[flexcoders] Re: WebORB for .net beta5: feedback
Hey Jonas, Please let us know what your impressions of WebORB are after you have had a chance to work with it a little. I'll be switching from .NET WebServices to RemoteObject soon, so I would love to hear about your experience. Thanks, Tim Hoff --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Jonas Windey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, I forgot to read my mails last night. Apparantly Mark Piler from themidnightcoders.com sent me a mail after noticing that I had downloaded the beta 5 (which had just been released), writing the following: A quick workaround is to open web.config from /Inetpub/wwwroot/weborb and remove the following two lines: add assembly=vjslib, Version=2.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=B03F5F7F11D50A3A/ add assembly=BlueDragon, Version=6.2.1.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=7551335DE9FC3C36/ Please make sure that the closing tags for assemblies and compilation stay in the file (they are on the same line as the BlueDragon reference). You can always check if web.config is valid by opening the following URL: http://localhost/weborb/examples/testsuite/client/testsuite.aspx How nice is this? :-) I guess he must get a notification every time someone downloads his product, and check if everything is working. So, I got the Contact Manager sample working now, let's play around a bit. Jonas Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/nhFolB/TM ~- -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [flexcoders] Re: WebORB for .net beta5: feedback
Hi Tim, Well, my first impression is that its pretty complex, at least a lot more complex than just creating ASP.NET Web services and calling them from flex. Apparently you need to place all your remote methods in xml config files. Etc. The tutorials from http://www.themidnightcoders.com/articles/datamanagement-part3.htm help a lot, but its still a huge change, also in the way of thinking. (eg updating data with the sync methods, changeobjects etc). Also you use a lot more databinding, whereas with web services you just fill your datagrid or treeview with the data you receive, and in the case of an update, you will probably use a web service too to update the current row. Here you just omit your changes to your dataService, and he handles all the rest. I think the Flex + .NET + WebORB community is pretty small at the moment though, so it would be nice of some gurus from this list play a bit with it like Im doing right now. Jonas From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Hoff Sent: donderdag 13 juli 2006 11:32 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Re: WebORB for .net beta5: feedback Hey Jonas, Please let us know what your impressions of WebORB are after you have had a chance to work with it a little. I'll be switching from .NET WebServices to RemoteObject soon, so I would love to hear about your experience. Thanks, Tim Hoff --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com, Jonas Windey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, I forgot to read my mails last night. Apparantly Mark Piler from themidnightcoders.com sent me a mail after noticing that I had downloaded the beta 5 (which had just been released), writing the following: A quick workaround is to open web.config from /Inetpub/wwwroot/weborb and remove the following two lines: add assembly=vjslib, Version=2.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=B03F5F7F11D50A3A/ add assembly=BlueDragon, Version=6.2.1.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=7551335DE9FC3C36/ Please make sure that the closing tags for assemblies and compilation stay in the file (they are on the same line as the BlueDragon reference). You can always check if web.config is valid by opening the following URL: http://localhost/weborb/examples/testsuite/client/testsuite.aspx How nice is this? :-) I guess he must get a notification every time someone downloads his product, and check if everything is working. So, I got the Contact Manager sample working now, let's play around a bit. Jonas __ NOD32 1.1656 (20060712) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com __._,_.___ -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[flexcoders] Re: WebORB for .net beta5: feedback
Thanks Jonas, I appreciate your thoughts. When I contacted Joe Orbman concerning WebORB, he was very helpful and eager to help .NET people utilize a service similar to FDS. Understandably, if you don't use Cold Fusion or J2EE, you're not going to get a full-blown solution from Adobe. But fortunately, there are smart people out there that are helping to open-up the Flex market to .NET backends. Thanks for sharing your experience. My view: In the sliding scale of time, there exists gurus and future gurus. -TH --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Jonas Windey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Tim, Well, my first impression is that it's pretty complex, at least a lot more complex than just creating ASP.NET Web services and calling them from flex. Apparently you need to place