[Flightgear-devel] fix.dat updates - how do it?
Hi ppl! I've made some updates to fix.dat. I've submissed it to Robin today. Is there a need to update it in flightgear too or will you wait upstream update? It's about 90 brazilian fix points. Cheers Douglas Campos - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] take off on a mono-propeller plane with a very simple joystick
hi all, taking off the mono-propeller planes with a simple joystick (e.g. SideWinder) is very hard because of the propeller torque. you are obliged to play with keyboard, and it is not very confortable, not to say it is inefficient. I changed my own Input/Joysticks/Microsoft/sidewinder.xml to correct it this way (admitting that /gear/gear[0] is the nose wheel): axis n=0 descRudder, only on ground/desc binding condition property/gear/gear/wow/property /condition commandproperty-scale/command property/controls/flight/rudder/property squared type=booltrue/squared /binding descAileron/desc binding condition not property/gear/gear/wow/property /not /condition commandproperty-scale/command property/controls/flight/aileron/property squared type=booltrue/squared /binding /axis this allows to use the joystick as pedals on the ground, it is nicer when rolling and rotating, and usefull as you don't quit the runway in an too much acrobatic way ;) I can't make a simple diff, cause I change many other things in this file to fit my needs. If someone find it useful for simple-joystick users, maybe he could commit it. MTC seb (MP name: zakh) - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] How to get Doc without PDF format ?
We have some huge file doc in .pdf format That format is very difficult to be read, directly on screen, only one Way, to print it. Why that format ? , why don't we have the html format ? How to translate that doc from .pdf to .html. Regards -- Gérard - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] How to get Doc without PDF format ?
gh.robin wrote: We have some huge file doc in .pdf format That format is very difficult to be read, directly on screen, only one Way, to print it. What's the purpose? Typically PDF is an excellent choice for reading on the screen as well as printing, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] How to get Doc without PDF format ?
--- gh.robin wrote: We have some huge file doc in .pdf format That format is very difficult to be read, directly on screen, only one Way, to print it. Why that format ? , why don't we have the html format ? How to translate that doc from .pdf to .html. I assume you are referring to The FlightGear Manual (aka The Getting Started Guide). The actual format for The Manual is Latex. This source is then converted to PDF or HTML as required. The HTML version is available here: http://www.flightgear.org/Docs/getstart/getstart.html However, as it is converted from the Latex source, it isn't as easy to read as a pure HTML document. There is certainly room for improvement in that area. Personally, I find the PDF version much easier to read than the HTML, even on a computer screen, though I refer users to the HTML version in the forum as it is easier to provide a direct link to a section. If the manual was in HTML, it would have a number of distinct disadvantages in comparison with a Latex source: - it would not print well - the PDF we generate is type-set and appropriate for publishing as an actual book - the text would display differently on different browsers - contributers would waste time typsetting rather than contributing text. -Stuart ___ Inbox full of unwanted email? Get leading protection and 1GB storage with All New Yahoo! Mail. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] How to get Doc without PDF format ?
On Thu 18 January 2007 16:41, Martin Spott wrote: gh.robin wrote: We have some huge file doc in .pdf format That format is very difficult to be read, directly on screen, only one Way, to print it. What's the purpose? Typically PDF is an excellent choice for reading on the screen as well as printing, Martin. Oh, yes you are right , with a 21 inches CRT, and 2048x1536 these PDF documents are readable. Have you tried it with 15 inches and 800x600 And i fully agree regarding the printing , 147 pages to be printed, again and again, when updates are coming up (so many paper ...:( ) Remember ==that is an extract from an old Mail on that topic= The problem with pdf on screen is that the page layout is FIXED like it is on paper. That is why it prints more consistantly , that page layout is cast in stone. If you have a smaller screen or need larger text you have to scroll _horezontally_ to read the document. To all intents and purposes it becomes unreadable. Under the same conditions html reformats to fit. === I will try the Stuart Buchanan answer Regards -- Gérard - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] How to get Doc without PDF format ?
