Re: [flexcoders] Re: Flex Builder 3 vs SDK and Charting
On Wednesday 05 Mar 2008, Matt Chotin wrote: In Flex 2, Charting was licensed per-machine (i.e. you'd need a licence for the dev and the build boxes). Is this now different for data vis. in Flex 3 You know what, you're right. We had thought about trying to make the distinction in this version but then realized that it complicated the license language a whole lot and didn't think enough people would have a problem paying for their server license to make it worth trying to adjust. I had to go find my old notes to remember this. You cannot imagine how many hours were spent on the license :-) OK, which bit is right then :-) a) A Flex 3 data vis. licence is per-machine, you need one for your dev. box and one for your build server, just like Flex 2 charting. b) A Flex 3 data vis. licence is shareable, you can reuse the one from your dev. box on your build server, but no where else. c) A Flex 3 data vis. licence is a site licence, and can be reused on as many machines on one site as needed. My bet is a), right ? -- Tom Chiverton, IANAL even though I work with them This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Flex Builder 3 vs SDK and Charting
(a) is correct. On 3/6/08 1:58 AM, Tom Chiverton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 05 Mar 2008, Matt Chotin wrote: In Flex 2, Charting was licensed per-machine (i.e. you'd need a licence for the dev and the build boxes). Is this now different for data vis. in Flex 3 You know what, you're right. We had thought about trying to make the distinction in this version but then realized that it complicated the license language a whole lot and didn't think enough people would have a problem paying for their server license to make it worth trying to adjust. I had to go find my old notes to remember this. You cannot imagine how many hours were spent on the license :-) OK, which bit is right then :-) a) A Flex 3 data vis. licence is per-machine, you need one for your dev. box and one for your build server, just like Flex 2 charting. b) A Flex 3 data vis. licence is shareable, you can reuse the one from your dev. box on your build server, but no where else. c) A Flex 3 data vis. licence is a site licence, and can be reused on as many machines on one site as needed. My bet is a), right ? -- Tom Chiverton, IANAL even though I work with them This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Flex Builder 3 vs SDK and Charting
On Tuesday 04 Mar 2008, Matt Chotin wrote: We wrote the license to allow you to copy the dataviz.swc and a valid serial from one of your developer machines onto the build machine. So assuming your developers have FB Pro and are set, your build machine will be fine too. Oh. In Flex 2, Charting was licensed per-machine (i.e. you'd need a licence for the dev and the build boxes). Is this now different for data vis. in Flex 3 then ? -- Tom Chiverton Helping to confidentially market world-class niches on: http://thefalken.livejournal.com This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Flex Builder 3 vs SDK and Charting
You know what, you're right. We had thought about trying to make the distinction in this version but then realized that it complicated the license language a whole lot and didn't think enough people would have a problem paying for their server license to make it worth trying to adjust. I had to go find my old notes to remember this. You cannot imagine how many hours were spent on the license :-) Matt On 3/5/08 2:44 AM, Tom Chiverton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 04 Mar 2008, Matt Chotin wrote: We wrote the license to allow you to copy the dataviz.swc and a valid serial from one of your developer machines onto the build machine. So assuming your developers have FB Pro and are set, your build machine will be fine too. Oh. In Flex 2, Charting was licensed per-machine (i.e. you'd need a licence for the dev and the build boxes). Is this now different for data vis. in Flex 3 then ? -- Tom Chiverton Helping to confidentially market world-class niches on: http://thefalken.livejournal.com This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links
[flexcoders] Re: Flex Builder 3 vs SDK and Charting
I think I was a bit unclear in my question. What I meant to ask was if there was a way to get the charting libraries without also purchasing the full Flex Builder. We have several Flex developers on the team who are using FB, but our entire codebase (which contains other technologies as well) is built nightly by a build machine. I was trying to find out if it's possible to obtain a separate license just for the datavisualization package, to be used with the SDK, on the build machine. But from the sound of it, it's either all or nothing (figuratively speaking of course, since the SDK is far from nothing)? I'm assuming it would be breaking the license agreement if one of the developers copied his dataviz package to the build machine? Thanks, oliver --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Matt Chotin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, if you install FB Pro you can then copy the datavisualization.swc into your SDK, apply your FB Pro serial number in flex-config (or on the command-line) and away you go. Matt On 3/3/08 9:02 PM, Beau Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You just have to include the charting SWC in your lib path (either the command line option or your custom flex-config.xml file) and make sure your charting and fb3 license code are in your flex-config.xml file. Beau From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of krieger824 Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 6:38 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Flex Builder 3 vs SDK and Charting Hi Matt, since you said that the charting libraries only come with Flex 3 Pro, is there a command-line only version of Flex 3 Pro available? And if not, does this mean it will not be possible to compile any charting projects without installing Flex Builder? I tried to look for an add-on package similar to the way it was done in Flex 2, but didn't seem to be able to find a download link. Thanks, oliver --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.commailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com , Matt Chotin mchotin@ wrote: Hi, Flex SDK does not include charting functionality on its own. Flex Builder Pro is what provides charting as of Flex 3, and that charting has been improved since Flex 2 with new features such as the Advanced DataGrid, data-oriented graphics API, etc. Matt On 2/27/08 8:59 AM, Troy Gilbert troy.gilbert@ wrote: It states that the Flex 3 SDK has more charting capabilities than the Flex Builder 3. I came across with the same impression. AFAIK, the Flex SDK and Flex Builder 3 Standard have the same capabilities (since Flex Builder 3 Standard uses the SDK!), and I believe Flex Builder 3 Pro has some additional capabilities, which I assume to be design view related or wizards, in regards to charting. Of course, my expectation until I saw that was that the Flex SDK stand-alone (free) doesn't include any charting, but who knows... I'd chalk it up to bad writing/marketing... Troy. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.3/1308 - Release Date: 3/3/2008 10:01 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.3/1308 - Release Date: 3/3/2008 10:01 AM
