Re: [Flightgear-devel] Java client library
> I'm currently working on a gui to help users to start fgfs > with their own options (it parses prefernces.xml and show the > user the different options available). I started writing it > in Python with wxPython gui library (works on Linux-gtk, > Windows, MacOSX, and every motif-Unices). If find python + > wxPython much greater than java + swing (to use and to program) This may sound kinda wierd, but I have had some success using Macromedia's Flash MX for this type of stuff. No Linux support, but it is rather ubiquitous on Windows and Mac. It runs within a familar environment for the user (Browser), run-time is free, has a built in XML parser/generator, Can read and write to the file system directly, Can start other applications, and it is easy to make the results look very cool. One could just bring up a local instance of TomCat and use standard web forms as well . :-) ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
RE: [Flightgear-devel] Java client library
Norman Vine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > My point was that the beauty of having a 'scriptable' GUI was that a > user, not a developer / programmer, should be able to personalize > their GUI easily, not so sure this would be possible with a C++ GUI. > Well one time I was asked to write an xml configurable gui based on pui, but I suppose that would create an undesireable requirement for opengl on the clients. Seems as though it could be possible design an xml based "script" that could be backended with just about anything though. As far as java is concerned, my feelings are mixed. Java is a very interesting and fun language, but for the most part anything of consequence running in jvm seems to be a little pigish and fails to take full advantage of much of what gui style interface is best for. With it's proprietary licensing it'd be a shame if it turned into the favored platform for Flight Gear gui clients, imho. Best, Jim ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
RE: [Flightgear-devel] Java client library
Norman Vine writes: > but this was in reference to 'ease of use' for 'users' not 'developers' > > hmmm > maybe FlightGear 'users' all know how to run compilers :-)) No, but any ones who can write Python or Java code certainly can. A user-friendly, extensible GUI would probably have a GUI interface for adding new forms and fields and would save the new configuration in a format that the user never sees. The Java GUI could allow runtime Python scripting through JPython, but it would probably make more sense to use ECMAScript since it's better known. All the best, David -- David Megginson, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.megginson.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
RE: [Flightgear-devel] Java client library
Norman Vine writes: > FWIW - What I think would likely be the 'pentultimate' system is a Tool > that read the existing XML configuration files and automagically created > a GUI from what it found. This is sort of what the HTML interface to the > properties does now If the GUI is able to run on a different box than the program, it will have to be able to get all of the information it needs over the network connection without touching any config files. The current telnet interface is usable for now, but we might want to be able to pass extra information in the future. All the best, David -- David Megginson, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.megginson.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
RE: [Flightgear-devel] Java client library
Tony Peden writes: > >>> > >Scripting languages are good stuff ... but they are still languages. Agreed :-) but this was in reference to 'ease of use' for 'users' not 'developers' hmmm maybe FlightGear 'users' all know how to run compilers :-)) Cheers Norman ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Java client library
Norman Vine wrote: > Tony Peden writes: > >>Norman Vine wrote: >> >> >>>David Megginson writes: >>> >>> Olivier Grisel writes: >So if we develop such user friendly tools, it might be a >good idea to choose only one gui style so as they get all >the same style. > > You work sounds great. I see no harm in having both Java and Python GUIs -- I'm no Python fan myself (though there are other fgfs developers who are), and Java will make life a lot easier for Mac and Windows users who probably already have Java on their systems but would run away screaming if we asked them to install Python or Perl. >>>Well perhaps but ... those that did the 'One Click' installation >>>would have a GUI they could probably 'customize' for themselves :-). >>> >>>FWIW - IMHO writing the External GUI in JAVA is tantamount to >>>writting it in C++ >>> >> >>Like there would be something wrong with writing in C++ ? >> > > No - I agree with David that the more external GUI's the better > This flexibility was in fact one of our prime reasons for implementing > the network interface. > > My point was that the beauty of having a 'scriptable' GUI was that a > user, not a developer / programmer, should be able to personalize > their GUI easily, not so sure this would be possible with a C++ GUI. > > FWIW - What I think would likely be the 'pentultimate' system is a Tool > that read the existing XML configuration files and automagically created > a GUI from what it found. This is sort of what the HTML interface to the > properties does now Scripting languages are good stuff ... but they are still languages. > > Cheers > > Norman > > > ___ > Flightgear-devel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel > > -- -- Tony Peden [EMAIL PROTECTED] We all know Linux is great ... it does infinite loops in 5 seconds. -- attributed to Linus Torvalds ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
RE: [Flightgear-devel] Java client library
Tony Peden writes: > >Norman Vine wrote: > >> David Megginson writes: >> >>>Olivier Grisel writes: >>> >>> So if we develop such user friendly tools, it might be a good idea to choose only one gui style so as they get all the same style. >>>You work sounds great. I see no harm in having both Java and Python >>>GUIs -- I'm no Python fan myself (though there are other fgfs >>>developers who are), and Java will make life a lot easier for Mac and >>>Windows users who probably already have Java on their systems but >>>would run away screaming if we asked them to install Python or Perl. >>> >> >> Well perhaps but ... those that did the 'One Click' installation >> would have a GUI they could probably 'customize' for themselves :-). >> >> FWIW - IMHO writing the External GUI in JAVA is tantamount to >> writting it in C++ > > >Like there would be something wrong with writing in C++ ? No - I agree with David that the more external GUI's the better This flexibility was in fact one of our prime reasons for implementing the network interface. My point was that the beauty of having a 'scriptable' GUI was that a user, not a developer / programmer, should be able to personalize their GUI easily, not so sure this would be possible with a C++ GUI. FWIW - What I think would likely be the 'pentultimate' system is a Tool that read the existing XML configuration files and automagically created a GUI from what it found. This is sort of what the HTML interface to the properties does now Cheers Norman ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Java client library
