Re: [Flightgear-devel] 503
Hey guys, I can think of lots more interesting things to flame each other with. The wiki is being cared for, and we have a plan we are working towards. Please be patient and we'll get there. On the topic of the bug tracking system: Pete, my advice is that you listen for the nuggets of advice that have been laid down here, maybe they haven't been expressed in very artful ways, but there is advice buried in the flames. Listen for what is really being said, not necessarily the words or the tone. My take is that we are advising you to work hard to keep the bug tracking system clean of cruft. There is a tipping point that once the system has more cruft and noise than useful bug reports, it loses it's effectiveness. If this is your baby, presumably you would want to work hard to protect it and make it as useful as possible. If the bug tracking system turns into a repository for everyone's frustrated rants combined with every new user's personal sys-admin issues, combined with all sorts of weird stuff that no one can produce, combined with 100's of bugs filed against previous versions, combined with feature requests and opinions, then the whole thing can collapse under it's own weight. Regards, Curt. On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Gene Buckle wrote: On Tue, 16 Feb 2010, leee wrote: On Monday 15 Feb 2010, Gene Buckle wrote: On Sun, 14 Feb 2010, Alex Perry wrote: Pete, perhaps we need to create a separate queue for flightgear-usability-bugs-that-gene-doesnt-care-about. I'll ignore the snark and point out that a wiki problem is not, under any circumstances whatsoever a flightgear usability issue. Unless of course your particular copy of FlightGear depends on the wiki in some magical fashion that prevents it from running if the wiki is overloaded. g. The wiki tells you how to use FG and if you can't find that out then you can't use FG. Is that not a usability issue? Considering the volume of information available offline, no it doesn't. Regardless, fill up the bug database with whatever cruft tickles your panties at the moment. I'm done tilting at windmills. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.simpits.org/geneb - The Me-109F/X Project ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! -- SOLARIS 10 is the OS for Data Centers - provides features such as DTrace, Predictive Self Healing and Award Winning ZFS. Get Solaris 10 NOW http://p.sf.net/sfu/solaris-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ -- SOLARIS 10 is the OS for Data Centers - provides features such as DTrace, Predictive Self Healing and Award Winning ZFS. Get Solaris 10 NOW http://p.sf.net/sfu/solaris-dev2dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 503
Hi, What about asking (kindly) to the real administrator of this site : http://wiki.flightgear.org/index.php/wiki.flightgear.org:About No need for that, he already knows about the problem. Actually, he already fixed the problem! As Pete knows, all we're waiting on is a one minute job to be done by Curt: forwarding wiki.flightgear.org to the new wiki server... Cheers, Gijs _ Een netbook met Windows 7? Hier vind je alles dat je moet weten. www.windows.nl/netbook-- SOLARIS 10 is the OS for Data Centers - provides features such as DTrace, Predictive Self Healing and Award Winning ZFS. Get Solaris 10 NOW http://p.sf.net/sfu/solaris-dev2dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 503
Thanks Gijs - I'll just add that Curt has been out of town and it's better to wait for his return before switching the DNS over. Simon On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 7:42 AM, Gijs de Rooy gijsr...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, What about asking (kindly) to the real administrator of this site : http://wiki.flightgear.org/index.php/wiki.flightgear.org:About No need for that, he already knows about the problem. Actually, he already fixed the problem! As Pete knows, all we're waiting on is a one minute job to be done by Curt: forwarding wiki.flightgear.org to the new wiki server... Cheers, Gijs De nieuwe Internet Explorer: sneller, eenvoudiger en veiliger dan ooit Download nu -- SOLARIS 10 is the OS for Data Centers - provides features such as DTrace, Predictive Self Healing and Award Winning ZFS. Get Solaris 10 NOW http://p.sf.net/sfu/solaris-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- SOLARIS 10 is the OS for Data Centers - provides features such as DTrace, Predictive Self Healing and Award Winning ZFS. Get Solaris 10 NOW http://p.sf.net/sfu/solaris-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 503