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Flex Builder 3 vs SDK and Charting
On Tuesday 04 Mar 2008, krieger824 wrote: But from the sound of it, it's either all or nothing (figuratively speaking of course, since the SDK is far from nothing)? I'm assuming it would be breaking the license agreement if one of the developers copied his dataviz package to the build machine? You could have the developer use one with no license (i.e. the watermarking is still there) and the build box could be given the license. -- Tom Chiverton Helping to appropriately cultivate integrated initiatives on: http://thefalken.livejournal.com This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Flex Builder 3 vs SDK and Charting
We wrote the license to allow you to copy the dataviz.swc and a valid serial from one of your developer machines onto the build machine. So assuming your developers have FB Pro and are set, your build machine will be fine too. Matt On 3/4/08 6:36 AM, krieger824 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think I was a bit unclear in my question. What I meant to ask was if there was a way to get the charting libraries without also purchasing the full Flex Builder. We have several Flex developers on the team who are using FB, but our entire codebase (which contains other technologies as well) is built nightly by a build machine. I was trying to find out if it's possible to obtain a separate license just for the datavisualization package, to be used with the SDK, on the build machine. But from the sound of it, it's either all or nothing (figuratively speaking of course, since the SDK is far from nothing)? I'm assuming it would be breaking the license agreement if one of the developers copied his dataviz package to the build machine? Thanks, oliver --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.commailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com , Matt Chotin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, if you install FB Pro you can then copy the datavisualization.swc into your SDK, apply your FB Pro serial number in flex-config (or on the command-line) and away you go. Matt On 3/3/08 9:02 PM, Beau Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You just have to include the charting SWC in your lib path (either the command line option or your custom flex-config.xml file) and make sure your charting and fb3 license code are in your flex-config.xml file. Beau From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.commailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.commailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of krieger824 Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 6:38 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.commailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Flex Builder 3 vs SDK and Charting Hi Matt, since you said that the charting libraries only come with Flex 3 Pro, is there a command-line only version of Flex 3 Pro available? And if not, does this mean it will not be possible to compile any charting projects without installing Flex Builder? I tried to look for an add-on package similar to the way it was done in Flex 2, but didn't seem to be able to find a download link. Thanks, oliver --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.commailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.commailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.commailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.commailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com , Matt Chotin mchotin@ wrote: Hi, Flex SDK does not include charting functionality on its own. Flex Builder Pro is what provides charting as of Flex 3, and that charting has been improved since Flex 2 with new features such as the Advanced DataGrid, data-oriented graphics API, etc. Matt On 2/27/08 8:59 AM, Troy Gilbert troy.gilbert@ wrote: It states that the Flex 3 SDK has more charting capabilities than the Flex Builder 3. I came across with the same impression. AFAIK, the Flex SDK and Flex Builder 3 Standard have the same capabilities (since Flex Builder 3 Standard uses the SDK!), and I believe Flex Builder 3 Pro has some additional capabilities, which I assume to be design view related or wizards, in regards to charting. Of course, my expectation until I saw that was that the Flex SDK stand-alone (free) doesn't include any charting, but who knows... I'd chalk it up to bad writing/marketing... Troy. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.3/1308 - Release Date: 3/3/2008 10:01 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.3/1308 - Release Date: 3/3/2008 10:01 AM
[flexcoders] Re: Flex Builder 3 vs SDK and Charting
Hi Matt, since you said that the charting libraries only come with Flex 3 Pro, is there a command-line only version of Flex 3 Pro available? And if not, does this mean it will not be possible to compile any charting projects without installing Flex Builder? I tried to look for an add-on package similar to the way it was done in Flex 2, but didn't seem to be able to find a download link. Thanks, oliver --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Matt Chotin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Flex SDK does not include charting functionality on its own. Flex Builder Pro is what provides charting as of Flex 3, and that charting has been improved since Flex 2 with new features such as the Advanced DataGrid, data-oriented graphics API, etc. Matt On 2/27/08 8:59 AM, Troy Gilbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It states that the Flex 3 SDK has more charting capabilities than the Flex Builder 3. I came across with the same impression. AFAIK, the Flex SDK and Flex Builder 3 Standard have the same capabilities (since Flex Builder 3 Standard uses the SDK!), and I believe Flex Builder 3 Pro has some additional capabilities, which I assume to be design view related or wizards, in regards to charting. Of course, my expectation until I saw that was that the Flex SDK stand-alone (free) doesn't include any charting, but who knows... I'd chalk it up to bad writing/marketing... Troy.