Norman Vine wrote: > David Megginson writes: > >>Olivier Grisel writes: >> >> >>>So if we develop such user friendly tools, it might be a >>>good idea to choose only one gui style so as they get all >>>the same style. >>> >>You work sounds great. I see no harm in having both Java and Python >>GUIs -- I'm no Python fan myself (though there are other fgfs >>developers who are), and Java will make life a lot easier for Mac and >>Windows users who probably already have Java on their systems but >>would run away screaming if we asked them to install Python or Perl. >> > > Well perhaps but ... those that did the 'One Click' installation > would have a GUI they could probably 'customize' for themselves :-). > > FWIW - IMHO writing the External GUI in JAVA is tantamount to > writting it in C++ Like there would be something wrong with writing in C++ ? > > Regards > > Norman > > > > ___ > Flightgear-devel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel > > -- -- Tony Peden [EMAIL PROTECTED] We all know Linux is great ... it does infinite loops in 5 seconds. -- attributed to Linus Torvalds ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
RE: [Flightgear-devel] Java client library
David Megginson writes: > >Olivier Grisel writes: > > > So if we develop such user friendly tools, it might be a > > good idea to choose only one gui style so as they get all > > the same style. > >You work sounds great. I see no harm in having both Java and Python >GUIs -- I'm no Python fan myself (though there are other fgfs >developers who are), and Java will make life a lot easier for Mac and >Windows users who probably already have Java on their systems but >would run away screaming if we asked them to install Python or Perl. Well perhaps but ... those that did the 'One Click' installation would have a GUI they could probably 'customize' for themselves :-). FWIW - IMHO writing the External GUI in JAVA is tantamount to writting it in C++ Regards Norman ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Java client library
Olivier Grisel wrote: > It don't like SWING ! It don't like SWING ! > :) > > For Windows users py2exe exists and transorf a wxPython > app into a dummy-windows-user friendly .exe file. > (but have never tested it since I don't have win) > > Irix doesn't support motif or gtk ? Actually, it supports both ... Erik > > Some (too early) screen shots > > http://champi.freezope.org/FlightGear/Oz/Oz-shot-1.png > http://champi.freezope.org/FlightGear/Oz/Oz-shot-2.png > http://champi.freezope.org/FlightGear/Oz/Oz-shot-3.png Hmm, not bad! Erik ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Java client library
It don't like SWING ! It don't like SWING ! :) For Windows users py2exe exists and transorf a wxPython app into a dummy-windows-user friendly .exe file. (but have never tested it since I don't have win) Irix doesn't support motif or gtk ? Some (too early) screen shots http://champi.freezope.org/FlightGear/Oz/Oz-shot-1.png http://champi.freezope.org/FlightGear/Oz/Oz-shot-2.png http://champi.freezope.org/FlightGear/Oz/Oz-shot-3.png and for curious people http://champi.freezope.org/FlightGear/Oz/Oz.tar.bz2 -- Champi (03) Olivier Grisel *** Paix, Amour, Liberté et Fleurs. *** ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Java client library
David Megginson wrote: > Olivier Grisel writes: > > > So if we develop such user friendly tools, it might be a > > good idea to choose only one gui style so as they get all > > the same style. > > You work sounds great. I see no harm in having both Java and Python > GUIs -- I'm no Python fan myself (though there are other fgfs > developers who are), and Java will make life a lot easier for Mac and Irix and > Windows users who probably already have Java on their systems but > would run away screaming if we asked them to install Python or Perl. Erik ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Java client library
Olivier Grisel writes: > So if we develop such user friendly tools, it might be a > good idea to choose only one gui style so as they get all > the same style. You work sounds great. I see no harm in having both Java and Python GUIs -- I'm no Python fan myself (though there are other fgfs developers who are), and Java will make life a lot easier for Mac and Windows users who probably already have Java on their systems but would run away screaming if we asked them to install Python or Perl. All the best, David -- David Megginson, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.megginson.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Java client library
> I might develop this into a remote instructor's panel, a full
> configuration GUI, a remote-control module for weather and other
> environment parameters, or any combination of these. Contributions
> are welcome, of course.
I'm currently working on a gui to help users to start fgfs
with their own options (it parses prefernces.xml and show the
user the different options available). I started writing it
in Python with wxPython gui library (works on Linux-gtk,
Windows, MacOSX, and every motif-Unices). If find python +
wxPython much greater than java + swing (to use and to program)
I think I would be able to submit you my first release in
two or three days.
I'd also have the idea of instructor gui, and I started
some scipts to test the idea (currently it can just
connect/disconnect to fgfs telnet port).
With my script your example becomes :
cnx = fgCnx('localhost', 9000)
altitude = cnx.get("/position/altitude-ft")
cnx.set("/position/altitude-ft", altitude + 1000)
cnx.close()
So I'm able to realtime plot every props with
a gnuplot python wrap, ...
I can send you a copy of my scripts by mail if you want.
So if we develop such user friendly tools, it might be a
good idea to choose only one gui style so as they get all
the same style.
I'm looking forward to hearing from you :)
bye
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*** Paix, Amour, Liberté et Fleurs. ***
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