Re: [Flightgear-devel] Suggested commit log change

2011-10-05 Thread Geoff McLane
Hi Martin,

Thanks, trying that now...

OT: You know, something about your particular 
emails posts here... when I click [Reply] it does 
NOT fill in the address to the dev list... 

Yours is the only post where that happens...
not particularly a problem, but just curious... 
deliberate or accidental? ... maybe others can 
confirm...

Regards,
Geoff.

On Tue, 2011-10-04 at 21:44 +, Martin Spott wrote:
 Geoff McLane wrote:
  I tried getting into my 'commitlogs' account to 
  change it out of digest mode, [...]
 [...]
 I'd recommend to ping your list maintainer  ;-)
 [...]
 Cheers,
   Martin.



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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Suggested commit log change

2011-10-05 Thread Martin Spott
Hi Geoff,

Geoff McLane wrote:

 OT: You know, something about your particular 
 emails posts here... when I click [Reply] it does 
 NOT fill in the address to the dev list... 

Personally I'm convinced that this is intentional, but I'll let Curt,
the list maintainer, comment on the details.

It's widely used practice _not_ to set the sender to the list address
in order to save the list from bounce loops if the delivery to one of
the recipients failes with a message which can't be properly identified
as a delivery failure - and thus doesn't get caught by the usual
measures.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Suggested commit log change

2011-10-05 Thread Gene Buckle
On Wed, 5 Oct 2011, Martin Spott wrote:

 Hi Geoff,

 Geoff McLane wrote:

 OT: You know, something about your particular
 emails posts here... when I click [Reply] it does
 NOT fill in the address to the dev list...

 Personally I'm convinced that this is intentional, but I'll let Curt,
 the list maintainer, comment on the details.

 It's widely used practice _not_ to set the sender to the list address
 in order to save the list from bounce loops if the delivery to one of
 the recipients failes with a message which can't be properly identified
 as a delivery failure - and thus doesn't get caught by the usual
 measures.

Martin, this is actually only seen with your messages.  I use Alpine to 
read mail and your messages come in with this additional field shown in 
the header:

Newsgroups: list.flightgear-devel

When reply to your posts, it asks if I want to reply to the author, the 
newsgroup or both.

g.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Suggested commit log change

2011-10-05 Thread Martin Spott
Gene Buckle wrote:

 Martin, this is actually only seen with your messages.  I use Alpine to 
 read mail and your messages come in with this additional field shown in 
 the header:
 
 Newsgroups: list.flightgear-devel

Ah yes, that's because I'm running a local INN (by more than 15 years
of tradition) and reading all the mailing lists as newsgroups.
Anyhow I still assume those EMails posted via tin/INN are formally
correct - otherwise please advise.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Suggested commit log change

2011-10-05 Thread Geoff McLane
On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 07:56 -0700, Gene Buckle wrote:
 On Wed, 5 Oct 2011, Martin Spott wrote:
  McLane wrote:
  [...]
  OT: You know, something about your particular
  emails posts here... when I click [Reply] it does
  NOT fill in the address to the dev list...
 
  Personally I'm convinced that this is intentional, but I'll let Curt,
  the list maintainer, comment on the details.
 
  It's widely used practice _not_ to set the sender to the list address
  in order to save the list from bounce loops if the delivery to one of
  the recipients failes with a message which can't be properly identified
  as a delivery failure - and thus doesn't get caught by the usual
  measures.
 
 Martin, this is actually only seen with your messages.  I use Alpine to 
 read mail and your messages come in with this additional field shown in 
 the header:
 
 Newsgroups: list.flightgear-devel
 
 When reply to your posts, it asks if I want to reply to the author, the 
 newsgroup or both.
 
 g.
 

Hi Martin, Gene,

Still OT: but interesting...

Wow, I somehow 'knew' there would be a 
reason, and it even sounds very reasonable ;=))

It seems you are the SOLE person conforming 
to this 'norm' ;=)) and saving the server 
from a barrage of fail messages... thanks, I 
think...

It appears your email header does contain a From: 
and a Reply-to:, and the only other difference, 
as Gene mentions, is that your email client further 
sets a Newgroups: field...

From experience, in my Evolution, unlike Alpine,
when I click [Reply], if there is only a From: then 
will use that; if a Reply-to: use that; but if 
Newgroups: do neither... strange...

But on the other hand the online GMail client 
does not 'show' this Newgroups: field, and thus 
uses the Reply-to: field on clicking [Reply]... 

Regards,
Geoff.

Your email Header: (changed slightly)
From:   Martin Spott _your_._na...@mgras.net
Reply-to:   FlightGear developers discussions
flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject:Re: [Flightgear-devel] Suggested commit log change
Date:   10/05/2011 03:59:44 PM
Newsgroups: list.flightgear-devel



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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Suggested commit log change

2011-10-05 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 5 Oct 2011 15:23:54 + (UTC), Martin wrote in message 
j6hsqa$e02a$1...@osprey.mgras.de:

 Gene Buckle wrote:
 
  Martin, this is actually only seen with your messages.  I use
  Alpine to read mail and your messages come in with this additional
  field shown in the header:
  
  Newsgroups: list.flightgear-devel
 
 Ah yes, that's because I'm running a local INN (by more than 15 years
 of tradition) and reading all the mailing lists as newsgroups.
 Anyhow I still assume those EMails posted via tin/INN are formally
 correct - otherwise please advise.
 
 Cheers, Martin.

..clicking Reply with Claws Mail 3.7.6 offers only
flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net as it should.
Right next to it I also have the All and Sender 
reply buttons. ;o)

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Suggested commit log change

2011-10-05 Thread Gene Buckle
On Wed, 5 Oct 2011, Martin Spott wrote:

 Gene Buckle wrote:

 Martin, this is actually only seen with your messages.  I use Alpine to
 read mail and your messages come in with this additional field shown in
 the header:

 Newsgroups: list.flightgear-devel

 Ah yes, that's because I'm running a local INN (by more than 15 years
 of tradition) and reading all the mailing lists as newsgroups.
 Anyhow I still assume those EMails posted via tin/INN are formally
 correct - otherwise please advise.

I suspect it's a problem on the mail client end.  Some aren't so hot in 
following standards. :)

g.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Default 3d clouds in Local Weather

2011-10-05 Thread Stuart Buchanan
On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 1:03 PM,  Thorsten Renk wrote:
 What's the status of the flat layer on curved Earth problem by the way?

 This should have been fixed since September 12th in git.

 https://gitorious.org/fg/simgear/commit/d2dfb81a0907276f36cf7582c4274fa1784972d6

 Are you still seeing the problem?


 Unfortunately yes. I've pulled and compiled just today, I'm seeing the new
 replay system, so I guess there's no chance of me mixing up the binaries.

snip

 Could you perform this test and let me know if you observe something
 different?

Yes - I've managed to repro the problem. My previous fix was insufficient.

I've got another fix, that I think solves the problem, but unfortunately I've
 got a bunch of simgear merge requests stacked up on gitorious right
now, so it may be some time before the fix is committed in git.

-Stuart

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