Yahoo would be to endorse AJAX half of the time and Flex the other half, or two thrids to one. This way they would keep the market from leaning too heavily in favor of either. But as of now, they're leaning too heavily in favor of AJAX, yet it's very possible that they'll release (or acquire) something based on Flex 2 in the future. I believe Sun has been very successful with Java on the server side ... Flex could become as popular on the client side as Java is on the server side if it's opened up in the style of the Java Community Process. Just curious if anyone has any insights about where Adobe may be going with Flex ... ?Marc Yahoo! MailBring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. Yahoo! MailBring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. --Flexcoders Mailing ListFAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group flexcoders on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- jignesh dodiya -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubs
RE: [flexcoders] Google, Yahoo hooked on AJAX?
personally id rather not see a technology evangelism debate appear on this forum, thats a little OT for my liking. From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jignesh DodiyaSent: 13 March 2006 18:17To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [flexcoders] Google, Yahoo hooked on AJAX? Jesse has really a mature idea on this.. Don't u think, this forum can bemore fruitfull if anybody from Adobe do share his/her idea on this forum. Afterall its their duty to make people encourage to use flex over AJAX, and the community always likes to hear Flex expert's comment on such intensive topic? On 3/13/06, dos dedos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yahoo has a lot of efforts in regards to Flex Flash, you just probably haven't read about them, is all, or they didn't get as widely publicized. That's what I wanted to find out ... thanks for pointing it out!!! JesterXL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AJAX is here, works, has a large community, is an old technology and thus has a plethora of resources. Flex 2 isn't publicy out yet in an official capacity and Flex 1.5's price point excludes a lot of those types of endeavors. Yahoo uses both; they area big company. Yahoo Maps utilized Flex 1.5. They should of used Flash Player 8's bitmap features so it wasn't the best use of Flex, but it at least got us on the radar. They are also experiementing with updating some of the Java games to Flash. Again, neither Google nor Yahoo can utilize Flex 2 because even if they did, no one could see it. Flash Player 8.5 is beta, not publicly available, and you have to download the entire Flex 2 package just to get it (which is a good thing). Yahoo has a lot of efforts in regards to Flex Flash, you just probably haven't read about them, is all, or they didn't get as widely publicized. Bottom line, AJAX is here, has been for awhile, and works. Flex 2 isn't even out yet. Sparkle's awesome, but you don't see people, even Microsoft, creating Sparkle apps. - Original Message - From: dos dedos To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 12:24 PM Subject: [flexcoders] Google, Yahoo hooked on AJAX? Google has purchased at least one company that uses Flash or Flex (a Web analytics startup) but their own internal efforts seem to be always focused on AJAX ... e.g. the latest Google Mars ( http://www.google.com/mars/)So it's fair to wonder why Google isn't doing more with Flex at this time ... and why Flickr (Yahoo) moved from Flash to AJAX ... especially given the fact that Flex 2 has a lot going for it from technical and end-user perspectives. Attitudes change over time and new technologies take a while to adopt, but it'd be nice to understand whether or not Google, Yahoo and others are consciously resisting Flex based on some non-technical reason (e.g. the fact that Flex is a proprietary platform whereas AJAX is not.) Google's and Yahoo's position doesn't matter all that much as far as market adoption for Flex, but it would be interesting to understand the strategic reasons why Google, Yahoo and other major players (e.g. eBay) have so far prefer! red to stick with AJAX. An interesting position for Google and Yahoo would be to endorse AJAX half of the time and Flex the other half, or two thrids to one. This way they would keep the market from leaning too heavily in favor of either. But as of now, they're leaning too heavily in favor of AJAX, yet it's very possible that they'll release (or acquire) something based on Flex 2 in the future. I believe Sun has been very successful with Java on the server side ... Flex could become as popular on the client side as Java is on the server side if it's opened up in the style of the Java Community Process.Just curious if anyone has any insights about where Adobe may be going with Flex ... ?Marc Yahoo! MailBring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. Yahoo! MailBring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. --Flexcoders Mailing ListFAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- jignesh dodiya --
Re: [flexcoders] Google, Yahoo hooked on AJAX?