On Mon, 15 Feb 2010, Pete Morgan wrote: Gene Buckle wrote: No, but its considered part of flightgear as a platform, no wiki == no info. mpservers fall in same category almost. Note that it's flightgear-bugs, not anything-that-has-anything-to-do-with-flightgear-except-the-actual-simulator-bugs. I could reply to that with is there not a The wiki is not part of the simulator. Unless of course you live in some alternate universe where a resource issue on the wiki prevents FlightGear from running on your computer. In the meantime I am perplexed why there is so much stress about an issue which is occurring, and if its frustrating for you then please ignore, however it is frustrating for me. Because you set up a good tracking tool and then promptly flood it with a pile of irrelevant crap so that the people that need use actually use the tool are overwhelmed by the noise. I dont appreciate being called a bug troll, however with all respect I I just call 'em like I see 'em. If you don't like that, See Figure #1. am a fan avid of FG and indeed follow the Geneb simpit site at http://www.simpits.org/geneb/ as well. (I guess I better NOT complain about that the mailing list which does not send me updates as its not a sim issue). You know, I re-read that last sentence many, many times. It _still_ doesn't make any sense. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.simpits.org/geneb - The Me-109F/X Project ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! -- SOLARIS 10 is the OS for Data Centers - provides features such as DTrace, Predictive Self Healing and Award Winning ZFS. Get Solaris 10 NOW http://p.sf.net/sfu/solaris-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 503
On Sun, 14 Feb 2010, Alex Perry wrote: Pete, perhaps we need to create a separate queue for flightgear-usability-bugs-that-gene-doesnt-care-about. I'll ignore the snark and point out that a wiki problem is not, under any circumstances whatsoever a flightgear usability issue. Unless of course your particular copy of FlightGear depends on the wiki in some magical fashion that prevents it from running if the wiki is overloaded. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.simpits.org/geneb - The Me-109F/X Project ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! -- SOLARIS 10 is the OS for Data Centers - provides features such as DTrace, Predictive Self Healing and Award Winning ZFS. Get Solaris 10 NOW http://p.sf.net/sfu/solaris-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 503
On Monday 15 Feb 2010, Gene Buckle wrote: On Sun, 14 Feb 2010, Alex Perry wrote: Pete, perhaps we need to create a separate queue for flightgear-usability-bugs-that-gene-doesnt-care-about. I'll ignore the snark and point out that a wiki problem is not, under any circumstances whatsoever a flightgear usability issue. Unless of course your particular copy of FlightGear depends on the wiki in some magical fashion that prevents it from running if the wiki is overloaded. g. The wiki tells you how to use FG and if you can't find that out then you can't use FG. Is that not a usability issue? LeeE -- SOLARIS 10 is the OS for Data Centers - provides features such as DTrace, Predictive Self Healing and Award Winning ZFS. Get Solaris 10 NOW http://p.sf.net/sfu/solaris-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 503
On Tue, 16 Feb 2010, leee wrote: On Monday 15 Feb 2010, Gene Buckle wrote: On Sun, 14 Feb 2010, Alex Perry wrote: Pete, perhaps we need to create a separate queue for flightgear-usability-bugs-that-gene-doesnt-care-about. I'll ignore the snark and point out that a wiki problem is not, under any circumstances whatsoever a flightgear usability issue. Unless of course your particular copy of FlightGear depends on the wiki in some magical fashion that prevents it from running if the wiki is overloaded. g. The wiki tells you how to use FG and if you can't find that out then you can't use FG. Is that not a usability issue? Considering the volume of information available offline, no it doesn't. Regardless, fill up the bug database with whatever cruft tickles your panties at the moment. I'm done tilting at windmills. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.simpits.org/geneb - The Me-109F/X Project ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! -- SOLARIS 10 is the OS for Data Centers - provides features such as DTrace, Predictive Self Healing and Award Winning ZFS. Get Solaris 10 NOW http://p.sf.net/sfu/solaris-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] 503
I thinks that this ball is now firmly in Curt's court.. http://74.126.30.121/ep/503.shtml and this issue http://code.google.com/p/flightgear-bugs/issues/detail?id=53q=wiki Wish this could be resolved sooner rather than later. Its rather disappointing for new users. kind regards Pete -- SOLARIS 10 is the OS for Data Centers - provides features such as DTrace, Predictive Self Healing and Award Winning ZFS. Get Solaris 10 NOW http://p.sf.net/sfu/solaris-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 503
Pete, perhaps we need to create a separate queue for flightgear-usability-bugs-that-gene-doesnt-care-about. -- SOLARIS 10 is the OS for Data Centers - provides features such as DTrace, Predictive Self Healing and Award Winning ZFS. Get Solaris 10 NOW http://p.sf.net/sfu/solaris-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 503
I AM SORRY.. everyone.. guess I replied in haste of emotion. apologies all pete Alex Perry wrote: Pete, perhaps we need to create a separate queue for flightgear-usability-bugs-that-gene-doesnt-care-about. -- SOLARIS 10 is the OS for Data Centers - provides features such as DTrace, Predictive Self Healing and Award Winning ZFS. Get Solaris 10 NOW http://p.sf.net/sfu/solaris-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- SOLARIS 10 is the OS for Data Centers - provides features such as DTrace, Predictive Self Healing and Award Winning ZFS. Get Solaris 10 NOW http://p.sf.net/sfu/solaris-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
