RE: [flexcoders] New to Flex and deciding...
Hello, 1. Somewhere they say that the SDK is now free but the builder ispriced and with that will be one framework license. I don't quiteunderstand what is this framework license. The Framework and compiler are free for both development and deployment.You can use them with any text editor ro develop your code. There are nohidden costs. The FlexBuilder tool, and the Charting components will be charged on a per developer seat basis. In otherwords, if you want to use them, you can buy a copy (for someamount less that $1,000) and use them to create any and all applications you want.There are no additional license fees for deploying applications.2. In the book there is reference that you can (technically) delivercompiled mxml files from your website but it will be a licenseviolation. Is it still true with 2.0? This is not true with 2.0. 3. I understand that Data Services are priced and will need licensebut if I use HTTP Service and use compiled mxml application as UI toconnect to my server "without" any Flex server component. Can I do itwithout any licensing from Macromedia? Correct. You can deliver a compiled SWF from the SDK and connect to your server without any licensed server softwarefrom Adobe/Macromedia. Bottomline. I am working on a shoestring. I need to get startedquickly with a budget of $200/yr. (which means mostly open sourceCPL/GPL software). Of course when I grow and need more commercialfeatures I will loosen my purse but I do not like any entry barriers(who does?) Does Flex2.0 licensing model accomodate people like me or not? Yes it does. :) Regards, David Adobe -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [flexcoders] New to Flex and deciding...
1. SDK = Flash Player 8.5 + mxmlc + compc + Flex 2 Component Framework (source code to compile) That's all free. Flex Builder 2, the Eclipse plugin or optional standalone, is not free. 2 3 I'll let others handle. - Original Message - From: nasirk09 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 10:05 PM Subject: [flexcoders] New to Flex and deciding... Hi, I am new to Flex, bought the Flex book and started using the 2.0 beta. I love it. I am however confused by the Flex2.0 licensing. What is free and what is not? 1. Somewhere they say that the SDK is now free but the builder is priced and with that will be one framework license. I don't quite understand what is this framework license. 2. In the book there is reference that you can (technically) deliver compiled mxml files from your website but it will be a license violation. Is it still true with 2.0? 3. I understand that Data Services are priced and will need license but if I use HTTP Service and use compiled mxml application as UI to connect to my server without any Flex server component. Can I do it without any licensing from Macromedia? Bottomline. I am working on a shoestring. I need to get started quickly with a budget of $200/yr. (which means mostly open source CPL/GPL software). Of course when I grow and need more commercial features I will loosen my purse but I do not like any entry barriers (who does?) Does Flex2.0 licensing model accomodate people like me or not? I posted these questions to almost all Flex email addresses I could get but there was no reply. (Which I construe as sorry not interested). The website has conflicting information as I mentioned in 1. Anyway, there is an alternative in OpenLaszlo but I think in terms of features it is not as rich as Flex. Any clarification in this regard will be greatly appreciated, as I need to decide on the choice of platform in very near future. Thanks Nasir -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [flexcoders] New to Flex and deciding...
