Re: [flexcoders] Re: FDS on CFMX configuration problems
Are you running CF in standalone mode or multi-server? If you are in standalone mode, the easiest is to just install the 2 servers independently of each other and start them both up. Once they are running CF and Flex will find each other (assuming your flex server services-config.xml is configured too). If you are in multi-server mode you can just deploy the flex.war into a folernext to the cfusion.war (or cfusion-ear folder) and then you are running both servers independent of each other but in the same server instance. so your folders look something like this: \jrun4\servers\cfusion \cfusion-ear \flex ---nimer - Original Message From: balconsult2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSent: Monday, July 24, 2006 4:21:57 PMSubject: [flexcoders] Re: FDS on CFMX configuration problems Well, according to the technote (http://www.adobe. com/go/4f079a4d) thecombining of flex and cf is no longer supported.Can anyone (Adobe), publish an updated, step by step instruction togetting a CFMX7, Flex2, and JRun4 installation up and running?I deploy an application that uses all 3 components mentioned, with CFdriving and utilizing Flex 1.5 API's that are embedded in my CF programs.Thanks,Bernie--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, João Fernandes joaofernandes@ ...wrote: Jim,Can you follow, the technote steps? For the merging web.xml, copyeverything except for the messageBrokerServle t from flex web.xml. To work with FDS, your assemblers must be under your server instancewebroot or add a mapping so it can resolve the path to reach it.In my service-config. xml all non-secured amf/http channels point toport 80. Default RMTP and CF RMTP port channels as they are by default(2038 2048). In my cf admin page, I activated support for remoting +FDS defining a channel ID (I set the same as my instance name). If wecluster several server instances, I bet that the same name must bedefined in every single node (not tested). João Fernandes Dep. Informática - Área de Desenvolvimento Cofina media Avenida João Crisóstomo, Nº 72 . 1069-043 Lisboa PORTUGAL Tel (+351) 213 185 200 . Fax (+351) 213 540 370 joaofernandes@ ... mailto:joaofernand [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com]On Behalf Of Jim Sent: sexta-feira, 7 de Julho de 2006 0:47 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Re: FDS on CFMX configuration problemsWell that is encouraging that you were able to get them working together. Are you using the Mulitserver (JRUN4) option for CFMX7? And if so, is your WEB-INF directory in a webroot? Did you have to do any tweaking to services-config. xml? Write us the technote that Adobe won't man...c'mon (grin). Jim --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.commailto:flexcoders% 40yahoogroups. com , João Fernandes joaofernandes@ mailto:joaofernand es@ wrote: The only problem that I see running seperated instances of FDS CFMX is the fact that FDS doesn't ship with the remoting for CF so when you define CF remoting destinations( the "ColdFusion" one) it throws an error, so to be able to use a mix of remoting + data management you'll have to keep 2 xml files, one for FDS and one for compilation. If there is another way, I didn't find any documentation about it.I have it running CFMX7+ FDS and now without issues but more documentation about this would be nice.One of the issues about the technote is the fact that FDS and CFMX7 both uses a MessageBrokerServle t definition. I kept the CF (the Flex one couldn't load those CF remoting Classes)João Fernandes-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.commailto:flexcoders% 40yahoogroups. com on behalf of Jim Sent: Thu 06-Jul-06 7:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com mailto:flexcoders% 40yahoogroups. com Subject: [flexcoders] Re: FDS on CFMX configuration problemsI tried the same thing (combining FDS with CFMX 7.0.2) using the same technote and wasn't able to get it to work. I emailed an insider at Adobe on the Coldfusion team I met at the CFObjective conference and learned that they aren't very happy with that technote and recommended that I run FDS and CFMX separately for now.I haven't tried that yet, but apparently you did and it was working, which is encouraging to me. I've spent three days trying to get FDS working with a fresh installation of CFMX 7 Multiserver (JRun4) option. The WEB-INF directory installs in the nested directories within the JRun4 folder, but the new CF/Flex Wizard expects the WEB-INF to be in the webroot.I've been having issues with the services-config. xml file. I found a copy of the file Ben Forta uses on the sys-con website which has worked so far.But if you manage to combine FDS and CFMX 7 and get them working, please share what you did.Thanks,Jim Pickering--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.commailto:flexcoders% 40yahoogroups. com , "Tom Bray" tombray@ wrote:
RE: [flexcoders] Re: FDS on CFMX configuration problems