Scary. - Original Message - From: Claus Wahlers To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 1:11 PM Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Google, Yahoo hooked on AJAX? you have to download the entire Flex 2 package just to get it (which is a good thing).not true, you can get it separatelycheers,claus. -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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I think it will be 'the proof is in the pudding'. BTW, isn't it the actual developers like us that make a technology seen and be competitive ? :) It's all in the implementation, meaning, users are conditioned to what they see and if they see usable flex2 apps in a year, paradigm shift happens. Peace, MikeOn 3/13/06, dos dedos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree re: no envangelismHowever, it's very helpful for some of of us to understand the context and not just the content of what we're getting into. :) Nick Weekes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: personally id rather not see a technology evangelism debate appear on this forum, thats a little OT for my liking. From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jignesh DodiyaSent: 13 March 2006 18:17To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [flexcoders] Google, Yahoo hooked on AJAX? Jesse has really a mature idea on this.. Don't u think, this forum can bemore fruitfull if anybody from Adobe do share his/her idea on this forum. Afterall its their duty to make people encourage to use flex over AJAX, and the community always likes to hear Flex expert's comment on such intensive topic? On 3/13/06, dos dedos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yahoo has a lot of efforts in regards to Flex Flash, you just probably haven't read about them, is all, or they didn't get as widely publicized. That's what I wanted to find out ... thanks forpointing it out!!! JesterXL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AJAX is here, works, has a large community, is an old technology and thus has a plethora of resources. Flex 2 isn't publicy out yet in an official capacity and Flex 1.5's price point excludes a lot of those types of endeavors. Yahoo uses both; they area big company. Yahoo Maps utilized Flex 1.5. They should of used Flash Player 8's bitmap features so it wasn't the best use of Flex, but it at least got us on the radar. They are also experiementing with updating some of the Java games to Flash. Again, neither Google nor Yahoo can utilize Flex 2 because even if they did, no one could see it. Flash Player 8.5 is beta, not publicly available, and you have to download the entire Flex 2 package just to get it (which is a good thing). Yahoo has a lot of efforts in regards to Flex Flash, you just probably haven't read about them, is all, or they didn't get as widely publicized. Bottom line, AJAX is here, has been for awhile, and works. Flex 2 isn't even out yet. Sparkle's awesome, but you don't see people, even Microsoft, creating Sparkle apps. - Original Message - From: dos dedos To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 12:24 PM Subject: [flexcoders] Google, Yahoo hooked on AJAX? Google has purchased at least one company that uses Flash or Flex (a Web analytics startup) but their own internal efforts seem to be always focused on AJAX ... e.g. the latest Google Mars ( http://www.google.com/mars/)So it's fair to wonder why Google isn't doing more with Flex at this time ... and why Flickr (Yahoo) moved from Flash to AJAX ... especially given the fact that Flex 2 has a lot going for it from technical and end-user perspectives. Attitudes change over time and new technologies take a while to adopt, but it'd be nice to understand whether or not Google, Yahoo and others are consciously resisting Flex based on some non-technical reason (e.g. the fact that Flex is a proprietary platform whereas AJAX is not.) Google's and Yahoo's position doesn't matter all that much as far as market adoption for Flex, but it would be interesting to understand the strategic reasons why Google, Yahoo and other major players (e.g. eBay) have so far prefer! red to stick with AJAX. An interesting position for Google and Yahoo would be to endorse AJAX half of the time and Flex the other half, or two thrids to one. This way they would keep the market from leaning too heavily in favor of either. But as of now, they're leaning too heavily in favor of AJAX, yet it's very possible that they'll release (or acquire) something based on Flex 2 in the future. I believe Sun has been very successful with Java on the server side ... Flex could become as popular on the client side as Java is on the server side if it's opened up in the style of the Java Community Process.Just curious if anyone has any insights about where Adobe may be going with Flex ... ?Marc Yahoo! MailBring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. Yahoo! MailBring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.--Flexcoders Mailing ListFAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txtSearch Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSOREDLINKS Web site design development Computer software