Manuel/David/JesterXL Thanks a lot for the clarifications and insights. Are all the licensing details you mentioned already finalized at Macromedia or are they still deciding? The reason I ask this again is because I could not find this information on any official macromedia site, there are some blogs which talk about it, some lists and so forth. In one of the blogs their product manager said we intend to make SDK free... the intention is not good enough for people like me :-) On the contrary I came accross this yesterday - http://www.macromedia.com/software/flex/productinfo/ncni/scenarios.html It just talks about Non-Commercial licenses. I have all intentions to be commercial from day-1. And would be happy to buy upgrade/cluster licenses, I just dont want to pay upfront costs. This material could be dated but there is so much and often conflicting information on licensing and costs. Thanks Nasir --- Manuel Saint-Victor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nasir, You'll probably get more precise answers to the individual aspects of your questions from other members but i just wanted to help you with the confusion aspect. Flex 2 and Flex 1.* are entirely different worlds. The rules have been entirely changed and deployment now costs you nothing. The files generated from Flex 2 do not require any type of server license. From what I understand the builder will be priced. The builder being the thing you are enjoying dragging and dropping in as we speak. It's very nice and makes developing your apps a wonderful experience. However if you want to drop your prices to zero you'll still be able to create your applications (write and compile) using other text tools and the compiler(which will continue to be free). The framework - which I believe to be the components etc- will also be free- So you'll be able to use say the datagrid- you just can't drag and drop it onto your canvas for free- You can write the mxml text file by hand and still get your app to do what it needs to do. As far as the data services- They are free to a point- I haven't investigated all of the details of that yet but from what I understand you can build a fully functional application that is only limited in the number of users that can access it at one time (if I'm wrong someone please correct me). So I believe the HTTPService will be entirely free. If you are operating on a budget I think Flex will suit your needs. Based on your description the only limitation will be the amount of elbow grease you are willing to put into it(other than the data services aspect). Based on the way you come across- you're ready to grow and pay your dues- I feel as if Flex and the Flash platform overall is designed with that in mind. Hopefully i answered some of your questions and at the very least got rid of the feeling that the community is not listening- I think we are all in sprint mode right now as we try to keep up with the explosive growth of Flash as a whole. SPONSORED LINKS Web site design developmenthttp://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Web+site+design+developmentw1=Web+site+design+developmentw2=Computer+software+developmentw3=Software+design+and+developmentw4=Macromedia+flexw5=Software+development+best+practicec=5s=166.sig=L-4QTvxB_quFDtMyhrQaHQ Computer software developmenthttp://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Computer+software+developmentw1=Web+site+design+developmentw2=Computer+software+developmentw3=Software+design+and+developmentw4=Macromedia+flexw5=Software+development+best+practicec=5s=166.sig=lvQjSRfQDfWudJSe1lLjHw Software design and developmenthttp://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Software+design+and+developmentw1=Web+site+design+developmentw2=Computer+software+developmentw3=Software+design+and+developmentw4=Macromedia+flexw5=Software+development+best+practicec=5s=166.sig=1pMBCdo3DsJbuU9AEmO1oQ Macromedia flexhttp://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Macromedia+flexw1=Web+site+design+developmentw2=Computer+software+developmentw3=Software+design+and+developmentw4=Macromedia+flexw5=Software+development+best+practicec=5s=166.sig=OO6nPIrz7_EpZI36cYzBjw Software development best practicehttp://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Software+development+best+practicew1=Web+site+design+developmentw2=Computer+software+developmentw3=Software+design+and+developmentw4=Macromedia+flexw5=Software+development+best+practicec=5s=166.sig=f89quyyulIDsnABLD6IXIw -- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS - Visit your group flexcodershttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders on the web. - To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] - Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. -- __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
RE: [flexcoders] New to Flex and deciding...