You will want something like this: mx:Script private function initApp():void{ // Create a Channel. var customChannel:Channel = new AMFChannel(my-cfamf, http://localhost:8500/flex2gateway/;); // Add the Channel to the ChannelSet. cs.addChannel(customChannel); // Assign the ChannelSet to a RemoteObject instance. svc.channelSet = cs; } /mx:Script mx:RemoteObject id=svc destination=ColdFusion source=path.yo.your.cfc showBusyCursor=true / At 10:23 AM 7/7/2006, Mike Nimer wrote: You are right, this is the tricky part. However, there is an easy way around it. Install CF and Flex separately (2 jvm instance, or 2 wars in the same instance). Then point you projects -services option to the flex2 services-config.xml. This will allow you to use the FDS and messaging stuff. And to use ColdFusions Flash Remoting you will create and configure the Channel via actionscript instead of letting FlexBuilder do it automatically. I don't have the exact syntax, but you want to create a ChannelSet object, and set the mx:RemoteObject channelset property to be the channel set instance you created. When you are creating the ChannelSet object, really the only important thing is the endpoint url to the CF FlashRemoting servlet /flex2gateway/ hth, ---nimer João Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only problem that I see running seperated instances of FDS CFMX is the fact that FDS doesn't ship with the remoting for CF so when you define CF remoting destinations(the ColdFusion one) it throws an error, so to be able to use a mix of remoting + data management you'll have to keep 2 xml files, one for FDS and one for compilation. If there is another way, I didn't find any documentation about it. I have it running CFMX7+ FDS and now without issues but more documentation about this would be nice. One of the issues about the technote is the fact that FDS and CFMX7 both uses a MessageBrokerServlet definition. I kept the CF (the Flex one couldn't load those CF remoting Classes) João Fernandes -Original Message- From: mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.comflexcoders@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Jim Sent: Thu 06-Jul-06 7:54 PM To: mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.comflexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Re: FDS on CFMX configuration problems I tried the same thing (combining FDS with CFMX 7.0.2) using the same technote and wasn't able to get it to work. I emailed an insider at Adobe on the Coldfusion team I met at the CFObjective conference and learned that they aren't very happy with that technote and recommended that I run FDS and CFMX separately for now. I haven't tried that yet, but apparently you did and it was working, which is encouraging to me. I've spent three days trying to get FDS working with a fresh installation of CFMX 7 Multiserver (JRun4) option. The WEB-INF directory installs in the nested directories within the JRun4 folder, but the new CF/Flex Wizard expects the WEB-INF to be in the webroot. I've been having issues with the services-config.xml file. I found a copy of the file Ben Forta uses on the sys-con website which has worked so far. But if you manage to combine FDS and CFMX 7 and get them working, please share what you did. Thanks, Jim Pickering --- In mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.comflexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Tom Bray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I first started working with FDS, I used the standalone version with integrated JRun and had FB configured to launch FDS and direct its logging to the output pane in FB. I was happy. Now, I'm trying to configure FDS on top of CFMX and haven't had much success. I used the instructions below at this link: http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/knowledgebase/index.cfm?http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/knowledgebase/index.cfm? id=4f079a4dpss=rss_flex_4f079a4d. It would be very helpful if Adobe would expand upon those instructions with the steps for getting the sample apps up and running. Also, the instructions for setting up debugging ( http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Flex_Enterprise_Services:Debuggihttp://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Flex_Enterprise_Services:Debuggi ng) need to be updated for the final release of FDS and I'd love to see a similar document for setting up debugging with FDS on CFMX. In the meantime, I'm having errors that I don't know how to get additional information on. I'm trying to get the notes sample app running, and I get this error: [RPC Fault faultString=Send failed faultCode=Client.Error.MessageSend faultDetail=Channel.Connect.Failed error NetConnection.Call.Failed: HTTP: Status 500] Subscribing to the notes destination works, but sending a message doesn't. I obviously need more details to diagnose the problem, so an explanation of how to see that logging information would be awesome. Thanks, Tom Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the http
RE: [flexcoders] Re: FDS on CFMX configuration problems