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My guess is the consideration for the people on dial up. My mom and dad can only get 28.8 (sometimes they connect @ 14.4) (That's like 3KB/sec max transfer.) An average flex app... is like what... 200KB ?200KB / 3KB/sec = (start run calc) 66.66 seconds... I go crazy when I visit. (This does presume that I wasn't crazy before I got there however.)On 3/13/06, dos dedos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Google has purchased at least one company that uses Flash or Flex (a Web analytics startup) but their own internal efforts seem to be always focused on AJAX ... e.g. the latest Google Mars ( http://www.google.com/mars/)So it's fair to wonder why Google isn't doing more with Flex at this time ... and why Flickr (Yahoo) moved from Flash to AJAX ... especially given the fact that Flex 2 has a lot going for it from technical and end-user perspectives. Attitudes change over time and new technologies take a while to adopt, but it'd be nice to understand whether or not Google, Yahoo and others are consciously resisting Flex based on some non-technical reason (e.g . the fact that Flex is a proprietary platform whereas AJAX is not.) Google's and Yahoo's position doesn't matter all that much as far as market adoption for Flex, but it would be interesting to understand the strategic reasons why Google, Yahoo and other major players (e.g. eBay) have so far preferred to stick with AJAX.An interesting position for Google and Yahoo would be to endorse AJAX half of the time and Flex the other half, or two thrids to one. This way they would keep the market from leaning too heavily in favor of either. But as of now, they're leaning too heavily in favor of AJAX, yet it's very possible that they'll release (or acquire) something based on Flex 2 in the future. I believe Sun has been very successful with Java on the server side ... Flex could become as popular on the client side as Java is on the server side if it's opened up in the style of the Java Community Process. Just curious if anyone has any insights about where Adobe may be going with Flex ... ?Marc Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group flexcoders on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Usable pudding?Michael Schmalle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I think it will be 'the proof is in the pudding'. BTW, isn't it the actual developers like us that make a technology seen and be competitive ? :) It's all in the implementation, meaning, users are conditioned to what they see and if they see usable flex2 apps in a year, paradigm shift happens. Peace, MikeOn 3/13/06, dos dedos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I agree re: no envangelismHowever, it's very helpful for some of of us to understand the context and not just the content of what we're getting into. :) Nick Weekes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:personally id rather not see a technology evangelism debate appear on this forum, thats a little OT for my liking. From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jignesh DodiyaSent: 13 March 2006 18:17To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [flexcoders] Google, Yahoo hooked on AJAX? Jesse has really a mature idea on this.. Don't u think, this forum can bemore fruitfull if anybody from Adobe do share his/her idea on this forum. Afterall its their duty to make people encourage to use flex over AJAX, and the community always likes to hear Flex expert's comment on such intensive topic? On 3/13/06, dos dedos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yahoo has a lot of efforts in regards to Flex Flash, you just probably haven't read about them, is all, or they didn't get as widely publicized. That's what I wanted to find out ... thanks forpointing it out!!! JesterXL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AJAX is here, works, has a large community, is an old technology and thus has a plethora of resources. Flex 2 isn't publicy out yet in an official capacity and Flex 1.5's price point excludes a lot of those types of endeavors. Yahoo uses both; they area big company. Yahoo Maps utilized Flex 1.5. They should of used Flash Player 8's bitmap features so it wasn't the best use of Flex, but it at least got us on the radar. They are also experiementing with updating some of the Java games to Flash. Again, neither Google nor Yahoo can utilize Flex 2 because even if they did, no one could see it. Flash Player 8.5 is beta, not publicly available, and you have to download the entire Flex 2 package just to get it (which is a good thing). Yahoo has a lot of efforts in regards to Flex Flash, you just probably haven't read about them, is all, or they didn't get as widely publicized. Bottom line, AJAX is here, has been for awhile, and works. Flex 2 isn't even out yet. Sparkle's awesome, but you don't see people, even Microsoft, creating Sparkle apps.- Original Message - From: dos dedos To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 12:24 PM Subject: [flexcoders] Google, Yahoo hooked on AJAX? Google has purchased at least one company that uses Flash or Flex (a Web analytics startup) but their own internal efforts seem to be always focused on AJAX ... e.g. the latest Google Mars ( http://www.google.com/mars/)So it's fair to wonder why Google isn't doing more with Flex at this time ... and why Flickr (Yahoo) moved from Flash to AJAX ... especially given the fact that Flex 2 has a lot going for it from technical and end-user perspectives. Attitudes change over time and new technologies take a while to adopt, but it'd be nice to understand whether or not Google, Yahoo and others are consciously resisting Flex based on some non-technical reason (e.g. the fact that Flex is a proprietary platform whereas AJAX is not.) Google's and Yahoo's position doesn't matter all that much as far