RE: [flexcoders] Re: Flex Builder 3 vs SDK and Charting
You just have to include the charting SWC in your lib path (either the command line option or your custom flex-config.xml file) and make sure your charting and fb3 license code are in your flex-config.xml file. Beau From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of krieger824 Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 6:38 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Flex Builder 3 vs SDK and Charting Hi Matt, since you said that the charting libraries only come with Flex 3 Pro, is there a command-line only version of Flex 3 Pro available? And if not, does this mean it will not be possible to compile any charting projects without installing Flex Builder? I tried to look for an add-on package similar to the way it was done in Flex 2, but didn't seem to be able to find a download link. Thanks, oliver --- In HYPERLINK mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.comflexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Matt Chotin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Flex SDK does not include charting functionality on its own. Flex Builder Pro is what provides charting as of Flex 3, and that charting has been improved since Flex 2 with new features such as the Advanced DataGrid, data-oriented graphics API, etc. Matt On 2/27/08 8:59 AM, Troy Gilbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It states that the Flex 3 SDK has more charting capabilities than the Flex Builder 3. I came across with the same impression. AFAIK, the Flex SDK and Flex Builder 3 Standard have the same capabilities (since Flex Builder 3 Standard uses the SDK!), and I believe Flex Builder 3 Pro has some additional capabilities, which I assume to be design view related or wizards, in regards to charting. Of course, my expectation until I saw that was that the Flex SDK stand-alone (free) doesn't include any charting, but who knows... I'd chalk it up to bad writing/marketing... Troy. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.3/1308 - Release Date: 3/3/2008 10:01 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.3/1308 - Release Date: 3/3/2008 10:01 AM image001.jpgimage002.jpg
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Flex Builder 3 vs SDK and Charting
Yes, if you install FB Pro you can then copy the datavisualization.swc into your SDK, apply your FB Pro serial number in flex-config (or on the command-line) and away you go. Matt On 3/3/08 9:02 PM, Beau Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You just have to include the charting SWC in your lib path (either the command line option or your custom flex-config.xml file) and make sure your charting and fb3 license code are in your flex-config.xml file. Beau From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of krieger824 Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 6:38 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Flex Builder 3 vs SDK and Charting Hi Matt, since you said that the charting libraries only come with Flex 3 Pro, is there a command-line only version of Flex 3 Pro available? And if not, does this mean it will not be possible to compile any charting projects without installing Flex Builder? I tried to look for an add-on package similar to the way it was done in Flex 2, but didn't seem to be able to find a download link. Thanks, oliver --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.commailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com , Matt Chotin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Flex SDK does not include charting functionality on its own. Flex Builder Pro is what provides charting as of Flex 3, and that charting has been improved since Flex 2 with new features such as the Advanced DataGrid, data-oriented graphics API, etc. Matt On 2/27/08 8:59 AM, Troy Gilbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It states that the Flex 3 SDK has more charting capabilities than the Flex Builder 3. I came across with the same impression. AFAIK, the Flex SDK and Flex Builder 3 Standard have the same capabilities (since Flex Builder 3 Standard uses the SDK!), and I believe Flex Builder 3 Pro has some additional capabilities, which I assume to be design view related or wizards, in regards to charting. Of course, my expectation until I saw that was that the Flex SDK stand-alone (free) doesn't include any charting, but who knows... I'd chalk it up to bad writing/marketing... Troy. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.3/1308 - Release Date: 3/3/2008 10:01 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.3/1308 - Release Date: 3/3/2008 10:01 AM