On Thu, 18 Jan 2007, Stuart Buchanan wrote: However, as it is converted from the Latex source, it isn't as easy to read as a pure HTML document. There is certainly room for improvement in that area. If you mean that the LaTeX source isn't easy to read (not to mention edit) for people unfamiliar with LaTeX/TeX, let me recommend LyX: http://www.lyx.org/ - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] How to get Doc without PDF format ?
Joacim Persson wrote: If you mean that the LaTeX source isn't easy to read (not to mention edit) for people unfamiliar with LaTeX/TeX, let me recommend LyX: http://www.lyx.org/ Oh no, not yet another tool - it took me years to understand at least partially how LaTeX works ;-) Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] How to get Doc without PDF format ?
gh.robin wrote: Nice, i' ll transmit your answer to my requesters , and ask them to be patient, before starting with FG. Do it, if you like. If you expect me to hurry up, then please pay me for the work on FlightGear-related stuff. Otherwise please refrain from posting such obviously stupid comments. though the Stuart solution was better. Where's the difference ? Analogous to letting the HTML browser add line breaks, you could let the PDF viewer scale the document to a readable size - 800x600 is not that bad in this regard, I respect your opinion, but i don't agree, if we reduce the format, the letters are not readable, or we don't have the same glasses, the same brain, the same equipment, to use it. We probably should add a tutorial section on how to use a PDF viewer Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] How to get Doc without PDF format ?
On Thu 18 January 2007 18:20, Joacim Persson wrote: On Thu, 18 Jan 2007, gh.robin wrote: Oh, yes you are right , with a 21 inches CRT, and 2048x1536 these PDF documents are readable. Have you tried it with 15 inches and 800x600 I fail to see how it could matter for the viewability wether there is a pdf-viewer rendering fonts on the screen or if there is a web browser doing exactly the same thing. Read again carefully this The problem with pdf on screen is that the page layout is FIXED like it is on paper. That is why it prints more consistantly , that page layout is cast in stone. If you have a smaller screen or need larger text you have to scroll _horizontally_ to read the document. To all intents and purposes it becomes unreadable. Under the same conditions html reformats to fit. -- Gérard - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] How to get Doc without PDF format ?
On Thu 18 January 2007 19:15, Martin Spott wrote: gh.robin wrote: Nice, i' ll transmit your answer to my requesters , and ask them to be patient, before starting with FG. Do it, if you like. If you expect me to hurry up, then please pay me for the work on FlightGear-related stuff. Otherwise please refrain from posting such obviously stupid comments. Hey Martin, As i told you , I respect your opinion, stupids comments could be for you, not for me, was not a comment only a realistic conclusion, and i never say you had to hurry up (was a stupid answer). Sure i will not pay for it. Because, i try only to convict some friends that anybody can use FG. I am probably wrong, to spend time on it. though the Stuart solution was better. Where's the difference ? Analogous to letting the HTML browser add line breaks, you could let the PDF viewer scale the document to a readable size - 800x600 is not that bad in this regard, I respect your opinion, but i don't agree, if we reduce the format, the letters are not readable, or we don't have the same glasses, the same brain, the same equipment, to use it. We probably should add a tutorial section on how to use a PDF viewer I feel some misunderstanding somewhere, -- Gérard - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] How to get Doc without PDF format ?
gh.robin wrote: On Thu 18 January 2007 19:15, Martin Spott wrote: gh.robin wrote: Nice, i' ll transmit your answer to my requesters , and ask them to be patient, before starting with FG. Do it, if you like. If you expect me to hurry up, then please pay me for the work on FlightGear-related stuff. Otherwise please refrain from posting such obviously stupid comments. [...] Because, i try only to convict some friends that anybody can use FG. I am probably wrong, to spend time on it. Trying to put people under pressure _certainly_ is really stupid in the context of such a benevolent effort, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] OT: Austrian EC 135 helps itself
On 1/18/07, Heiko Schulz wrote: Hi, Today I found the video of this Ec 135, when it sank in the snow. But the pilot managed it very clever. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNQ1SCR2c-Amode=relatedsearch= I ran that video in reverse and it looked just like one of my FlightGear flights. :-) Curt. -- Curtis Olson - University of Minnesota - FlightGear Project http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ http://www.humanfirst.umn.edu/ http://www.flightgear.org Unique text: 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] How to get Doc without PDF format ?