as market adoption for Flex, but it would be interesting to understand the strategic reasons why Google, Yahoo and other major players (e.g. eBay) have so far prefer! red to stick with AJAX. An interesting position for Google and Yahoo would be to endorse AJAX half of the time and Flex the other half, or two thrids to one. This way they would keep the market from leaning too heavily in favor of either. But as of now, they're leaning too heavily in favor of AJAX, yet it's very possible that they'll release (or acquire) something based on Flex 2 in the future. I believe Sun has been very successful with Java on the server side ... Flex could become as popular on the client side as Java is on the server side if it's opened up in the style of the Java Community Process.Just curious if anyone has any insights about where Adobe may be going with Flex ... ?Marc Yahoo! MailBring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. Yahoo! MailBring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.--Flexcoders Mailing ListFAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txtSearch Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSOREDLINKS
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Figure of speech... ;-) First you boild the water, then you add the pudding mix milk, then you stir with love, then you let simmer, then you refirgerate for half a day, then it taste mmm mm good. But, it wans't pudding to begin with, only if you read the directions first. :) Peace, MikeOn 3/13/06, dos dedos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Usable pudding?Michael Schmalle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I think it will be 'the proof is in the pudding'. BTW, isn't it the actual developers like us that make a technology seen and be competitive ? :) It's all in the implementation, meaning, users are conditioned to what they see and if they see usable flex2 apps in a year, paradigm shift happens. Peace, MikeOn 3/13/06, dos dedos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I agree re: no envangelism However, it's very helpful for some of of us to understand the context and not just the content of what we're getting into. :) Nick Weekes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: personally id rather not see a technology evangelism debate appear on this forum, thats a little OT for my liking. From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jignesh DodiyaSent: 13 March 2006 18:17To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [flexcoders] Google, Yahoo hooked on AJAX? Jesse has really a mature idea on this.. Don't u think, this forum can bemore fruitfull if anybody from Adobe do share his/her idea on this forum. Afterall its their duty to make people encourage to use flex over AJAX, and the community always likes to hear Flex expert's comment on such intensive topic? On 3/13/06, dos dedos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yahoo has a lot of efforts in regards to Flex Flash, you just probably haven't read about them, is all, or they didn't get as widely publicized. That's what I wanted to find out ... thanks forpointing it out!!! JesterXL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AJAX is here, works, has a large community, is an old technology and thus has a plethora of resources. Flex 2 isn't publicy out yet in an official capacity and Flex 1.5's price point excludes a lot of those types of endeavors. Yahoo uses both; they area big company. Yahoo Maps utilized Flex 1.5. They should of used Flash Player 8's bitmap features so it wasn't the best use of Flex, but it at least got us on the radar. They are also experiementing with updating some of the Java games to Flash. Again, neither Google nor Yahoo can utilize Flex 2 because even if they did, no one could see it. Flash Player 8.5 is beta, not publicly available, and you have to download the entire Flex 2 package just to get it (which is a good thing). Yahoo has a lot of efforts in regards to Flex Flash, you just probably haven't read about them, is all, or they didn't get as widely publicized. Bottom line, AJAX is here, has been for awhile, and works. Flex 2 isn't even out yet. Sparkle's awesome, but you don't see people, even Microsoft, creating Sparkle apps. - Original Message - From: dos dedos To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 12:24 PM Subject: [flexcoders] Google, Yahoo hooked on AJAX? Google has purchased at least one company that uses Flash or Flex (a Web analytics startup) but their own internal efforts seem to be always focused on AJAX ... e.g. the latest Google Mars ( http://www.google.com/mars/)So it's fair to wonder why Google isn't doing more with Flex at this time ... and why Flickr (Yahoo) moved from Flash to AJAX ... especially given the fact that Flex 2 has a lot going for it from technical and end-user perspectives. Attitudes change over time and new technologies take a while to adopt, but it'd be nice to understand whether or not Google, Yahoo and others are consciously resisting Flex based on some non-technical reason (e.g. the fact that Flex is a proprietary platform whereas AJAX is not.) Google's and Yahoo's position doesn't matter all that much as far as market adoption for Flex, but it would be interesting to understand the strategic reasons why Google, Yahoo and other major players (e.g. eBay) have so far prefer! red to stick with AJAX. An interesting position for Google and Yahoo would be to endorse AJAX half of the time and Flex the other half, or two thrids to one. This way they would keep the market from leaning too heavily in favor of either. But as of now, they're leaning too heavily in favor of AJAX, yet it's very possible that they'll release (or acquire) something based on Flex 2 in the future. I believe Sun has been very successful with Java on the server side ... Flex could become as popular on the client side as Java is on the server side if it's opened up in the style of the Java Community Process.Just curious if anyone has any insights about where Adobe may be going with Flex ... ?Marc Yahoo! MailBring photos
