Re: [Flightgear-devel] OSG compiled ....but
On 10/31/06, syd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I watched Justice , it certainly was Flightgear ,I recognised itimmediately, but I was more interested in the setup .I want one now !What'll it cost me to have youset one up for me , Curt?;) That particular simulator with an enclosure (not shown in the TV show) and including FAA level 3 FTD certification (which means you can log a substantial number of hours in the simulator) runs about $30-35k with a 3 channel visual system and all computer hardware and everything. This also includes some proprietary Cessna 172 flight dynamics that run up the cost quite a bit. And it includes the full cockpit layout with all the cockpit controls and switches in the right place. The price might sound like a lot until you go around and start pricing out similar things from other companies. I suspect most of use don't have that kind of cash hidden in our matress, but if you can at least assemble 4 machines and 4 displays, for no extra cost you could configure 3 copies of flightgear for the out-the-window view and the 4th copy of FG for the instrument panel. And running 3 displays side by side versus a single display on a single PC makes a *huge* difference in the immersiveness of the simulation.Curt.-- Curtis Olson - University of Minnesota - FlightGear Project http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/http://www.humanfirst.umn.edu/http://www.flightgear.org Unique text: 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] OSG compiled ....but
Olson's recommendations to buy three more computers causes large swell of domestic unrest among flight simmers. More on this developing story as details come in. Curtis Olson wrote: On 10/31/06, *syd* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I watched Justice , it certainly was Flightgear ,I recognised it immediately, but I was more interested in the setup .I want one now ! What'll it cost me to have you set one up for me , Curt? ;) That particular simulator with an enclosure (not shown in the TV show) and including FAA level 3 FTD certification (which means you can log a substantial number of hours in the simulator) runs about $30-35k with a 3 channel visual system and all computer hardware and everything. This also includes some proprietary Cessna 172 flight dynamics that run up the cost quite a bit. And it includes the full cockpit layout with all the cockpit controls and switches in the right place. The price might sound like a lot until you go around and start pricing out similar things from other companies. I suspect most of use don't have that kind of cash hidden in our matress, but if you can at least assemble 4 machines and 4 displays, for no extra cost you could configure 3 copies of flightgear for the out-the-window view and the 4th copy of FG for the instrument panel. And running 3 displays side by side versus a single display on a single PC makes a *huge* difference in the immersiveness of the simulation. Curt. -- Curtis Olson - University of Minnesota - FlightGear Project http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ http://baron.flightgear.org/%7Ecurt/ http://www.humanfirst.umn.edu/ http://www.flightgear.org http://www.flightgear.org Unique text: 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] OSG compiled ....but
On 11/1/06, Robert Black [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Olson's recommendations to buy three more computers causes large swellof domestic unrest among flight simmers.More on this developing story as details come in.I'll take the blame for it, but you only have to see 3 monitors (or maybe 5 lcd projectors) :-) in action to know that you are now going to make it your life's mission to assemble that much hardware yourself. And with FlightGear, the software supports this straight out of the box, so there's really no excuse not to do it. :-) Curt.-- Curtis Olson - University of Minnesota - FlightGear Projecthttp://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/http://www.humanfirst.umn.edu/ http://www.flightgear.orgUnique text: 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] OSG compiled ....but
Robert Black wrote: Olson's recommendations to buy three more computers causes large swell of domestic unrest among flight simmers. More on this developing story as details come in. Round here that'd get me see - he says you only need 4 computers, you can get rid of the rest. ;-) -- Jon Stockill [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] OSG compiled ....but
Robert Black wrote: Olson's recommendations to buy three more computers causes large swell of domestic unrest among flight simmers. According to my understanding, the move to use OSG as scene graph will enable us to run multiple screens using a single instance of FlightGear on a single computer, 'simply' by adding mutiple views/cameras to the scene some day ;-) Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] OSG compiled ....but
