Re: [flexcoders] Results of Direct Phone Call to Scene7.com
No troll. Just commenting on the earlier Apple=quality statement. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 29, 2008, at 4:59 AM, Howard Fore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please don't feed the trolls... On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 10:04 PM, Weyert de Boer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apple don't even want to fix the keyboard lightning that there tech people broke when they replaced the display for the second time. Warranty or AppleCare is a bitch. Even Acer or Dell are better in that regard. -- Howard Fore, [EMAIL PROTECTED] The universe tends toward maximum irony. Don't push it. - Jeff Atwood
[flexcoders] Results of Direct Phone Call to Scene7.com
First of all, this is very relevant to the FLEX coders development community. I have just talked some another person at Scene7.com and the indication I seemed to have gotten is that there will be a resulting complication in the area of eCommerce and Product Catalog Development to the FLEX community. They are still working on it. But it all comes down to this. The Webinar should be attended by every FLEX developer out there. They should ask important questions such as: Will Adobe be servicing clients in Scene7.com using FLEX 3.0 technology, and could the possibility arise that an Adobe representative from Scene7.com bid directly against a Freelance, or Small Business Owner, who has spent a lot of development money on their products. For those out there who distaste my look into Scene7.com and it's effects on the FLEX and Flash CS3 community (a few mongrels) I'd ask that you please leave me alone and just let the others listen. - None of us would be here today w/o the timely innovation of FutureWave's FutureSplash control - It was extremely fast in installation and provided dramatic vector results at a time when ActiveX had serious security problems - None of us would be here today if it was not for Macromedia's timely acquisition of FutureWave's FutureSplash control, renamed FlashPlayer - Macromedia always kept their honor when it came to developers who spent their hard earned money on development tools - Macromedia always recognized the marketing power of tens of thousands of strands of reaching out of the Flash brand via developers (not even any money was spent on this; money was in fact earned; Macromedia recognized and respected this). - Adobe has now acquired Macromedia, and I have been excited about Adobe for a long time since then. And for the gentlemen that said I never add anything to this group, it was me who was shouting Watch out for SilverLight it's Microsoft's 2nd attempt at killing Flash Player - Please Adobe get an OpenGL solution in the works so DirectX does not out-power flash - However it happened we now have the GREAT Papervision3D.org, who just did it. - But now Scene7.com comes along. And it has far reaching implications to the FLEX and Flash development community who have spent a heck of a lot of money for development tools. - It is Adobe's right (to an extent) to use the free market place and bid or compete against Small Business owners, or other innovators more interested in contracts than the internal Corporate IT system. - However, it is also our right to ask serious questions about our future ability to bid in large contracts - And it is also right, to cut our losses and move towards more stable areas of development, and not naively market for a company that may potentially in the long run be competing against it's own developers (don't fool yourself into thinking it's not possible; I guess we'll all find out on Sept. 11th, Thursday, in the Webinar if the right questions are asked). I myself and taking a serious look at more SourceForge efforts, companies that may have a core mission not to leverage the developer community in order to eventually use that momentum built up over many years, for it's own profit (whatever company that may be). I do know one thing, There's a few CEO's out there who respect developers; but they are few and far between. Gates is a BASIC programmer telling Jobs to learn how to program, while Jobs is programming at the Mach OS level (hypocrisy). FutureWave and Macromedia were Very Honorable and I really am starting to wish Macromedia remained intact. The upcoming Webinar is far less about the new PDF SDK, and more about a simple catalog that is a pre-cursor to a eCommerce Platform. Perhaps it's time to start hosting with MacPro servers and looking more into QuickTime, if the worst is found to be true. We will all find out. Please don't ruin your future by trusting a large Corporation. I've read things in confidence that few have, and it's very disturbing. -r
Re: [flexcoders] Results of Direct Phone Call to Scene7.com
Perhaps it's time to start hosting with MacPro servers and looking more into QuickTime, if the worst is found to be true. Hm. I always found to be Apple the personified greed. For example IPhone developers are not even allowed to talk to each other. This is just plain ridicilous, as is your whole claim. I'd check the tap, maybe somebody put some paranoia drug into it? Cheers, Ralf.
Re: [flexcoders] Results of Direct Phone Call to Scene7.com
Hi Robert I agree that there is something vaguely distasteful about Adobe becoming a competitor to its developers (which Scene7 seems to be), however I also doubt that this is likely in the foreseeable future to have a significant impact on any of us. However, it is definitely worth letting Adobe know that we are watching closely and that developer loyalty is earned, not a given. Although this list is primarily to discuss code, I think it's valid to have an occasional post like this that discusses Flex's place in the market relative to competing products, as we are all making an investment in this technology and therefore have a stake in its success. Given the volume of email this list generates, I think the occasional thread like this should be tolerated. I don't like to see people being howled down by a vocal few who think they know what's best for the silent majority and I don't see any need to be rude to anyone by using expressions that could be interpreted as personal insults. I also think if you start a thread like this you need to be mindful that it will be seen as off-topic by many on the list and so should be kept brief and to the point. When your topic becomes a personal crusade it's time to take it off-list. Guy On 29/08/2008, at 6:18 AM, Robert Thompson wrote: First of all, this is very relevant to the FLEX coders development community.