all your remote methods in xml config files. Etc. The tutorials from http://www.themidnightcoders.com/articles/datamanagement-part3.htm help a lot, but it's still a huge change, also in the way of thinking. (eg updating data with the sync methods, changeobjects etc). Also you use a lot more databinding, whereas with web services you just fill your datagrid or treeview with the data you receive, and in the case of an update, you will probably use a web service too to update the current row. Here you just omit your changes to your dataService, and he handles all the rest. I think the Flex + .NET + WebORB community is pretty small at the moment though, so it would be nice of some gurus from this list play a bit with it like I'm doing right now. Jonas _ From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Hoff Sent: donderdag 13 juli 2006 11:32 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Re: WebORB for .net beta5: feedback Hey Jonas, Please let us know what your impressions of WebORB are after you have had a chance to work with it a little. I'll be switching from .NET WebServices to RemoteObject soon, so I would love to hear about your experience. Thanks, Tim Hoff --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com ups.com, Jonas Windey jonas@ wrote: Ok, I forgot to read my mails last night. Apparantly Mark Piler from themidnightcoders.com sent me a mail after noticing that I had downloaded the beta 5 (which had just been released), writing the following: A quick workaround is to open web.config from /Inetpub/wwwroot/weborb and remove the following two lines: add assembly=vjslib, Version=2.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=B03F5F7F11D50A3A/ add assembly=BlueDragon, Version=6.2.1.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=7551335DE9FC3C36/ Please make sure that the closing tags for assemblies and compilation stay in the file (they are on the same line as the BlueDragon reference). You can always check if web.config is valid by opening the following URL: http://localhost/ http://localhost/weborb/examples/testsuite/client/testsuite.aspx weborb/examples/testsuite/client/testsuite.aspx How nice is this? :-) I guess he must get a notification every time someone downloads his product, and check if everything is working. So, I got the Contact Manager sample working now, let's play around a bit. Jonas __ NOD32 1.1656 (20060712) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [flexcoders] Re: WebORB for .net beta5: feedback
I'm about to start tryingit out. So Ill post me experiences as well. Jason -Message d'origine-De: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]De la part de Jonas WindeyEnvoy: jeudi 13 juillet 2006 12:02: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comObjet: RE: [flexcoders] Re: WebORB for .net beta5: feedback Hi Tim, Well, my first impression is that its pretty complex, at least a lot more complex than just creating ASP.NET Web services and calling them from flex. Apparently you need to place all your remote methods in xml config files. Etc. The tutorials from http://www.themidnightcoders.com/articles/datamanagement-part3.htm help a lot, but its still a huge change, also in the way of thinking. (eg updating data with the sync methods, changeobjects etc). Also you use a lot more databinding, whereas with web services you just fill your datagrid or treeview with the data you receive, and in the case of an update, you will probably use a web service too to update the current row. Here you just omit your changes to your dataService, and he handles all the rest. I think the Flex + .NET + WebORB community is pretty small at the moment though, so it would be nice of some gurus from this list play a bit with it like Im doing right now. Jonas From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim HoffSent: donderdag 13 juli 2006 11:32To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: [flexcoders] Re: WebORB for .net beta5: feedback Hey Jonas,Please let us know what your impressions of WebORB are after you have had a chance to work with it a little. I'll be switching from .NET WebServices to RemoteObject soon, so I would love to hear about your experience.Thanks,Tim Hoff--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com, "Jonas Windey" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, I forgot to read my mails last night. Apparantly Mark Piler from themidnightcoders.com sent me a mail after noticing that I had downloaded the beta 5 (which had just been released), writing the following:A quick workaround is to open web.config from /Inetpub/wwwroot/weborb and remove the following two lines:add assembly="vjslib, Version=2.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=B03F5F7F11D50A3A"/ add assembly="BlueDragon, Version=6.2.1.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=7551335DE9FC3C36"/ Please make sure that the closing tags for assemblies and compilation stay in the file (they are on the same line as the BlueDragon reference).You can always check if web.config is valid by opening the following URL: http://localhost/weborb/examples/testsuite/client/testsuite.aspx How nice is this? :-) I guess he must get a notification every time someone downloads his product, and check if everything is working.So, I got the Contact Manager sample working now, let's play around a bit. Jonas __ NOD32 1.1656 (20060712) Information __This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.eset.com __._,_.___ -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[flexcoders] Re: WebORB for .net beta5: feedback