Jim, I'm using CFMX7 MultiServer install + IIS as webserver. As soon as I get to work I'll post more information. João Fernandes -Original Message- From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Jim Sent: Fri 07-Jul-06 12:47 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Re: FDS on CFMX configuration problems Well that is encouraging that you were able to get them working together. Are you using the Mulitserver (JRUN4) option for CFMX7? And if so, is your WEB-INF directory in a webroot? Did you have to do any tweaking to services-config.xml? Write us the technote that Adobe won't man...c'mon (grin). Jim --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, João Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only problem that I see running seperated instances of FDS CFMX is the fact that FDS doesn't ship with the remoting for CF so when you define CF remoting destinations(the ColdFusion one) it throws an error, so to be able to use a mix of remoting + data management you'll have to keep 2 xml files, one for FDS and one for compilation. If there is another way, I didn't find any documentation about it. I have it running CFMX7+ FDS and now without issues but more documentation about this would be nice. One of the issues about the technote is the fact that FDS and CFMX7 both uses a MessageBrokerServlet definition. I kept the CF (the Flex one couldn't load those CF remoting Classes) João Fernandes -Original Message- From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Jim Sent: Thu 06-Jul-06 7:54 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Re: FDS on CFMX configuration problems I tried the same thing (combining FDS with CFMX 7.0.2) using the same technote and wasn't able to get it to work. I emailed an insider at Adobe on the Coldfusion team I met at the CFObjective conference and learned that they aren't very happy with that technote and recommended that I run FDS and CFMX separately for now. I haven't tried that yet, but apparently you did and it was working, which is encouraging to me. I've spent three days trying to get FDS working with a fresh installation of CFMX 7 Multiserver (JRun4) option. The WEB-INF directory installs in the nested directories within the JRun4 folder, but the new CF/Flex Wizard expects the WEB-INF to be in the webroot. I've been having issues with the services-config.xml file. I found a copy of the file Ben Forta uses on the sys-con website which has worked so far. But if you manage to combine FDS and CFMX 7 and get them working, please share what you did. Thanks, Jim Pickering --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Tom Bray tombray@ wrote: When I first started working with FDS, I used the standalone version with integrated JRun and had FB configured to launch FDS and direct its logging to the output pane in FB. I was happy. Now, I'm trying to configure FDS on top of CFMX and haven't had much success. I used the instructions below at this link: http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/knowledgebase/index.cfm? id=4f079a4dpss=rss_flex_4f079a4d. It would be very helpful if Adobe would expand upon those instructions with the steps for getting the sample apps up and running. Also, the instructions for setting up debugging ( http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Flex_Enterprise_Services:Debuggi ng) need to be updated for the final release of FDS and I'd love to see a similar document for setting up debugging with FDS on CFMX. In the meantime, I'm having errors that I don't know how to get additional information on. I'm trying to get the notes sample app running, and I get this error: [RPC Fault faultString=Send failed faultCode=Client.Error.MessageSend faultDetail=Channel.Connect.Failed error NetConnection.Call.Failed: HTTP: Status 500] Subscribing to the notes destination works, but sending a message doesn't. I obviously need more details to diagnose the problem, so an explanation of how to see that logging information would be awesome. Thanks, Tom -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ winmail.dat
RE: [flexcoders] Re: FDS on CFMX configuration problems
Jim, Can you follow, the technote steps? For the merging web.xml, copy everything except for the messageBrokerServlet from flex web.xml. To work with FDS, your assemblers must be under your server instance webroot or add a mapping so it can resolve the path to reach it. In my service-config.xml all non-secured amf/http channels point to port 80. Default RMTP and CF RMTP port channels as they are by default (2038 2048). In my cf admin page, I activated support for remoting + FDS defining a channel ID (I set the same as my instance name). If we cluster several server instances, I bet that the same name must be defined in every single node (not tested). João Fernandes Dep. Informática - Área de Desenvolvimento Cofina media Avenida João Crisóstomo, Nº 72 . 1069-043 Lisboa PORTUGAL Tel (+351) 213 185 200 . Fax (+351) 213 540 370 [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Sent: sexta-feira, 7 de Julho de 2006 0:47 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Re: FDS on CFMX configuration problems Well that is encouraging that you were able to get them working together. Are you using the Mulitserver (JRUN4) option for CFMX7? And if so, is your WEB-INF directory in a webroot? Did you have to do any tweaking to services-config.xml? Write us the technote that Adobe won't man...c'mon (grin). Jim --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, João Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only problem that I see running seperated instances of FDS CFMX is the fact that FDS doesn't ship with the remoting for CF so when you define CF remoting destinations(the ColdFusion one) it throws an error, so to be able to use a mix of remoting + data management you'll have to keep 2 xml files, one for FDS and one for compilation. If there is another way, I didn't find any documentation about it. I have it running CFMX7+ FDS and