[Flightgear-devel] Website
Alright all, this is just a simple question. Nothing tech related. Who's working on the website? (is it curt?) I'm looking to help out (and it looks like we've got a pretty good base :) Kyle Keevill kyle...@gmail.com -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Make an app they can't live without Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge http://p.sf.net/sfu/RIM-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Another FlightProSim website
On Jun 29, 2010, at 5:45 AM, Erik Hofman wrote: On Tue, 2010-06-29 at 11:11 +0200, Gijs de Rooy wrote: Hi, I was notified about the existence of yet another website, affliated with FlightSimPro: http://www.realflightsimulator.net/ I would ask people to be a bit careful before responding too aggressively. At this point looks to me like it's an honest person/company with good intentions. Maybe they doesn't even know about FlightGear. Erik Then we'd be best to tell them about FlightGear. A lot of people (After searching youtube, etc.) believe the FPS is legit simply because it has a price on it. I agree with Erik, don't respond too aggressively, it makes us seem at fault. People simply do not know about FG. Also, if they do know about FG because most websites are describing v1.9.1 stating it's a mix between FS 2004 and FS 2008. ^^It may be best to keep this one under radar to avoid community outcry. (unless it's already been posted) Kyle Keevill kyle...@gmail.com -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Sprint What will you do first with EVO, the first 4G phone? Visit sprint.com/first -- http://p.sf.net/sfu/sprint-com-first ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Replacement fpr mpserver01.flightgear.org
I may be able to do this. Gotta rumage through my stuff here. The floors still open for all. On Apr 7, 2010, at 5:40 AM, Oliver Schroeder wrote: Bandwidth is not easy to measure. I did some testing this morning and came to these results: ~ 50 kbit/sec per directly connected client ~ 3 kbit/sec per idle relay server (same as direct connected clients for active servers) With about 20 active users about ~ 650 kbit/sec over all with all known public servers as relays. Maximum users I have seen was about 70 users. So I think a 10 MBit line will provide sufficient bandwith for current usage. (DSL is not a good choice as the line will easily be filled). CPU and memory usage is not significant at all. I can not tell what bandwidth is needed for the mapserver, but it should be quit moderate as well. regards, Oliver On Tuesday 06 April 2010 19:22:08 Pete Morgan wrote: Whats the bandwidth involved? This is a pretty loaded server ? pete Oliver Schroeder wrote: Hello list. Unfortunatly my sponsor for mpserver01 will quit his contract for the hardware. Thus I am in search for a replacement. If you are interrested in offering a unix host for hosting fgms (the server software, which does not need root access), please drop me an email. I'm also willing to continue to administer this server if you don't want to administer it yourself. The same applies to mpmap01.flightgear.org which is currently hosted on the same hardware. Any comments and especially offers are welcome Regards, Oliver -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel Kyle Keevill kyle...@gmail.com -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Replacement fpr mpserver01.flightgear.org
Oliver, I'd like to know this information as well. Kyle On Apr 6, 2010, at 1:22 PM, Pete Morgan wrote: Whats the bandwidth involved? This is a pretty loaded server ? pete Oliver Schroeder wrote: Hello list. Unfortunatly my sponsor for mpserver01 will quit his contract for the hardware. Thus I am in search for a replacement. If you are interrested in offering a unix host for hosting fgms (the server software, which does not need root access), please drop me an email. I'm also willing to continue to administer this server if you don't want to administer it yourself. The same applies to mpmap01.flightgear.org which is currently hosted on the same hardware. Any comments and especially offers are welcome Regards, Oliver -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel Kyle Keevill kyle...@gmail.com -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Website
Pete, I'm not going to lie. I like that look really nicely. The only thing that worries me is the little cubicles. It almost looks like one of those placeholder websites. -- Kyle On Apr 5, 2010, at 6:46 PM, Pete Morgan wrote: Here's another version, This one's php flavoured and reads files directly from cvs http://flightgear.daffodil.uk.com/ regards pete -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel Kyle Keevill kyle...@gmail.com -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] News from FlightProSim!
Curt, I can help out organization wise and can provide some really good feedback on the site. Let me know. -- Kyle On Mar 17, 2010, at 6:56 PM, Curtis Olson wrote: On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 4:49 PM, Martin Spott wrote some stuff about the web page: A couple brief comments on the web site. Pete and I agreed (I think) that we probably don't want to ultimately do the official flightgear web site as a google apps engine page. That locks us into a closed source, proprietary situation for the web site. What we suggested might be a way to move forward would be to migrate some of Pete's other people's ideas and feedback into the current web site. I spent some time using Pete's menu css and trying to build a column of menus down the left side of the screen. I have an initial version. Some of that I like, but I'm just not happy with how it's coming together yet. First we have too many menu options to really make that approach work right now (thus some reorg work really needs to be done), and it's a good time to perhaps think about what all is in or out of the menus because not everything that's there makes as much sense as it used to, and there are probably some things that really should get dropped in there. Again, in terms of menu content, I think we can agree that Pete's example page doesn't cover many of the items that are currently in the FlightGear web page menu structure and adds some different things that aren't currently in the FlightGear menu structure. Regards, Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel Kyle Keevill kyle...@gmail.com -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] News from FlightProSim!