Very cool, keep the experiences coming! It helps us all. -TH --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Jason Hawryluk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm about to start trying it out. So I'll post me experiences as well. Jason -Message d'origine- De : flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] la part de Jonas Windey Envoye : jeudi 13 juillet 2006 12:02 A : flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Objet : RE: [flexcoders] Re: WebORB for .net beta5: feedback Hi Tim, Well, my first impression is that it's pretty complex, at least a lot more complex than just creating ASP.NET Web services and calling them from flex. Apparently you need to place all your remote methods in xml config files. Etc. The tutorials from http://www.themidnightcoders.com/articles/datamanagement-part3.htm help a lot, but it's still a huge change, also in the way of thinking. (eg updating data with the sync methods, changeobjects etc). Also you use a lot more databinding, whereas with web services you just fill your datagrid or treeview with the data you receive, and in the case of an update, you will probably use a web service too to update the current row. Here you just omit your changes to your dataService, and he handles all the rest. I think the Flex + .NET + WebORB community is pretty small at the moment though, so it would be nice of some gurus from this list play a bit with it like I'm doing right now. Jonas --- - -- From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Hoff Sent: donderdag 13 juli 2006 11:32 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Re: WebORB for .net beta5: feedback Hey Jonas, Please let us know what your impressions of WebORB are after you have had a chance to work with it a little. I'll be switching from .NET WebServices to RemoteObject soon, so I would love to hear about your experience. Thanks, Tim Hoff --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Jonas Windey jonas@ wrote: Ok, I forgot to read my mails last night. Apparantly Mark Piler from themidnightcoders.com sent me a mail after noticing that I had downloaded the beta 5 (which had just been released), writing the following: A quick workaround is to open web.config from /Inetpub/wwwroot/weborb and remove the following two lines: add assembly=vjslib, Version=2.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=B03F5F7F11D50A3A/ add assembly=BlueDragon, Version=6.2.1.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=7551335DE9FC3C36/ Please make sure that the closing tags for assemblies and compilation stay in the file (they are on the same line as the BlueDragon reference). You can always check if web.config is valid by opening the following URL: http://localhost/weborb/examples/testsuite/client/testsuite.aspx How nice is this? :-) I guess he must get a notification every time someone downloads his product, and check if everything is working. So, I got the Contact Manager sample working now, let's play around a bit. Jonas __ NOD32 1.1656 (20060712) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/nhFolB/TM ~- -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[flexcoders] Re: WebORB for .net beta5: feedback
Hi Jonas, I just want to clarify a few things to help avoid possible confusion. If you're doing Flex remoting (ie invoke .NET objects from Flex using RemoteObject), you do not need to do anything special at all - no need for special method attributes, no need to register methods in xml files - just drop your assembly into /bin folder and register a destination in remoting-config.xml and you are done. However if you're doing data management using mx.data.DataService on the client side, then you need to register your data assembler methods in data-management-config.xml. Normally you would have one or more methods to do 'fills' and just one method to do 'syncs'. This will be optional in Beta6 as we will be publishing an interface that your data assembler class can implement. Hope this helps. cheers, Mark --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Jonas Windey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Tim, Well, my first impression is that it's pretty complex, at least a lot more complex than just creating ASP.NET Web services and calling them from flex. Apparently you need to place all your remote methods in xml config files. Etc. The tutorials from http://www.themidnightcoders.com/articles/datamanagement-part3.htm help a lot, but it's still a huge change, also in the way of thinking. (eg updating data with the sync methods, changeobjects etc). Also you use a lot more databinding, whereas with web services you just fill your datagrid or treeview