now without issues but more documentation about this would be nice. One of the issues about the technote is the fact that FDS and CFMX7 both uses a MessageBrokerServlet definition. I kept the CF (the Flex one couldn't load those CF remoting Classes) João Fernandes -Original Message- From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Jim Sent: Thu 06-Jul-06 7:54 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Re: FDS on CFMX configuration problems I tried the same thing (combining FDS with CFMX 7.0.2) using the same technote and wasn't able to get it to work. I emailed an insider at Adobe on the Coldfusion team I met at the CFObjective conference and learned that they aren't very happy with that technote and recommended that I run FDS and CFMX separately for now. I haven't tried that yet, but apparently you did and it was working, which is encouraging to me. I've spent three days trying to get FDS working with a fresh installation of CFMX 7 Multiserver (JRun4) option. The WEB-INF directory installs in the nested directories within the JRun4 folder, but the new CF/Flex Wizard expects the WEB-INF to be in the webroot. I've been having issues with the services-config.xml file. I found a copy of the file Ben Forta uses on the sys-con website which has worked so far. But if you manage to combine FDS and CFMX 7 and get them working, please share what you did. Thanks, Jim Pickering --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Tom Bray tombray@ wrote: When I first started working with FDS, I used the standalone version with integrated JRun and had FB configured to launch FDS and direct its logging to the output pane in FB. I was happy. Now, I'm trying to configure FDS on top of CFMX and haven't had much success. I used the instructions below at this link: http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/knowledgebase/index.cfm? id=4f079a4dpss=rss_flex_4f079a4d. It would be very helpful if Adobe would expand upon those instructions with the steps for getting the sample apps up and running. Also, the instructions for setting up debugging ( http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Flex_Enterprise_Services:Debuggi ng) need to be updated for the final release of FDS and I'd love to see a similar document for setting up debugging with FDS on CFMX. In the meantime, I'm having errors that I don't know how to get additional information on. I'm trying to get the notes sample app running, and I get this error: [RPC Fault faultString=Send failed faultCode=Client.Error.MessageSend faultDetail=Channel.Connect.Failed error NetConnection.Call.Failed: HTTP: Status 500] Subscribing to the notes destination works, but sending a message doesn't. I obviously need more details to diagnose the problem, so an explanation of how to see that logging information would be awesome. Thanks, Tom __._,_.___ -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files
RE: [flexcoders] Re: FDS on CFMX configuration problems
You are right, this is the tricky part. However, there is an easy way around it. Install CF and Flex separately (2 jvm instance, or 2 wars in the same instance). Then point you projects -services option to the flex2 services-config.xml. This will allow you to use the FDS and messaging stuff. And to use ColdFusions Flash Remoting you will create and configure the Channel via actionscript instead of letting FlexBuilder do it automatically. I don't have the exact syntax, but you want to create a ChannelSet object, and set the mx:RemoteObject channelset property to be the channel set instance you created. When you are creating the ChannelSet object, really the only important thing is the endpoint url to the CF FlashRemoting servlet "/flex2gateway/"hth, ---nimerJoão Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only problem that I see running seperated instances of FDS CFMX is the fact that FDS doesn't ship with the remoting for CF so when you define CF remoting destinations(the "ColdFusion" one) it throws an error, so to be able to use a mix of remoting + data management you'll have to keep 2 xml files, one for FDS and one for compilation. If there is another way, I didn't find any documentation about it.I have it running CFMX7+ FDS and now without issues but more documentation about this would be nice.One of the issues about the technote is the fact that FDS and CFMX7 both uses a MessageBrokerServlet definition. I kept the CF (the Flex one couldn't load those CF remoting Classes)João Fernandes-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com on behalf of JimSent: Thu 06-Jul-06 7:54 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.comSubject: [flexcoders] Re: FDS on CFMX configuration problemsI tried the same thing (combining FDS with CFMX 7.0.2) using the same technote and wasn't able to get it to work. I emailed an insider at Adobe on the Coldfusion team I met at the CFObjective conference and learned that they aren't very happy with that technote and recommended that I run FDS and CFMX separately for now.I haven't tried that yet, but apparently you did and it was working, which is encouraging to me. I've spent three days trying to get FDS working with a fresh installation of CFMX 7 Multiserver(JRun4) option. The WEB-INF directory installs in the nested directories within the JRun4 folder, but the new CF/Flex Wizard expects the WEB-INF to be in the