Re: [Flightgear-devel] Minor GUI Update
Curtis Olson wrote: One comment/question. I never understood the inclusion of a view selection box for the replay? When I run the replay I'm usually flipping all around between views using the normal view selection keys, and often panning the view with the mouse. It's very rare that I sit and watch an entire replay from a fixed view that I decided upon at the start of the replay. I could be the oddball, and it doesn't hurt anything to have a view selection dialog box ... just making a comment. :-) The main reason for including it is that I find that I rarely want to play the replay from the cockpit. I'm typically trying to judge how good my 3-point taildragger landing was, which is best done from a different view. I'm guessing most people use replays to see what happened from a different viewpoint. As Tom points you, you can change view very quickly. However, we now have a very large number of different views, and aircraft can (and do) add their own. While developers like ourselves are very au-fait with cycling between the views, I think more in-experienced users may struggle. Some may not even be aware that other views are available. Providing a convenient way for the user to select their initial view, and in particular using the view names themselves makes things a lot easier. Note that the drop-down defaults to the currently selected view, so there's no change in function if you just press OK. -Stuart -- Come build with us! The BlackBerryreg; Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9#45;12, 2009. Register now#33; http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Minor GUI Update
On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 3:00 AM, Stuart Buchanan wrote: The main reason for including it is that I find that I rarely want to play the replay from the cockpit. I'm typically trying to judge how good my 3-point taildragger landing was, which is best done from a different view. I'm guessing most people use replays to see what happened from a different viewpoint. As Tom points you, you can change view very quickly. However, we now have a very large number of different views, and aircraft can (and do) add their own. While developers like ourselves are very au-fait with cycling between the views, I think more in-experienced users may struggle. Some may not even be aware that other views are available. Providing a convenient way for the user to select their initial view, and in particular using the view names themselves makes things a lot easier. Note that the drop-down defaults to the currently selected view, so there's no change in function if you just press OK. I don't know if this would overly clutter the gui, but perhaps it would be useful to add a short blurb reminding the user that they can still change views using the normal mechanism during the replay. My initial reaction when I first saw the view selection dialog box was that I wondered if people might think that by offering a dialog box, their choice would lock them into a specific view for the entire replay? Here's a random idea ... thinking as I type here ... What about adding a view selection dialog box to the main menu bar that users can easily find and use during all phases of flight and during replay? Adding an easy to use menu/dialog box option is the way to counter hidden keyboard commands that many new users might not stumble upon for quite a while ... ? Regards, Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ -- Come build with us! The BlackBerryreg; Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9#45;12, 2009. Register now#33; http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Minor GUI Update
Curtis Olson wrote: I don't know if this would overly clutter the gui, but perhaps it would be useful to add a short blurb reminding the user that they can still change views using the normal mechanism during the replay. My initial reaction when I first saw the view selection dialog box was that I wondered if people might think that by offering a dialog box, their choice would lock them into a specific view for the entire replay? That's a good idea. The dialog is pretty small, and already lists the keys, so adding some explanatory text should be easy. I'll investigate. Here's a random idea ... thinking as I type here ... What about adding a view selection dialog box to the main menu bar that users can easily find and use during all phases of flight and during replay? Adding an easy to use menu/dialog box option is the way to counter hidden keyboard commands that many new users might not stumble upon for quite a while ... ? That's another good idea. You'd better be careful that your foot doesn't fall off* Adding a Change View dialog, or enhancing one of the existing dialogs would be very straightforward - especially as I've already got most of the Nasal code ;) I'll take a look. -Stuart * Bonus points for non-Brits who get the reference. -- Come build with us! The BlackBerryreg; Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9#45;12, 2009. Register now#33; http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Minor GUI Update
On 5 Oct 2009, at 17:17, Stuart Buchanan wrote: Adding a Change View dialog, or enhancing one of the existing dialogs would be very straightforward - especially as I've already got most of the Nasal code ;) I would enhance / improve the frankly confusing 'view options' dialog, which makes very little sense to me, and I guess, totally baffles novice users. (It would help if aircraft-specific views were given clear human-readable names in their definitions, instead of just numerical codes such as '101') Regards, James -- Come build with us! The BlackBerryreg; Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9#45;12, 2009. Register now#33; http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Minor GUI Update
Hi All, I've just updated the Instant Replay dialog with two small enhancements: - A short list of useful keys. This is partly because I can never remember that p p is used to end the replay, and from discussions elsewhere, it seems other people forget this too. - A dynamic view selection combo box to select the view for the replay. This replaces the previous (broken) view selection combo, and includes all the configured views. Comments are welcome as always. -Stuart -- Come build with us! The BlackBerryreg; Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9#45;12, 2009. Register now#33; http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Minor GUI Update
On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Stuart Buchanan stuart_d_bucha...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi All, I've just updated the Instant Replay dialog with two small enhancements: - A short list of useful keys. This is partly because I can never remember that p p is used to end the replay, and from discussions elsewhere, it seems other people forget this too. - A dynamic view selection combo box to select the view for the replay. This replaces the previous (broken) view selection combo, and includes all the configured views. Comments are welcome as always. Hi Stuart, One comment/question. I never understood the inclusion of a view selection box for the replay? When I run the replay I'm usually flipping all around between views using the normal view selection keys, and often panning the view with the mouse. It's very rare that I sit and watch an entire replay from a fixed view that I decided upon at the start of the replay. I could be the oddball, and it doesn't hurt anything to have a view selection dialog box ... just making a comment. :-) Thanks, Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ -- Come build with us! The BlackBerryreg; Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9#45;12, 2009. Register now#33; http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Minor GUI Update
Yep, I second that, never used the view option and never understood why it's there. The view can be selected in less than a second, right when the replay starts. Is it there for looping replays, maybe used as a FG demo? Tom Curtis Olson wrote: On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Stuart Buchanan stuart_d_bucha...@yahoo.co.uk mailto:stuart_d_bucha...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi All, I've just updated the Instant Replay dialog with two small enhancements: - A short list of useful keys. This is partly because I can never remember that p p is used to end the replay, and from discussions elsewhere, it seems other people forget this too. - A dynamic view selection combo box to select the view for the replay. This replaces the previous (broken) view selection combo, and includes all the configured views. Comments are welcome as always. Hi Stuart, One comment/question. I never understood the inclusion of a view selection box for the replay? When I run the replay I'm usually flipping all around between views using the normal view selection keys, and often panning the view with the mouse. It's very rare that I sit and watch an entire replay from a fixed view that I decided upon at the start of the replay. I could be the oddball, and it doesn't hurt anything to have a view selection dialog box ... just making a comment. :-) Thanks, Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ http://baron.flightgear.org/%7Ecurt/ -- Come build with us! The BlackBerryreg; Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9#45;12, 2009. Register now#33; http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Come build with us! The BlackBerryreg; Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9#45;12, 2009. Register now#33; http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