with the data you receive, and in the case of an update, you will probably use a web service too to update the current row. Here you just omit your changes to your dataService, and he handles all the rest. I think the Flex + .NET + WebORB community is pretty small at the moment though, so it would be nice of some gurus from this list play a bit with it like I'm doing right now. Jonas _ From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Hoff Sent: donderdag 13 juli 2006 11:32 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Re: WebORB for .net beta5: feedback Hey Jonas, Please let us know what your impressions of WebORB are after you have had a chance to work with it a little. I'll be switching from .NET WebServices to RemoteObject soon, so I would love to hear about your experience. Thanks, Tim Hoff --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com ups.com, Jonas Windey jonas@ wrote: Ok, I forgot to read my mails last night. Apparantly Mark Piler from themidnightcoders.com sent me a mail after noticing that I had downloaded the beta 5 (which had just been released), writing the following: A quick workaround is to open web.config from /Inetpub/wwwroot/weborb and remove the following two lines: add assembly=vjslib, Version=2.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=B03F5F7F11D50A3A/ add assembly=BlueDragon, Version=6.2.1.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=7551335DE9FC3C36/ Please make sure that the closing tags for assemblies and compilation stay in the file (they are on the same line as the BlueDragon reference). You can always check if web.config is valid by opening the following URL: http://localhost/ http://localhost/weborb/examples/testsuite/client/testsuite.aspx weborb/examples/testsuite/client/testsuite.aspx How nice is this? :-) I guess he must get a notification every time someone downloads his product, and check if everything is working. So, I got the Contact Manager sample working now, let's play around a bit. Jonas __ NOD32 1.1656 (20060712) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/nhFolB/TM ~- -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [flexcoders] Re: WebORB for .net beta5: feedback
Hi Mark, Thanks for your explanations. We (our team) are still not 100% sure what method is the best to follow. Ive been following Flex2 since the alpha version, and due to our experience with .NET (just regular websites with some Ajax), we have chosen to go with a Web Services approach. Not having any experience with Flash remoting (before, we used Flash in combination with regular asp to provide xml data to flash), this was the easiest way. Can anyone give some pros and cons on some ways of working with .NET and Flex? It seems there are 3 choices: - ASP.NET Web Services - Flex Remoting using WebORB - Flex DataServices using WebORB (dont mention FDS, since we are running in a Windows environment using IIS, and some customers who dislike Java) The projects we work on are mainly Media Asset Management tools, together with admin. Our database is MS SQL 2005, using stored procedures. Sidenote: were using asp.net 2.0. All tips are welcome! Jonas From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mpiller Sent: donderdag 13 juli 2006 15:33 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Re: WebORB for .net beta5: feedback Hi Jonas, I just want to clarify a few things to help avoid possible confusion. If you're doing Flex remoting (ie invoke .NET objects from Flex using RemoteObject), you do not need to do anything special at all - no need for special method attributes, no need to register methods in xml files - just drop your assembly into /bin folder and register a destination in remoting-config.xml and you are done. However if you're doing data management using mx.data.DataService on the client side, then you need to register your data assembler methods in data-management-config.xml. Normally you would have one or more methods to do 'fills' and just one method to do 'syncs'. This will be optional in Beta6 as we will be publishing an interface that your data assembler class can implement. Hope this helps. cheers, Mark --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com, Jonas Windey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Tim, Well, my first impression is that it's pretty complex, at least a lot more complex than just creating ASP.NET Web services and calling them from flex. Apparently you need to place all your remote methods in xml config files. Etc. The tutorials from http://www.themidnightcoders.com/articles/datamanagement-part3.htm help a lot, but it's still a huge change, also in the way of thinking. (eg updating data with the sync methods, changeobjects etc). Also you use a lot more databinding, whereas with web services you just fill your datagrid or treeview with the data you receive, and in the case of an update, you will probably use a web service too to update the current row. Here you just omit your changes to your dataService, and he handles all the rest. I think the Flex + .NET + WebORB community is pretty small at the moment though, so it would be