Re: [flexcoders] Flex Builder on Linux been scrapped ?
On Friday 01 May 2009, Sam Lai wrote: It's probably not the editor bits that are hard, but the debugging bits which have to reach outside of the Java world to work. Well, that's solved, because the Labs build has a debugger. As for the design view, they might be reaching out and using a platform-specific component to render the design, so that it would match the output better than rewriting the entire rendering engine in Java? They are, yes, and that same special player (authplay ?) is apparently in Reader 9 on Linux (for embedded Flex in PDFs), so that's solved to. -- Helping to widespreadedly harvest cross-media industry-wide deliverables as part of the IT team of the year, '09 and '08 Tom Chiverton Developer Tel: +44 0161 618 5032 Fax: +44 0161 618 5099 tom.chiver...@halliwells.com 3 Hardman Square, Manchester, M3 3EB www.Halliwells.com This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office together with a list of those non members who are referred to as partners. We use the word ?partner? to refer to a member of the LLP, or an employee or consultant with equivalent standing and qualifications. Regulated by the Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.Halliwells.com.
Re: [flexcoders] Flex Builder on Linux been scrapped ?
On Friday 01 May 2009, john fisher wrote: FB != Flex - there's always the SDK - most people don't use the design view that much - do they? won't I lose the debugger too? as noted I have to try it... Linux doesn't have the Design View. The SDK comes with a command line debugger - 'fdb'. -- Helping to conveniently unleash performance-oriented global impactful exceptional solutions as part of the IT team of the year, '09 and '08 Tom Chiverton Developer Tel: +44 0161 618 5032 Fax: +44 0161 618 5099 tom.chiver...@halliwells.com 3 Hardman Square, Manchester, M3 3EB www.Halliwells.com This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office together with a list of those non members who are referred to as partners. We use the word ?partner? to refer to a member of the LLP, or an employee or consultant with equivalent standing and qualifications. Regulated by the Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.Halliwells.com.
Re: [flexcoders] Flex Builder on Linux been scrapped ?
I was thinking the same... thomas parquier wrote: As eclipse is java based, how does fb happen to be incompletely ported to linux ? What about opening source of fb ? There must be some java developers who will be able to work on fb.
Re: [flexcoders] Flex Builder on Linux been scrapped ?
As eclipse is java based, how does fb happen to be incompletely ported to linux ? What about opening source of fb ? There must be some java developers who will be able to work on fb. thomas --- http://www.web-attitude.fr/ msn : thomas.parqu...@web-attitude.fr softphone : sip:webattit...@ekiga.net sip%3awebattit...@ekiga.net téléphone portable : +33601 822 056 2009/5/1 john fisher j...@jpfisher.net Paul Andrews wrote: A really difficullt viewpoint to understand. FB != Flex - there's always the SDK - most people don't use the design view that much - do they? won't I lose the debugger too? as noted I have to try it... Linux doesn't have the Design View. but you do seem happy to bet your customers come only from the linux world. not going to specify any OS for customers, building Flash for web interfaces. I don't have a problem with open source, but many people see it as a mantra for ife, ... mostly it depends on what you have invested in, I've let my Windows investment drop in favor of Linux, and I'm not sorry. I have yet to meet anyone outside the geek/software development world using Linux, well we ARE talking about development platforms, not end user platforms. Anyway netbooks and Android phones are colonizing the lower Windows space - food for a business discussion elsewhere.
Re: [flexcoders] Flex Builder on Linux been scrapped ?
Paul Andrews wrote: A really difficullt viewpoint to understand. FB != Flex - there's always the SDK - most people don't use the design view that much - do they? won't I lose the debugger too? as noted I have to try it... Linux doesn't have the Design View. but you do seem happy to bet your customers come only from the linux world. not going to specify any OS for customers, building Flash for web interfaces. I don't have a problem with open source, but many people see it as a mantra for ife, ... mostly it depends on what you have invested in, I've let my Windows investment drop in favor of Linux, and I'm not sorry. I have yet to meet anyone outside the geek/software development world using Linux, well we ARE talking about development platforms, not end user platforms. Anyway netbooks and Android phones are colonizing the lower Windows space - food for a business discussion elsewhere.
