Re: [flexcoders] Best language for remoting
On Tuesday 09 Dec 2008, Fotis Chatzinikos wrote: Google for BlazeDZ, opensource and free a good replacement over lcds... The next version of the free ColdFusion engine Railo (due next month) will have Blaze intergrated, same as the pay-for Adobe one. -- Tom Chiverton Helping to interactively reintermediate cross-platform impactful attention-grabbing global m-commerce This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office together with a list of those non members who are referred to as partners. We use the word “partner” to refer to a member of the LLP, or an employee or consultant with equivalent standing and qualifications. Regulated by the Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Alternative FAQ location: https://share.acrobat.com/adc/document.do?docid=942dbdc8-e469-446f-b4cf-1e62079f6847 Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.comYahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [flexcoders] Best language for remoting
Stay away from WCF and webservices unless you want the pain of arguing with MS geeks about why they can't use SOAP 1.2.. On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 12:01, Sceneshift [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey guys, When building larger applications with bigger database interactions, which is considered the best language to develop the back-end environment in? I have been using PHP in most of my projects, but using AMFPHP to pass objects just seems really clunky... It seems as though Adobe are pushing ColdFusion, but I was wondering what the general consensus is on which methods (webservices, remoting) and languages are considered to be the best for communicating with databases. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Best-language-for-remoting-tp20905438p20905438.html Sent from the FlexCoders mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
RE: [flexcoders] Best language for remoting
We, on this list, have yet to come up with a consensus on *anything*, so good luck with that. I dunno... we could probably come up with a consensus that you rock! (Oh, and that you aren't a girl ;) ) Gk. Gregor Kiddie Senior Developer INPS Tel: 01382 564343 Registered address: The Bread Factory, 1a Broughton Street, London SW8 3QJ Registered Number: 1788577 Registered in the UK Visit our Internet Web site at www.inps.co.uk blocked::http://www.inps.co.uk/ The information in this internet email is confidential and is intended solely for the addressee. Access, copying or re-use of information in it by anyone else is not authorised. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of INPS or any of its affiliates. If you are not the intended recipient please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tracy Spratt Sent: 09 December 2008 01:00 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Best language for remoting We, on this list, have yet to come up with a consensus on *anything*, so good luck with that. Tracy
RE: [flexcoders] Best language for remoting
It is not even theoretically possible to determine the best of anything. You must look at the project, the requirements, both business and technical, the proposed environment, everything. All that said, if there are no budget or technical constraints to consider (working for God, maybe?), there are some popular, powerful combinations out there. For long term enterprise level solutions look into LCDS. Paging, push, messaging, a bunch of stuff I have not needed yet. Big-time functionality, big-time cost. Many people swear by Java and Remote Object, because of the ability to pass strongly typed objects around. It is also very fast, probably the fastest protocol. (But transmission speed is rarely the bottleneck) But there are third party programs that permit this with other back-end platforms like .net. (e.g. webOrb). Stay clear on what tier does what. HttpService, WebService, RemoteObject, sockets, etc do not communicate with databases. They are protocols for communicating with a back-endServer platform. Code on that platform communicates with the database. And which database? (rhetorical question) End to end design of a large project needs major commitment from many people, and there will be compormises on all sides. The business side almost always wins, by the way. We, on this list, have yet to come up with a consensus on *anything*, so good luck with that. Tracy From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sceneshift Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 6:02 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Best language for remoting Hey guys, When building larger applications with bigger database interactions, which is considered the best language to develop the back-end environment in? I have been using PHP in most of my projects, but using AMFPHP to pass objects just seems really clunky... It seems as though Adobe are pushing ColdFusion, but I was wondering what the general consensus is on which methods (webservices, remoting) and languages are considered to be the best for communicating with databases. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Best-language-for-remoting-tp20905438p20905438.htm l http://www.nabble.com/Best-language-for-remoting-tp20905438p20905438.ht ml Sent from the FlexCoders mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