Last I heard, The GPL license was applied to all the planes hosted on the FG website. I do believe however, that if we do take our own planes and put them in a restrictive CC license and then give permission for FG and only FG to use them, then we may be able to do some good. On Mar 16, 2010, at 7:18 PM, Rob Oates wrote: Hmm, why not change the license on some of the newer planes to a more restrictive creative commons license? This would give you more control over how these are used. For instance, you could apply the license so the planes could only be use for non-commercial/free projects, and if a commercial project wanted to use your planes then they would have to request permission to use them. I think that is a fair trade off. Besides commercial companies should be trying to improve the underlying Flight Dynamic Model and terrain system ... not trying to getting rich quick off of our pretty planes. The GPL license should apply some probably just a handful of planes. my 2 cents -Rob On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 7:44 PM, Pete Morgan ac...@daffodil.uk.com wrote: Just sent an email to New Zealand open Source and got this reply, pete Hello Peter, Thanks for bringing this to our attention. Please recognise that the GPL does not in any way preclude people from packaging up and selling a software application *so long as they comply with the terms of the GPL with regard to making the source code available on request*. It may be that these guys are *not* in violation of the GPL so long as they can provide you with their source code if you request it. If they can't, then they should be given notice of a GPL violation. There is another issue here, however: if they are packaging up wiki content, aircraft designs, et al. for which *they do not hold copyright* and which aren't licensed under a Creative Commons license allowing commercial distribution, then they *are* guilty of copyright infringement, and you can take them to task on that, *if you are (or represent) the copyright holder*. As a representative of the NZOSS, I would fully encourage you to explore both issues (the distribution of source code, and the distribution of copyrighted materials constituting potential copyright infringement) with the FlightProSim.com people. One of our other members has noted that they're similarly distributing Free!Ship: http://www.3dboatdesign.com/indexg.php http://www.3dboatdesign.com/indexg.php We'll investigate that. Let me know if you have any further questions. Kind regards, Dave Lane NZOSS council member -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel Kyle Keevill kyle...@gmail.com -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] News from FlightProSim!
Good point, didn't account for that. On Mar 16, 2010, at 8:05 PM, Adam Dershowitz wrote: That only helps make it clear if someone is violating a copyright. It doesn't help enforce it. If the license is changed, and then someone were to go and sell FG with those aircraft who would hire the lawyer bring the copyright violation law suit? --Adam On Mar 16, 2010, at 4:26 PM, kyle keevill wrote: Last I heard, The GPL license was applied to all the planes hosted on the FG website. I do believe however, that if we do take our own planes and put them in a restrictive CC license and then give permission for FG and only FG to use them, then we may be able to do some good. On Mar 16, 2010, at 7:18 PM, Rob Oates wrote: Hmm, why not change the license on some of the newer planes to a more restrictive creative commons license? This would give you more control over how these are used. For instance, you could apply the license so the planes could only be use for non-commercial/free projects, and if a commercial project wanted to use your planes then they would have to request permission to use them. I think that is a fair trade off. Besides commercial companies should be trying to improve the underlying Flight Dynamic Model and terrain system ... not trying to getting rich quick off of our pretty planes. The GPL license should apply some probably just a handful of planes. my 2 cents -Rob On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 7:44 PM, Pete Morgan ac...@daffodil.uk.com wrote: Just sent an email to New Zealand open Source and got this reply, pete Hello Peter, Thanks for bringing this to our attention. Please recognise that the GPL does not in any way preclude people from packaging up and selling a software application *so long as they comply with the terms of the GPL with regard to making the source code available on request*. It may be that these guys are *not* in violation of the GPL so long as they can provide you with their source code if you request it. If they can't, then they should be given notice of a GPL violation. There is another issue here, however: if they are packaging up wiki content, aircraft designs, et al. for which *they do not hold copyright* and which aren't licensed under a Creative Commons license allowing commercial distribution, then they *are* guilty of copyright infringement, and you can take them to task on that, *if you are (or represent) the copyright holder*. As a representative of the NZOSS, I would fully encourage you to explore both issues (the distribution of source code, and the distribution of copyrighted materials constituting potential copyright infringement) with the FlightProSim.com people. One of our other members has noted that they're similarly distributing Free!Ship: http://www.3dboatdesign.com/indexg.php http://www.3dboatdesign.com/indexg.php We'll investigate that. Let me know if you have any further questions. Kind regards, Dave Lane NZOSS council member -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel Kyle Keevill kyle...@gmail.com -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks
Re: [Flightgear-devel] News from FlightProSim!
That's un-believable, but he's done his research, the license allows you to sell it =/ He obviously did his research and found a loophole. It's a shame that someone would go the great lengths to actually do something as immoral as this. On Mar 15, 2010, at 4:13 PM, Heiko Schulz wrote: Btw: Blender has more or less the same problem- and it seems from the design of the webpage, that is the same company. Blender were able to fight against successfully last year. But this year they are back. http://www.blendernation.com/3dmagix-re-branding-and-selling-the-free-software-blender/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Sie sind Spam leid? Yahoo! Mail verfügt über einen herausragenden Schutz gegen Massenmails. http://mail.yahoo.com -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel Kyle Keevill kyle...@gmail.com -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