nice of some gurus from this list play a bit with it like I'm doing right now. Jonas _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Hoff Sent: donderdag 13 juli 2006 11:32 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Re: WebORB for .net beta5: feedback Hey Jonas, Please let us know what your impressions of WebORB are after you have had a chance to work with it a little. I'll be switching from .NET WebServices to RemoteObject soon, so I would love to hear about your experience. Thanks, Tim Hoff --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com ups.com, Jonas Windey jonas@ wrote: Ok, I forgot to read my mails last night. Apparantly Mark Piler from themidnightcoders.com sent me a mail after noticing that I had downloaded the beta 5 (which had just been released), writing the following: A quick workaround is to open web.config from /Inetpub/wwwroot/weborb and remove the following two lines: add assembly=vjslib, Version=2.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=B03F5F7F11D50A3A/ add assembly=BlueDragon, Version=6.2.1.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=7551335DE9FC3C36/ Please make sure that the closing tags for assemblies and compilation stay in the file (they are on the same line as the BlueDragon reference). You can always check if web.config is valid by opening the following URL: http://localhost/ http://localhost/weborb/examples/testsuite/client/testsuite.aspx weborb/examples/testsuite/client/testsuite.aspx How nice is this? :-) I guess he must get a notification every time someone downloads his product, and check if everything is working. So, I got the Contact Manager sample working now, let's play around a bit. Jonas __ NOD32 1.1656 (20060712) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus
[flexcoders] Re: WebORB for .net beta5: feedback
Hi Jonas, I will give you an opinion from my personal experience and perspective. I am sure there will be different point of views on this subject. Essentially it comes down to what's important for you and your application. There are several variables in the formula: 1. application performance 2. time to market 3. speed of development 4. development cost 5. overall project cost (includes product licensing, development cost, maintenance and operations cost) So here's my breakdown for each option you have listed: ASP.NET Web Services Pros: - lower development cost - reduced project cost - adequate speed of development (potentialy offset by problems listed in 'Cons') Cons: - slower performance (compare to other alternatives) - potential problems with data serialization (.NET strongly typed datasets are known to cause problems for many SOAP stacks other than .NET) - some applications may require tighter client/server integration (ability to use session scope, custom serialization, etc). Some of these concepts may not be available or would require considerable development and QA efforts. Flex Remoting using WebORB -- Pros: - superb application performance due to binary data on-the-wire - shorter time to market - reduced development cost - rich client/server development environment with lots of customization options (configurable service activation, custom serialization, customizable client/server object mapping, etc) Cons: - for simpler projects greater licensing cost than with WebServices Flex DataServices for .NET using WebORB --- Pros: - works just like Adobe's FDS for Java (beta 5 provides a subset of functionality - RPC and FDMS are available today) - ideal for data-driven and/or real-time messaging applications - availability of significant data management and messaging infrastructure - reduced development time - developers focus just on the core data access/update logic Cons: - greater licensing cost I am very interested to hear other people opinions on this subject. cheers, Mark --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Jonas Windey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mark, Thanks for your explanations. We (our team) are still not 100% sure what method is the best to follow. I've been following Flex2 since the alpha version, and due to our experience with .NET (just regular websites with some Ajax), we have chosen to go with a Web Services approach. Not having any experience with Flash remoting (before, we used Flash in combination with regular asp to provide xml data to flash), this was the easiest way. Can anyone give some pros and cons on some ways of working with .NET and Flex? It seems there are 3 choices: - ASP.NET Web Services - Flex Remoting using WebORB - Flex DataServices using WebORB (don't mention FDS, since we are running in a Windows environment using IIS, and some customers who dislike Java) The projects we work on are mainly Media Asset Management tools, together with admin. Our database is MS SQL 2005, using stored procedures. Sidenote: we're using asp.net 2.0. All tips are welcome! Jonas _ From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mpiller Sent: donderdag 13 juli 2006 15:33 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Re: WebORB for .net beta5: feedback Hi Jonas, I just want to clarify