Hi, Curtis Olson wrote: On 10/31/06, *syd* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I watched Justice , it certainly was Flightgear ,I recognised it immediately, but I was more interested in the setup .I want one now ! What'll it cost me to have you set one up for me , Curt? ;) That particular simulator with an enclosure (not shown in the TV show) and including FAA level 3 FTD certification (which means you can log a substantial number of hours in the simulator) runs about $30-35k with a 3 channel visual system and all computer hardware and everything. This also includes some proprietary Cessna 172 flight dynamics that run up the cost quite a bit. And it includes the full cockpit layout with all the cockpit controls and switches in the right place. The price might sound like a lot until you go around and start pricing out similar things from other companies. The price certainly sounds like a lot when compared to a used 172 which can put you back about $50K or less 8^). I suspect most of use don't have that kind of cash hidden in our matress, but if you can at least assemble 4 machines and 4 displays, for no extra cost you could configure 3 copies of flightgear for the out-the-window view and the 4th copy of FG for the instrument panel. And running 3 displays side by side versus a single display on a single PC makes a *huge* difference in the immersiveness of the simulation. Curt. -- Curtis Olson - University of Minnesota - FlightGear Project http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ http://baron.flightgear.org/%7Ecurt/ http://www.humanfirst.umn.edu/ http://www.flightgear.org http://www.flightgear.org Unique text: 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel Cheers Lou - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] OSG compiled ....but
On 11/1/06, Lou Sanchez-Chopitea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The price certainly sounds like a lot when compared to a used 172which can put you back about $50K or less 8^).The counter argument is that a simulator can be used to train for certain types of failures, or extreme weather conditions, or a combination of a number of confusing factors, that would be extremely dangerous in real life. (For instance dial in some very turbulent IFR conditions at night, give them some oddball engine reading on the panel to start worrying about, now put them on an approach they aren't completely familiar with, throw in a 737 bearing down on their tail, and then fail their vacuum pump, and if they don't notice the failure, the remainder of the flight could be very short.) That's not the sort of thing you would intentionally go out and do in a real aircraft, but it is these combination of multiple factors that often lead to real problems. So you can load up a person in a sim with problems, adverse conditions, and other distractions, and really train them how to sort it all out and focus on the most important things. Also you can instantly reposition yourself at the start of an approach, so you might be able to fly/practice 10 approaches in the simulator in the same time it would take to do one complete cycle in a real aircraft. That can be a *huge* savings in your hourly operations cost, or flip it around and you can have 10x more training value for each hour of operation ... for certain tasks at least. So you certainly wouldn't buy a simulator to replace your real flying experience, but a simulator provides some extremely valuable training capabilities that could be either extremely dangerous or extremely inefficient to do in real life. Regards,Curt. -- Curtis Olson - University of Minnesota - FlightGear Projecthttp://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ http://www.humanfirst.umn.edu/http://www.flightgear.orgUnique text: 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] OSG compiled ....but
Just some more feedback, Finally got OSG version compiled and running. Some of the aircraft do not load I get a long list of : Cannot find image file it appears to be caused by model inclusions in the main animation xml file, but not sure yet. The most disappointing part : Framerate dropped significantly Now I get about 9 FPS , and 15 from a bottom view with nothing but sky in the background, where previously I was getting about 15 at KSFO and 30-40 with no scenery visible . :( On the plus side , there is no hesitation when panning the view now , and framerates do not vary as much depending on view direction. Hope it improves as the conversion progresses . I downloaded the 339PAN , and get a :Could not find plugin to read objects from file ///3dmodel.ase , so I'm guessing plib had an ase file loader. Back to testing , see if I can sort out the image not found problem. By the way , this is running on a AMD Athalon 1.1G Geforce 4000FX wiht 128 Mem 384 MB ram Not the best setup for a flightsim , but it gets me by. I watch Justice , it certainly was Flightgear ,I recognised it immediately, but I was more interested in the setup .I want one now ! What'll it cost me to have you set one up for me , Curt? ;) Cheers,Syd - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