Re: [flexcoders] Results of Direct Phone Call to Scene7.com
I agree on the iPhone issue, I'd never go with ATT either because they are the ultimate Greed. But the iPhone pricing thing I think was a mistake. Apple does not personify greed at all to me -- Quality. I have both MacPro and a DELL, develop in XCode and Vista for FLEX and Flash CS3. The quality of Apple is far superior..but I'll leave it at that. But I do agree they should not have picked ATT as a carrier for phone service. The 80's and 90's were full of ramped up phone bills. I contracted a VoIP that involved the Kennedy Space center, and almost made it into the VoIP arena, but was a little too late. -r On Aug 28, 2008, at 5:09 PM, Ralf Bokelberg wrote: Perhaps it's time to start hosting with MacPro servers and looking more into QuickTime, if the worst is found to be true. Hm. I always found to be Apple the personified greed. For example IPhone developers are not even allowed to talk to each other. This is just plain ridicilous, as is your whole claim. I'd check the tap, maybe somebody put some paranoia drug into it? Cheers, Ralf.
Re: [flexcoders] Results of Direct Phone Call to Scene7.com
Well put, Guy. I think it was Dave Winer who described the internet as the platform without a platform vendor. Flash is not that. I don't know how FutureWhatever made their money, but you're not going to see Apple, Microsoft or Adobe promoting a platform without some effort to monetize it. Apple has angered developers on many occasions through the years. Bundled apps reduce opportunities. On the other hand, larger market share makes them happy. You just have to stay out of the way of the platform vendor, partner with them, or hope to be bought. Adobe will presumably try to monetize Flex through services (consulting), tools (Flexbuilder) and applications (Buzzword). I haven't looked at the Scene7 stuff yet, but if it's a solution for a particular niche (e-commerce, say), then that's not going to worry someone using Flex to develop a game. And if it's an extensible system, it might even open a new marketplace. - Richard (full disclosure: I worked at both Apple and Adobe and am quite partial to both companies, as companies go) On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Guy Morton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Robert I agree that there is something vaguely distasteful about Adobe becoming a competitor to its developers (which Scene7 seems to be), however I also doubt that this is likely in the foreseeable future to have a significant impact on any of us. However, it is definitely worth letting Adobe know that we are watching closely and that developer loyalty is earned, not a given. Although this list is primarily to discuss code, I think it's valid to have an occasional post like this that discusses Flex's place in the market relative to competing products, as we are all making an investment in this technology and therefore have a stake in its success. Given the volume of email this list generates, I think the occasional thread like this should be tolerated. I don't like to see people being howled down by a vocal few who think they know what's best for the silent majority and I don't see any need to be rude to anyone by using expressions that could be interpreted as personal insults. I also think if you start a thread like this you need to be mindful that it will be seen as off-topic by many on the list and so should be kept brief and to the point. When your topic becomes a personal crusade it's time to take it off-list. Guy On 29/08/2008, at 6:18 AM, Robert Thompson wrote: First of all, this is very relevant to the FLEX coders development community.
Re: [flexcoders] Results of Direct Phone Call to Scene7.com
On Aug 28, 2008, at 4:18 PM, Robert Thompson wrote: I have just talked some another person at Scene7.com and the indication I seemed to have gotten is that there will be a resulting complication in the area of eCommerce and Product Catalog Development to the FLEX community. Scene7 is nothing more than another collection of services that have been around for years, already, in many different forms. You're concerned about competition. Fair concern. Unfounded in my opinion, but that's your issue. We have a framework we use (Flex is Flash), and we all have our own choices of server-side development. Scene7 is most likely built upon the Adobe Graphics Server and LiveCycle. The combination of these two application offerings in their full configuration, I believe, exceeds $200K. Flex just happens to be the UI. The fact that Flex is the UI for building this stuff has got little to nothing to do with it. - j
Re: [flexcoders] Results of Direct Phone Call to Scene7.com
Apple don't even want to fix the keyboard lightning that there tech people broke when they replaced the display for the second time. Warranty or AppleCare is a bitch. Even Acer or Dell are better in that regard.
Re: [flexcoders] Results of Direct Phone Call to Scene7.com
Please don't feed the trolls... On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 10:04 PM, Weyert de Boer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apple don't even want to fix the keyboard lightning that there tech people broke when they replaced the display for the second time. Warranty or AppleCare is a bitch. Even Acer or Dell are better in that regard. -- Howard Fore, [EMAIL PROTECTED] The universe tends toward maximum irony. Don't push it. - Jeff Atwood