a few things to help avoid possible confusion. If you're doing Flex remoting (ie invoke .NET objects from Flex using RemoteObject), you do not need to do anything special at all - no need for special method attributes, no need to register methods in xml files - just drop your assembly into /bin folder and register a destination in remoting-config.xml and you are done. However if you're doing data management using mx.data.DataService on the client side, then you need to register your data assembler methods in data-management-config.xml. Normally you would have one or more methods to do 'fills' and just one method to do 'syncs'. This will be optional in Beta6 as we will be publishing an interface that your data assembler class can implement. Hope this helps. cheers, Mark --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com ups.com, Jonas Windey jonas@ wrote: Hi Tim, Well, my first impression is that it's pretty complex, at least a lot more complex than just creating ASP.NET Web services and calling them from flex. Apparently you need to place all your remote methods in xml config files. Etc. The tutorials from http://www.themidni http://www.themidnightcoders.com/articles/datamanagement-part3.htm ghtcoders.com/articles/datamanagement-part3.htm help a lot, but it's still a huge change, also in the way of thinking. (eg updating data with the sync methods, changeobjects etc). Also you use
Re: [flexcoders] Re: WebORB for .net beta5: feedback
Just a reminder, I checked Aral's ARP framework last week (yes, flex 2 compatible version), there's a pretty well-written RemotingService class which wraps NetConnection (supporting AMF0) and provide exactly the same function of Service/RelayResponder from Flash 8. So one can still use Flash Remoting for .Net (official product from Adobe or open source ones) as the server-side component, then use ARP's Service in the client side to invoke the method, this is pretty easy to setup and just works. I've tried it with AMFPHP 1.2, OpenAMF and Flourine, all went well. Jeremy.On 7/13/06, Jason Hawryluk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm about to start tryingit out. So I'll post me experiences as well. Jason -Message d'origine-De: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com]De la part de Jonas WindeyEnvoyé: jeudi 13 juillet 2006 12:02À: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comObjet: RE: [flexcoders] Re: WebORB for .net beta5: feedback Hi Tim, Well, my first impression is that it's pretty complex, at least a lot more complex than just creating ASP.NET Web services and calling them from flex. Apparently you need to place all your remote methods in xml config files. Etc. The tutorials from http://www.themidnightcoders.com/articles/datamanagement-part3.htm help a lot, but it's still a huge change, also in the way of thinking. (eg updating data with the sync methods, changeobjects etc). Also you use a lot more databinding, whereas with web services you just fill your datagrid or treeview with the data you receive, and in the case of an update, you will probably use a web service too to update the current row. Here you just omit your changes to your dataService, and he handles all the rest. I think the Flex + .NET + WebORB community is pretty small at the moment though, so it would be nice of some gurus from this list play a bit with it like I'm doing right now. Jonas From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim HoffSent: donderdag 13 juli 2006 11:32To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Re: WebORB for .net beta5: feedback Hey Jonas,Please let us know what your impressions of WebORB are after you have had a chance to work with it a little. I'll be switching from .NET WebServices to RemoteObject soon, so I would love to hear about your experience.Thanks,Tim Hoff--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com , Jonas Windey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, I forgot to read my mails last night. Apparantly Mark Piler from themidnightcoders.com sent me a mail after noticing that I had downloaded the beta 5 (which had just been released), writing the following:A quick workaround is to open web.config from /Inetpub/wwwroot/weborb and remove the following two lines:add assembly=vjslib, Version=2.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=B03F5F7F11D50A3A/ add assembly=BlueDragon, Version=6.2.1.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=7551335DE9FC3C36/ Please make sure that the closing tags for assemblies and compilation stay in the file (they are on the same line as the BlueDragon reference).You can always check if web.config is valid by opening the following URL: http://localhost/weborb/examples/testsuite/client/testsuite.aspx How nice is this? :-) I guess he must get a notification every time someone downloads his product, and check if everything is working.So, I got the Contact Manager sample working now, let's play around a bit. Jonas __ NOD32 1.1656 (20060712) Information __This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.eset.com __._,_.___ -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