Re: [flexcoders] Flex Builder on Linux been scrapped ?
If Adobe drops Linux support for Flex, then I will probably drop Flex. I won't maintain a Windows or Mac box at home, and my company really doesn't want to invest in any more Windows apps. I don't want to invest myself in technology I can't run independently of whoever I happen to be working for today. Seeing the fickleness of the corporate owners of development tools is what sent us to Linux and open source tools in the first place. We can't bet our products on some whim of Adobe. My current all-Linux proof-of-concept project will be blown out of the water, and I'll have to get up to speed on Java. -grieving already John and at a time when Linux is gnawing away at laptop market from below and the desktop market is dying...
Re: [flexcoders] Flex Builder on Linux been scrapped ?
Wouldn't you still be able to build your own IDE using the free SDK? As I understand it a lot of people do this now to avoid having to buy FB, and I imagine Linux users would be relatively common within that group. If sales for a linux version of FB are too low to justify the ongoing cost of development, you can hardly blame Adobe for that. Their support for *nix is better than most. Guy On 01/05/2009, at 9:35 AM, john fisher wrote: If Adobe drops Linux support for Flex, then I will probably drop Flex. I won't maintain a Windows or Mac box at home, and my company really doesn't want to invest in any more Windows apps. I don't want to invest myself in technology I can't run independently of whoever I happen to be working for today. Seeing the fickleness of the corporate owners of development tools is what sent us to Linux and open source tools in the first place. We can't bet our products on some whim of Adobe. My current all-Linux proof-of-concept project will be blown out of the water, and I'll have to get up to speed on Java. -grieving already John and at a time when Linux is gnawing away at laptop market from below and the desktop market is dying...
Re: [flexcoders] Flex Builder on Linux been scrapped ?
I'm going to continue to stay out of the fray, but just to be clear, that conversation is about Flex Builder, not the SDK. We will always support developers on Linux, it's a question of what we tools beyond the SDK we provide. We'll be looking to share more information on our plans in a few weeks. Matt On 4/30/09 4:44 PM, Guy Morton g...@alchemy.com.au wrote: Wouldn't you still be able to build your own IDE using the free SDK? As I understand it a lot of people do this now to avoid having to buy FB, and I imagine Linux users would be relatively common within that group. If sales for a linux version of FB are too low to justify the ongoing cost of development, you can hardly blame Adobe for that. Their support for *nix is better than most. Guy On 01/05/2009, at 9:35 AM, john fisher wrote: If Adobe drops Linux support for Flex, then I will probably drop Flex. I won't maintain a Windows or Mac box at home, and my company really doesn't want to invest in any more Windows apps. I don't want to invest myself in technology I can't run independently of whoever I happen to be working for today. Seeing the fickleness of the corporate owners of development tools is what sent us to Linux and open source tools in the first place. We can't bet our products on some whim of Adobe. My current all-Linux proof-of-concept project will be blown out of the water, and I'll have to get up to speed on Java. -grieving already John and at a time when Linux is gnawing away at laptop market from below and the desktop market is dying...
Re: [flexcoders] Flex Builder on Linux been scrapped ?
Guy I could use the bare SDK of course. I hadn't really tried it before because the Flex Builder Eclipse plugin seemed like a good idea. And there is *some* support for it in the community, I don't know how much. You're right I should try that before I give up. blame Adobe is not quite right, trust is more like it. Watching Java slowly worm its way out of Sun's grasp to the point where its now more or less open-source should provide a positive prediction for the eventual outcome, but Adobe ain't Sun, but then Sun ain't either now. Does Adobe have the right corporate culture to nurture an open-source project? I like the way they are running Flex otherwise, but maybe I indulged in wishful thinking on the Linux support. John Guy Morton wrote: Wouldn't you still be able to build your own IDE using the free SDK? As I understand it a lot of people do this now to avoid having to buy FB, and I imagine Linux users would be relatively common within that group. If sales for a linux version of FB are too low to justify the ongoing cost of development, you can hardly blame Adobe for that. Their support for *nix is better than most. Guy
Re: [flexcoders] Flex Builder on Linux been scrapped ?
well thanks for that Matt, I'll wait for announcements. John Matt Chotin wrote: I'm going to continue to stay out of the fray, but just to be clear, that conversation is about Flex Builder, not the SDK. We will always support developers on Linux, it's a question of what we tools beyond the SDK we provide. We'll be looking to share more information on our plans in a few weeks. Matt
Re: [flexcoders] Flex Builder on Linux been scrapped ?