Hi, The final license agreements are being worked on by our teams. But the basic outlines are final and my earlier email explains them. The information on non-commercial licenses on our site is based on the Flex 1.5 timeframe, it has not been updated for 2.0. Hope this helps, David Adobe -Original Message- From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nasir Khan Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 2:50 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] New to Flex and deciding... Manuel/David/JesterXL Thanks a lot for the clarifications and insights. Are all the licensing details you mentioned already finalized at Macromedia or are they still deciding? The reason I ask this again is because I could not find this information on any official macromedia site, there are some blogs which talk about it, some lists and so forth. In one of the blogs their product manager said we intend to make SDK free... the intention is not good enough for people like me :-) On the contrary I came accross this yesterday - http://www.macromedia.com/software/flex/productinfo/ncni/scena rios.html It just talks about Non-Commercial licenses. I have all intentions to be commercial from day-1. And would be happy to buy upgrade/cluster licenses, I just dont want to pay upfront costs. This material could be dated but there is so much and often conflicting information on licensing and costs. Thanks Nasir --- Manuel Saint-Victor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nasir, You'll probably get more precise answers to the individual aspects of your questions from other members but i just wanted to help you with the confusion aspect. Flex 2 and Flex 1.* are entirely different worlds. The rules have been entirely changed and deployment now costs you nothing. The files generated from Flex 2 do not require any type of server license. From what I understand the builder will be priced. The builder being the thing you are enjoying dragging and dropping in as we speak. It's very nice and makes developing your apps a wonderful experience. However if you want to drop your prices to zero you'll still be able to create your applications (write and compile) using other text tools and the compiler(which will continue to be free). The framework - which I believe to be the components etc- will also be free- So you'll be able to use say the datagrid- you just can't drag and drop it onto your canvas for free- You can write the mxml text file by hand and still get your app to do what it needs to do. As far as the data services- They are free to a point- I haven't investigated all of the details of that yet but from what I understand you can build a fully functional application that is only limited in the number of users that can access it at one time (if I'm wrong someone please correct me). So I believe the HTTPService will be entirely free. If you are operating on a budget I think Flex will suit your needs. Based on your description the only limitation will be the amount of elbow grease you are willing to put into it(other than the data services aspect). Based on the way you come across- you're ready to grow and pay your dues- I feel as if Flex and the Flash platform overall is designed with that in mind. Hopefully i answered some of your questions and at the very least got rid of the feeling that the community is not listening- I think we are all in sprint mode right now as we try to keep up with the explosive growth of Flash as a whole. SPONSORED LINKS Web site design developmenthttp://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Web+site+desig n+developmentw1=Web+site+design+developmentw2 =Computer+software+developmentw3=Software+design+and+developm entw4=Macromedia+flexw5=Software+development+best+practicec=5 s=166.sig=L-4QTvxB_quFDtMyhrQaHQ Computer software developmenthttp://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Computer+softw are+developmentw1=Web+site+design+developmentw2 =Computer+software+developmentw3=Software+design+and+developm entw4=Macromedia+flexw5=Software+development+best+practicec=5 s=166.sig=lvQjSRfQDfWudJSe1lLjHw Software design and developmenthttp://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Software+desig n+and+developmentw1=Web+site+design+developmentw2 =Computer+software+developmentw3=Software+design+and+developm entw4=Macromedia+flexw5=Software+development+best+practicec=5 s=166.sig=1pMBCdo3DsJbuU9AEmO1oQ Macromedia flexhttp://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Macromedia+flexw1=We b+site+design+developmentw2=Computer+software+developmentw3 =Software+design+and+developmentw4=Macromedia+flexw5=Softwar e+development+best+practicec=5s=166.sig=OO6nPIrz7 _EpZI36cYzBjw Software development best practicehttp://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Software+developm ent+best+practicew1=Web+site+design+developmentw2
[flexcoders] New to Flex and deciding...
Hi, I am new to Flex, bought the Flex book and started using the 2.0 beta. I love it. I am however confused by the Flex2.0 licensing. What is free and what is not? 1. Somewhere they say that the SDK is now free but the builder is priced and with that will be one framework license. I don't quite understand what is this framework license. 2. In the book there is reference that you can (technically) deliver compiled mxml files from your website but it will be a license violation. Is it still true with 2.0? 3. I understand that Data Services are priced and will need license but if I use HTTP Service and use compiled mxml application as UI to connect to my server without any Flex server component. Can I do it without any licensing from Macromedia? Bottomline. I am working on a shoestring. I need to get started quickly with a budget of $200/yr. (which means mostly open source CPL/GPL software). Of course when I grow and need more commercial features I will loosen my purse but I do not like any entry barriers (who does?) Does Flex2.0 licensing model accomodate people like me or not? I posted these questions to almost all Flex email addresses I could get but there was no reply. (Which I construe as sorry not interested). The website has conflicting information as I mentioned in 1. Anyway, there is an alternative in OpenLaszlo but I think in terms of features it is not as rich as Flex. Any clarification in this regard will be greatly appreciated, as I need to decide on the choice of platform in very near future. Thanks Nasir -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