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Thats' right! we're developers, we make our own pudding! :)Michael Schmalle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Figure of speech... ;-) First you boild the water, then you add the pudding mix milk, then you stir with love, then you let simmer, then you refirgerate for half a day, then it taste mmm mm good. But, it wans't pudding to begin with, only if you read the directions first. :) Peace, MikeOn 3/13/06, dos dedos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Usable pudding?Michael Schmalle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I think it will be 'the proof is in the pudding'. BTW, isn't it the actual developers like us that make a technology seen and be competitive ? :) It's all in the implementation, meaning, users are conditioned to what they see and if they see usable flex2 apps in a year, paradigm shift happens. Peace, MikeOn 3/13/06, dos dedos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I agree re: no envangelism However, it's very helpful for some of of us to understand the context and not just the content of what we're getting into. :) Nick Weekes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: personally id rather not see a technology evangelism debate appear on this forum, thats a little OT for my liking. From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jignesh DodiyaSent: 13 March 2006 18:17To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [flexcoders] Google, Yahoo hooked on AJAX? Jesse has really a mature idea on this.. Don't u think, this forum can bemore fruitfull if anybody from Adobe do share his/her idea on this forum. Afterall its their duty to make people encourage to use flex over AJAX, and the community always likes to hear Flex expert's comment on such intensive topic? On 3/13/06, dos dedos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yahoo has a lot of efforts in regards to Flex Flash, you just probably haven't read about them, is all, or they didn't get as widely publicized. That's what I wanted to find out ... thanks forpointing it out!!! JesterXL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AJAX is here, works, has a large community, is an old technology and thus has a plethora of resources. Flex 2 isn't publicy out yet in an official capacity and Flex 1.5's price point excludes a lot of those types of endeavors.Yahoo uses both; they area big company. Yahoo Maps utilized Flex 1.5. They should of used Flash Player 8's bitmap features so it wasn't the best use of Flex, but it at least got us on the radar. They are also experiementing with updating some of the Java games to Flash. Again, neither Google nor Yahoo can utilize Flex 2 because even if they did, no one could see it. Flash Player 8.5 is beta, not publicly available, and you have to download the entire Flex 2 package just to get it (which is a good thing). Yahoo has a lot of efforts in regards to Flex Flash, you just probably haven't read about them, is all, or they didn't get as widely publicized. Bottom line, AJAX is here, has been for awhile, and works. Flex 2 isn't even out yet. Sparkle's awesome, but you don't see people, even Microsoft, creating Sparkle apps. - Original Message - From: dos dedos To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 12:24 PM Subject: [flexcoders] Google, Yahoo hooked on AJAX? Google has purchased at least one company that uses Flash or Flex (a Web analytics startup) but their own internal efforts seem to be always focused on AJAX ... e.g. the latest Google Mars ( http://www.google.com/mars/)So it's fair to wonder why Google isn't doing more with Flex at this time ... and why Flickr (Yahoo) moved from Flash to AJAX ... especially given the fact that Flex 2 has a lot going for it from technical and end-user perspectives. Attitudes change over time and new technologies take a while to adopt, but it'd be nice to understand whether or not Google, Yahoo and others are consciously resisting Flex based on some non-technical reason (e.g. the fact that Flex is a proprietary platform whereas AJAX is not.) Google's and Yahoo's position doesn't matter all that much as far as market adoption for Flex, but it would be interesting to understand the strategic reasons why Google, Yahoo and other major players (e.g. eBay) have so far prefer! red to stick with AJAX. An interesting position for Google and Yahoo would be to endorse AJAX half of the time and Flex the other half, or two thrids to one. This way they would keep the market from leaning too heavily in favor of either. But as of now, they're leaning too heavily in favor of AJAX, yet it's very possible that they'll release (or acquire) something based on Flex 2 in the future. I believe Sun has been very successful with Java on the server side ... Flex could become as popular on the client side as Java is on the server side if it's opened up in the style of the Java Community Process.Just curious if anyone has any