- Original Message - From: john fisher j...@jpfisher.net To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 12:35 AM Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Flex Builder on Linux been scrapped ? If Adobe drops Linux support for Flex, then I will probably drop Flex. I won't maintain a Windows or Mac box at home, and my company really doesn't want to invest in any more Windows apps. I don't want to invest myself in technology I can't run independently of whoever I happen to be working for today. Seeing the fickleness of the corporate owners of development tools is what sent us to Linux and open source tools in the first place. We can't bet our products on some whim of Adobe. My current all-Linux proof-of-concept project will be blown out of the water, and I'll have to get up to speed on Java. -grieving already John A really difficullt viewpoint to understand. FB != Flex - there's always the SDK - most people don't use the design view that much - do they? Why should Adobe invest in a product that costs money to develop but has a low adoption rate? You may not be happy to bet your products on the whim of Adobe, but you do seem happy to bet your customers come only from the linux world. You seem happy to ditch the benefits of flex as a rapid development platform for rich applications in favour of XXX simply because one development tool may not be available on Linux - doesn't seem to be a sensible approach to decide software architectures. I don't have a problem with open source, but many people see it as a mantra for ife, whch is OK, but sometimes there are indirect costs to avoiding commercial wares. I have yet to meet anyone outside the geek/software development world using Linux, so I'm curious about your targetted product market! Anyway, the choice is yours. Paul and at a time when Linux is gnawing away at laptop market from below and the desktop market is dying... Well, Linux in the everyday world is still well under my radar as is the immenent death of the desktop.
Re: [flexcoders] Flex Builder on Linux been scrapped ?
2009/5/1 Kelly dek...@gmail.com: I am not sure why it's so hard. Most other Eclipse plugins work fine on Linux 32 and 64 Bit. It's probably not the editor bits that are hard, but the debugging bits which have to reach outside of the Java world to work. Ditto with the profiler bits I'd say, and any other components that need to communicate with AIR directly. As for the design view, they might be reaching out and using a platform-specific component to render the design, so that it would match the output better than rewriting the entire rendering engine in Java? Who knows (unless you decompile FB possibly), but Java and Eclipse aren't inherently cross-platform all the time given what they need to do.
Re: [flexcoders] Flex Builder on Linux been scrapped ?
On Tuesday 28 Apr 2009, Nick Collins wrote: out IntelliJ IDEA 8.1, which I'm told has pretty nice Flex development features. Just missing the design view and profiler, really... Do you know, does it do CFML/CFScript syntax highlighting ? -- Helping to efficiently incentivize infrastructures as part of the IT team of the year, '09 and '08 Tom Chiverton Developer Tel: +44 0161 618 5032 Fax: +44 0161 618 5099 tom.chiver...@halliwells.com 3 Hardman Square, Manchester, M3 3EB www.Halliwells.com This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office together with a list of those non members who are referred to as partners. We use the word ?partner? to refer to a member of the LLP, or an employee or consultant with equivalent standing and qualifications. Regulated by the Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.Halliwells.com.
Re: [flexcoders] Flex Builder on Linux been scrapped ?
Nick Collins wrote: Well, if you really want to develop Flex on Linux, you could always check out IntelliJ IDEA 8.1, which I'm told has pretty nice Flex development features. Just missing the design view and profiler, really... that's like telling me to bet on a race horse w/only 2 legs. but i wish adobe would come out w/a linux version of FB. i think it's the last bit of desktop s/w holding me to XP.
Re: [flexcoders] Flex Builder on Linux been scrapped ?