On Thu, 18 Jan 2007, gh.robin wrote: The problem with pdf on screen is that the page layout is FIXED like it is on paper. That is why it prints more consistantly , that page layout is cast in stone. If you have a smaller screen or need larger text you have to scroll _horizontally_ to read the document. To all intents and purposes it becomes unreadable. I'm looking at getstart.pdf on a 14 monitor in 800x600 now, and at a zoom level of 200% in kpdf, there is still margin on the sides to zoom more. In that resolution and zoom, a capital letter in the running text is about 5--6mm tall. (Same size as the letters on my keyboard tops and more than twice the size of common newspaper print) When the day comes when I cannot even read that anymore, I better invest in a pair of reading glasses. Under the same conditions html reformats to fit. Y o u m e a n l i k e t h i s ? ; - ) - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] How to get Doc without PDF format ?
Hi, gh.robin schrieb am 18.01.2007 18:46: I respect your opinion, but i don't agree, if we reduce the format, the letters are not readable, or we don't have the same glasses, the same brain, the same equipment, to use it. Regards I suppose set your acrobat settings are different. The german acrobat has Bearbeiten - Grundeinstellungen - Seitenanzeige - Schrift glätten, in english this could be named as Edit-Setup-pagesetup-smooth, you should try to activate this option. Maik - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] How to get Doc without PDF format ?
On Thu 18 January 2007 20:15, Joacim Persson wrote: SNIP Under the same conditions html reformats to fit. Y o u m e a n l i k e t h i s ? ; - ) ??? -- Gérard - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Doing aerotow over the net
Hi all, I dropped some lines on Howto aerotow in the wiki: http://wiki.flightgear.org/flightgear_wiki/index.php?title=Doing_aerotow_over_the_net I would be very thankful, if someone could correct my English Maik - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] take off on a mono-propeller plane with a very simple joystick
On Thu 18 January 2007 14:49, Sébastien MARQUE wrote: hi all, taking off the mono-propeller planes with a simple joystick (e.g. SideWinder) is very hard because of the propeller torque. you are obliged to play with keyboard, and it is not very confortable, not to say it is inefficient. I changed my own Input/Joysticks/Microsoft/sidewinder.xml to correct it this way (admitting that /gear/gear[0] is the nose wheel): axis n=0 descRudder, only on ground/desc binding condition property/gear/gear/wow/property /condition commandproperty-scale/command property/controls/flight/rudder/property squared type=booltrue/squared /binding descAileron/desc binding condition not property/gear/gear/wow/property /not /condition commandproperty-scale/command property/controls/flight/aileron/property squared type=booltrue/squared /binding /axis this allows to use the joystick as pedals on the ground, it is nicer when rolling and rotating, and usefull as you don't quit the runway in an too much acrobatic way ;) I can't make a simple diff, cause I change many other things in this file to fit my needs. If someone find it useful for simple-joystick users, maybe he could commit it. MTC seb (MP name: zakh) Cheap and simple solution. When a yoke.xml file within FG with that trick ? Thanks -- Gérard - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Ki-84 Hayate
Tatsuhiro Nishioka wrote: I want to put this into CVS repository so here's the question. Typically there are enough people capable of getting your aircraft into CVS, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Ki-84 Hayate
Martin Spott wrote: Typically there are enough people capable of getting your aircraft into CVS, Done ;-) Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
