Re: [Flightgear-devel] Update of as350, bell206 and ch47

2006-09-28 Thread Maik Justus
Hi,
they do not hover with centered joystick due to the non symmetric 
aft-cyclic (as350, bell206) resp. the not centered c.g. (ch47). I do not 
have the values for the cyclic of the as350/bell206, therefore I used 
the values of the bo105. But overall this should be quite realistic.

Maik

Josh Babcock schrieb:
 Maik Justus wrote:
   
 Hi,

 I have updated the three old helis as350 (Ecureuil/A-Star), bell206 
 (Jet Ranger) and ch47 (Chinook). All three are using the 3D model of the 
 

 Hmm, these all seem to require huge amounts of aft trim to hover now.

 josh
   


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Update of as350, bell206 and ch47

2006-09-28 Thread Reagan Thomas
Maik Justus wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I have updated the three old helis

 How it is possible to hover the Jet Ranger precise? (maybe the real is 
 a little bit easier to 
 fly? The c.g. has big influence and I don't know where it is.)

I found this MS Excel spreadsheet designed to calculate the Bell 206 CG. 
  You should be able to open it with Open Office.

http://www.heliswiss.com/de/download/CG-BH06_XPQ_XSI_XLA.xls


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Update of as350, bell206 and ch47

2006-09-28 Thread Maik Justus
Hi Reagan,

Thanks a lot for this file. Do you know where the main shaft of the 
rotor is in this coordinate system? From the pilot's cg position i can 
guess, but with some inches error. And, more important, do you know the 
z-coordinate of the cg?

By the way:
in the meantime I am able to hover the as350 quite stable (with full 
concentration)...

It's a great fun to get this bird under control.

Maik

Reagan Thomas schrieb:
 Maik Justus wrote:
   
 Hi,

 I have updated the three old helis
 

   
 How it is possible to hover the Jet Ranger precise? (maybe the real is 
 a little bit easier to 
 fly? The c.g. has big influence and I don't know where it is.)
 

 I found this MS Excel spreadsheet designed to calculate the Bell 206 CG. 
   You should be able to open it with Open Office.

 http://www.heliswiss.com/de/download/CG-BH06_XPQ_XSI_XLA.xls


   


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Update of as350, bell206 and ch47

2006-09-27 Thread Josh Babcock
Maik Justus wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I have updated the three old helis as350 (Ecureuil/A-Star), bell206 
 (Jet Ranger) and ch47 (Chinook). All three are using the 3D model of the 

Hmm, these all seem to require huge amounts of aft trim to hover now.

josh

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[Flightgear-devel] Update of as350, bell206 and ch47

2006-09-26 Thread Maik Justus
Hi,

I have updated the three old helis as350 (Ecureuil/A-Star), bell206 
(Jet Ranger) and ch47 (Chinook). All three are using the 3D model of the 
bo and most parameters are not realistic. But they have the main 
parameters of the rotors. Therefore the as350 reacts much more delayed 
than the bo and the bell206 reacts much more delayed than the as350. 
Compared with the bo it's a total different flying. And if you are 
familiar with the bo you will probably think: How it is possible to 
hover the Jet Ranger precise? (maybe the real is a little bit easier to 
fly? The c.g. has big influence and I don't know where it is.)
On the other hand: If you thought, the flightgear bo is to easy to fly, 
try these.

The ch47 is only to demonstrate, how a two rotor heli is controlled.

(the as350 has a main rotor rotating clockwise, while the bo has a main 
rotor rotating counter clockwise. The animation is always the same (and 
therefore wrong for the as350). I am in doubt, if I should change the 
code to correct  the angles for the animation (e.g. this would mean an 
incidence of 180 degree as default for clockwise rotating rotors). What 
do the modelers think?)

Best regards,
Maik

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