On Wednesday 29 Apr 2009, Paul Hastings wrote: but i wish adobe would come out w/a linux version of FB. i think it's the last bit of desktop s/w holding me to XP. Did you give the release on Labs a go ? It's very nearly there, the bits of Builder it does do almost all work fine (occisonal AIR app crashes and debug disconnects, for instance). -- Helping to paradigmatically accelerate distributed markets as part of the IT team of the year, '09 and '08 Tom Chiverton Developer Tel: +44 0161 618 5032 Fax: +44 0161 618 5099 tom.chiver...@halliwells.com 3 Hardman Square, Manchester, M3 3EB www.Halliwells.com This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office together with a list of those non members who are referred to as partners. We use the word ?partner? to refer to a member of the LLP, or an employee or consultant with equivalent standing and qualifications. Regulated by the Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.Halliwells.com.
Re: [flexcoders] Flex Builder on Linux been scrapped ?
Tom Chiverton wrote: Did you give the release on Labs a go ? It's very nearly there, the bits of Builder it does do almost all work fine (occisonal AIR app crashes and debug disconnects, for instance). no actually, i thought it was set to expire any day now. i'm very attached to editors (i used cfstudio until last year or so) so i didn't want to have to start all over again, twice (went from cfstudio to eclipse because i upgraded my w/s couldn't find my cfstudio serial number). i just had a peak at IntelliJ's features it doesn't seem to do cf--so its useless to me. if you do cf/java/flex/air i think it will be kind of hard to escape eclipse.
Re: [flexcoders] Flex Builder on Linux been scrapped ?
On Wednesday 29 Apr 2009, Paul Hastings wrote: no actually, i thought it was set to expire any day now. December. want to have to start all over again, twice (went from cfstudio to eclipse because i upgraded my w/s couldn't find my cfstudio serial number). IDEA would feel close to Eclipse, to be honest - having gone the other way with Java development due to cost. i just had a peak at IntelliJ's features it doesn't seem to do cf--so its useless to me. if you do cf/java/flex/air i think it will be kind of hard to escape eclipse. http://coldfusion-in-idea.blogspot.com/ :-) -- Helping to quickly restore prospective 24/365 metrics as part of the IT team of the year, '09 and '08 Tom Chiverton Developer Tel: +44 0161 618 5032 Fax: +44 0161 618 5099 tom.chiver...@halliwells.com 3 Hardman Square, Manchester, M3 3EB www.Halliwells.com This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office together with a list of those non members who are referred to as partners. We use the word ?partner? to refer to a member of the LLP, or an employee or consultant with equivalent standing and qualifications. Regulated by the Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.Halliwells.com.
Re: [flexcoders] Flex Builder on Linux been scrapped ?
:( On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Tom Chiverton tom.chiver...@halliwells.com wrote: It looks like Builder on Linux might be a gonner (http://gruchalski.com/2009/04/22/flex-builder-3-for-linux-on-hold/) - register your support for the product by voting for http://bugs.adobe.com/jira/browse/FB-19053 Tom Chiverton Developer Tel: +44 0161 618 5032 Fax: +44 0161 618 5099 tom.chiver...@halliwells.com 3 Hardman Square, Manchester, M3 3EB www.Halliwells.com This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office together with a list of those non members who are referred to as partners. We use the word “partner” to refer to a member of the LLP, or an employee or consultant with equivalent standing and qualifications. Regulated by the Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.Halliwells.com. -- j:pn \\no comment
Re: [flexcoders] Flex Builder on Linux been scrapped ?
Well, if you really want to develop Flex on Linux, you could always check out IntelliJ IDEA 8.1, which I'm told has pretty nice Flex development features. Just missing the design view and profiler, really... On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Johannes Nel johannes@gmail.comwrote: :( On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Tom Chiverton tom.chiver...@halliwells.com wrote: It looks like Builder on Linux might be a gonner (http://gruchalski.com/2009/04/22/flex-builder-3-for-linux-on-hold/) - register your support for the product by voting for http://bugs.adobe.com/jira/browse/FB-19053 Tom Chiverton Developer Tel: +44 0161 618 5032 Fax: +44 0161 618 5099 tom.chiver...@halliwells.com 3 Hardman Square, Manchester, M3 3EB www.Halliwells.com This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office together with a list of those non members who are referred to as partners. We use the word “partner” to refer to a member of the LLP, or an employee or consultant with equivalent standing and qualifications. Regulated by the Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.Halliwells.com. -- j:pn \\no comment