webroot.I've been having issues with the services-config.xml file. I found a copy of the file Ben Forta uses on the sys-con website which has worked so far.But if you manage to combine FDS and CFMX 7 and get them working, please share what you did.Thanks,Jim Pickering--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com, "Tom Bray" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I first started working with FDS, I used the standalone version with integrated JRun and had FB configured to launch FDS and direct its logging to the output pane in FB. I was happy. Now, I'm trying to configure FDS on top of CFMX and haven't had much success. I used the instructions below at this link: http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/knowledgebase/index.cfm?id=4f079a4dpss=rss_flex_4f079a4d. It would be very helpful if Adobe would expand upon those instructions with the steps for getting the sample apps up and running. Also, the instructions for setting up debugging ( http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Flex_Enterprise_Services:Debugging) need to be updated for the final release of FDS and I'd love to see a similar document for setting up debugging with FDS on CFMX. In the meantime, I'm having errors that I don't know how to get additional information on. I'm trying to get the notes sample app running, and I get this error: [RPC Fault faultString="Send failed" faultCode="Client.Error.MessageSend" faultDetail="Channel.Connect.Failed error NetConnection.Call.Failed: HTTP: Status 500"] Subscribing to the notes destination works, but sending a message doesn't. I obviously need more details to diagnose the problem, so an explanation of how to see that logging information would be awesome. Thanks, Tom Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. __._,_.___ -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo!
RE: [flexcoders] Re: FDS on CFMX configuration problems
The only problem that I see running seperated instances of FDS CFMX is the fact that FDS doesn't ship with the remoting for CF so when you define CF remoting destinations(the ColdFusion one) it throws an error, so to be able to use a mix of remoting + data management you'll have to keep 2 xml files, one for FDS and one for compilation. If there is another way, I didn't find any documentation about it. I have it running CFMX7+ FDS and now without issues but more documentation about this would be nice. One of the issues about the technote is the fact that FDS and CFMX7 both uses a MessageBrokerServlet definition. I kept the CF (the Flex one couldn't load those CF remoting Classes) João Fernandes -Original Message- From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Jim Sent: Thu 06-Jul-06 7:54 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Re: FDS on CFMX configuration problems I tried the same thing (combining FDS with CFMX 7.0.2) using the same technote and wasn't able to get it to work. I emailed an insider at Adobe on the Coldfusion team I met at the CFObjective conference and learned that they aren't very happy with that technote and recommended that I run FDS and CFMX separately for now. I haven't tried that yet, but apparently you did and it was working, which is encouraging to me. I've spent three days trying to get FDS working with a fresh installation of CFMX 7 Multiserver (JRun4) option. The WEB-INF directory installs in the nested directories within the JRun4 folder, but the new CF/Flex Wizard expects the WEB-INF to be in the webroot. I've been having issues with the services-config.xml file. I found a copy of the file Ben Forta uses on the sys-con website which has worked so far. But if you manage to combine FDS and CFMX 7 and get them working, please share what you did. Thanks, Jim Pickering --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Tom Bray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I first started working with FDS, I used the standalone version with integrated JRun and had FB configured to launch FDS and direct its logging to the output pane in FB. I was happy. Now, I'm trying to configure FDS on top of CFMX and haven't had much success. I used the instructions below at this link: http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/knowledgebase/index.cfm? id=4f079a4dpss=rss_flex_4f079a4d. It would be very helpful if Adobe would expand upon those instructions with the steps for getting the sample apps up and running. Also, the instructions for setting up debugging ( http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Flex_Enterprise_Services:Debuggi ng) need to be updated for the final release of FDS and I'd love to see a similar document for setting up debugging with FDS on CFMX. In the meantime, I'm having errors that I don't know how to get additional information on. I'm trying to get the notes sample app running, and I get this error: [RPC Fault faultString=Send failed faultCode=Client.Error.MessageSend faultDetail=Channel.Connect.Failed error NetConnection.Call.Failed: HTTP: Status 500] Subscribing to the notes destination works, but sending a message doesn't. I obviously need more details to diagnose the problem, so an explanation of how to see that logging information would be awesome. Thanks, Tom Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/nhFolB/TM ~- -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ winmail.dat