RE: [flexcoders] Best language for remoting
Thanks you very much for this detailed and extremely helpful reply. I've been looking into LCDS and it's certainly amazing, although probably more than I need for now. It's something I am going to keep my eyes on for the future if I ever need the functionality of offers. For now, I think I'll look into Java and Remote Object. If anyone has any links they found useful on this topic, I'd be very grateful. Thanks! Tracy Spratt wrote: It is not even theoretically possible to determine the best of anything. You must look at the project, the requirements, both business and technical, the proposed environment, everything. All that said, if there are no budget or technical constraints to consider (working for God, maybe?), there are some popular, powerful combinations out there. For long term enterprise level solutions look into LCDS. Paging, push, messaging, a bunch of stuff I have not needed yet. Big-time functionality, big-time cost. Many people swear by Java and Remote Object, because of the ability to pass strongly typed objects around. It is also very fast, probably the fastest protocol. (But transmission speed is rarely the bottleneck) But there are third party programs that permit this with other back-end platforms like .net. (e.g. webOrb). Stay clear on what tier does what. HttpService, WebService, RemoteObject, sockets, etc do not communicate with databases. They are protocols for communicating with a back-endServer platform. Code on that platform communicates with the database. And which database? (rhetorical question) End to end design of a large project needs major commitment from many people, and there will be compormises on all sides. The business side almost always wins, by the way. We, on this list, have yet to come up with a consensus on *anything*, so good luck with that. Tracy From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sceneshift Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 6:02 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Best language for remoting Hey guys, When building larger applications with bigger database interactions, which is considered the best language to develop the back-end environment in? I have been using PHP in most of my projects, but using AMFPHP to pass objects just seems really clunky... It seems as though Adobe are pushing ColdFusion, but I was wondering what the general consensus is on which methods (webservices, remoting) and languages are considered to be the best for communicating with databases. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Best-language-for-remoting-tp20905438p20905438.htm l http://www.nabble.com/Best-language-for-remoting-tp20905438p20905438.ht ml Sent from the FlexCoders mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Best-language-for-remoting-tp20905438p20906756.html Sent from the FlexCoders mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
RE: [flexcoders] Best language for remoting
I would give ColdFusion a try, its dam fast and very easy. Its not free, but much cheaper than LCDS and does most of the same stuff. Regards Dale Fraser http://learncf.com/ http://learncf.com http://flexcf.com/ http://flexcf.com From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sceneshift Sent: Tuesday, 9 December 2008 10:02 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Best language for remoting Hey guys, When building larger applications with bigger database interactions, which is considered the best language to develop the back-end environment in? I have been using PHP in most of my projects, but using AMFPHP to pass objects just seems really clunky... It seems as though Adobe are pushing ColdFusion, but I was wondering what the general consensus is on which methods (webservices, remoting) and languages are considered to be the best for communicating with databases. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Best-language-for-remoting-tp20905438p20905438.html Sent from the FlexCoders mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: [flexcoders] Best language for remoting
Google for BlazeDZ, opensource and free a good replacement over lcds... On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 3:05 AM, Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would give ColdFusion a try, its dam fast and very easy. Its not free, but much cheaper than LCDS and does most of the same stuff. Regards Dale Fraser http://learncf.com http://flexcf.com *From:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Sceneshift *Sent:* Tuesday, 9 December 2008 10:02 AM *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* [flexcoders] Best language for remoting Hey guys, When building larger applications with bigger database interactions, which is considered the best language to develop the back-end environment in? I have been using PHP in most of my projects, but using AMFPHP to pass objects just seems really clunky... It seems as though Adobe are pushing ColdFusion, but I was wondering what the general consensus is on which methods (webservices, remoting) and languages are considered to be the best for communicating with databases. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Best-language-for-remoting-tp20905438p20905438.html Sent from the FlexCoders mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Fotis Chatzinikos, Ph.D. Founder, Phinnovation [EMAIL PROTECTED],
