[Flexradio] Just wondering about the NR

2005-11-14 Thread Tim Ellison
Pardon, the basic newbie questions, but I just want to make sure what I
am experiencing is the norm.

I have noticed that if I engage the DSP, the audio volume decreases by
about 40% (subjectively).  I would expect some decrease in AF intensity,
but is a 40% decrease the norm?

BTW, I am not experiencing any modification of the audio characteristics
using the NR other than some of the high frequency components are
attenuated.  None of the being in a fish bowl and listening at the end
of a pipe characteristics reported by others.

Setup: AMD Athlon 64 Dual Core 4400+, 1 GB RAM, Delta 44 (64-bit
drivers), SDR-1000 (full stack w/o tuner, all current mods), W2IJHY
EQplus  Heil PR20

-Tim
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Re: [Flexradio] Just wondering about the NR

2005-11-14 Thread Eric Wachsmann - FlexRadio
Tim (really directed more generally),

The ANF/NR settings are highly subject to band conditions.  What works
for us here in the lab doesn't always work for N4HY in NJ.  We have
selected values that seem to work fairly well across the bands _for us_.
When the ANF is working properly, I have seen it notch as many as 4
carriers inside the passband with excellent attenuation while coping an
SSB signal.

The NR seems to be pretty hard to describe other than the fact that if
you get the settings right, you will be able to copy stations down near
the noise that were just barely audible before.  N4HY might be able to
describe these functions a bit better.

The Operating Manual does an excellent job of describing the controls
that manipulate the NR/ANF.  Please use this as a starting point for
these types of questions.


Eric Wachsmann
FlexRadio Systems 

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 radio.biz] On Behalf Of Tim Ellison
 Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 4:53 PM
 To: flexRadio@flex-radio.biz
 Subject: [Flexradio] Just wondering about the NR
 
 Pardon, the basic newbie questions, but I just want to make sure what
I
 am experiencing is the norm.
 
 I have noticed that if I engage the DSP, the audio volume decreases by
 about 40% (subjectively).  I would expect some decrease in AF
intensity,
 but is a 40% decrease the norm?
 
 BTW, I am not experiencing any modification of the audio
characteristics
 using the NR other than some of the high frequency components are
 attenuated.  None of the being in a fish bowl and listening at the end
 of a pipe characteristics reported by others.
 
 Setup: AMD Athlon 64 Dual Core 4400+, 1 GB RAM, Delta 44 (64-bit
 drivers), SDR-1000 (full stack w/o tuner, all current mods), W2IJHY
 EQplus  Heil PR20
 
 -Tim
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Re: [Flexradio] Just wondering about the NR

2005-11-14 Thread Eric Wachsmann - FlexRadio
Tim,

My more general response was not directed at you (as it indicated), but
at the reflector in general.  Because these sorts of questions get
archived, many times similar questions come up.  I hope you understand
that we ENCOURAGE these types of questions and interaction on the
reflector.

It sounds like you have a good handle on where to go for resources when
you run into a problem, but many people searching the archives do not.
This was the reason for my mentioning the manual in my previous
response. (throw Teamspeak in there somewhere too)  ;)

I probably did not adequately respond to your original question given my
more general response (again, more for the sake of the archive than
directed at you).  

I will say that we have fixed an AF bug that was causing lower audio
just today.  This will be in the next release (v1.4.5 Preview 6).
However, I'm not sure that this is typical operation for the NR (much
lower volume).  It sounds to me like the values might be too aggressive
for your particular situation.  N4HY aka the expert would likely be
the best person to comment here.


Eric Wachsmann
FlexRadio Systems


 -Original Message-
 From: Tim Ellison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 5:58 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; flexRadio@flex-radio.biz
 Subject: RE: [Flexradio] Just wondering about the NR
 
 Eric,
 
 I did use the manual as a starting point for inquiring about my
 question.  I understand the function of the controls as described and
 did play with the settings.
 
 I think you misinterpreted my question.  I am not complaining about
the
 quality of the ANF or the NR to do their respective functions.  Nor
did
 I inquire about how to manipulate the ANF and NR controls.
 
 I have just noticed that when the NR is engaged, I have to really turn
 up the AF to get back to a comfortable listening volume.  If I forget
to
 turn it down before I disengage the NR, it hurts my ears when wearing
 headphones.  Is this normal? I didn't know so I asked the question.
 
 And BTW, I don't feel that asking these types of questions warranted a
 RTFM reply.  The radio is new to me and it is evident from reading the
 forums that things can change drastically from release to release.
 Pardon me for being curious.
 
 -Tim
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 -Original Message-
 From: Eric Wachsmann - FlexRadio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 6:09 PM
 To: Tim Ellison; flexRadio@flex-radio.biz
 Subject: RE: [Flexradio] Just wondering about the NR
 
 Tim (really directed more generally),
 
 The ANF/NR settings are highly subject to band conditions.  What works
 for us here in the lab doesn't always work for N4HY in NJ.  We have
 selected values that seem to work fairly well across the bands _for
us_.
 When the ANF is working properly, I have seen it notch as many as 4
 carriers inside the passband with excellent attenuation while coping
an
 SSB signal.
 
 The NR seems to be pretty hard to describe other than the fact that if
 you get the settings right, you will be able to copy stations down
near
 the noise that were just barely audible before.  N4HY might be able to
 describe these functions a bit better.
 
 The Operating Manual does an excellent job of describing the controls
 that manipulate the NR/ANF.  Please use this as a starting point for
 these types of questions.
 
 
 Eric Wachsmann
 FlexRadio Systems
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  radio.biz] On Behalf Of Tim Ellison
  Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 4:53 PM
  To: flexRadio@flex-radio.biz
  Subject: [Flexradio] Just wondering about the NR
 
  Pardon, the basic newbie questions, but I just want to make sure
what
 I
  am experiencing is the norm.
 
  I have noticed that if I engage the DSP, the audio volume decreases
by
  about 40% (subjectively).  I would expect some decrease in AF
 intensity,
  but is a 40% decrease the norm?
 
  BTW, I am not experiencing any modification of the audio
 characteristics
  using the NR other than some of the high frequency components are
  attenuated.  None of the being in a fish bowl and listening at the
end
  of a pipe characteristics reported by others.
 
  Setup: AMD Athlon 64 Dual Core 4400+, 1 GB RAM, Delta 44 (64-bit
  drivers), SDR-1000 (full stack w/o tuner, all current mods), W2IJHY
  EQplus  Heil PR20
 
  -Tim
  ---
  Tim Ellison mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Integrated Technical Services http://www.itsco.com/
  Apex, NC USA
  919.674.0044 Ext. 25 / 919.674.0045 (FAX)
  919.215.6375 - cell
   PGP public key available at all public KeyServers 
 
 
 
 
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