[Flightgear-users] Spitfire issues

2004-10-17 Thread Ampere K. Hardraade
http://forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=show_topicforum=198topic_id=303mode=full

Ampere

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[Flightgear-users] Same Problem as usual with new versions !

2004-10-17 Thread Stefan Lucian Palade
Hello everybody !
I'm using FG for some time and I have noticed that a
lot o users have problems with the instalation !
In Windows FGFS is installing fine ! I was working
with windows and FGFS in the period of FGFS version
0.9.1  and I had the same problems like all others ...
Steps :
-I download Windows binaries  OK 
-I install FGFS   OK
-I fly a short takeoff/land on KSFO ...OK
-I close FGFS launch interface OK
But when I try to start again  ERROR !!!

Solution ...reinstall FGFS !

In that time it worked ... for me !

Now I'm using LINUX ... I've worked a lot with FGFS in
some computations .
I wanted to install FGFS v 0.9.6 a few days ago ...
Failuire !
Every thong was fine ...
-download plib 1.8 
-downlaod SimGear 3.7
-Downlaod FGFS -base pakage
-Downlaod FGFS -source code 
-login CVS on OpenAL site 

Build,Build,Build 
But again ERROR . FGFS does not want to compile
!!!


And now I still work with the version 0.9.1 because
I've found one in my old Backup CD's ...and is a .rpm
file !


Could someone explain me what is not working !!!
I wait for help ! I'm not afraid of typing and
tweaking !

I've noticed how prompt you all are !!!
Thanks!

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Re: [Flightgear-users] Version 0.9.6 crashes on WinXP SP2

2004-10-17 Thread Frederic Bouvier
Ampere K. Hardraade a écrit :
http://forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=show_mesgforum=198topic_id=302mesg_id=302page=
 

For people having difficulties to catch the output of the FG console, I 
built this fgrun :
ftp://ftp.ihg.uni-duisburg.de/FlightGear/Win32/fgrun-0.4.5-with-console.zip
that catch those output and stay opened as long as fgrun run.

On a general basis, I am very sorry to hear that the build I provide 
crash for some people. Unfortunately, PC setup are so diverse that I 
can't reproduce every possible combinaison. And there are so few MSVC 
programmers here that people able to give insightful hint about a 
possible problem are reduced to a very small group.

-Fred

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RE: [Flightgear-users] Spitfire issues

2004-10-17 Thread Vivian Meazza
Ampere K. Hardraade wrote:

 Sent: 17 October 2004 07:58
 To: FlightGear user discussions
 Subject: [Flightgear-users] Spitfire issues
 
 http://forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=show_topicforum=198topic_id=303m
 ode=full
 

Thanks Ampere. I'm on the case. There's a bug somewhere in sound.xml or
submodels.xml. 

Vivian



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Re: [Flightgear-users] Same Problem as usual with new versions !

2004-10-17 Thread Frederic Bouvier
Stefan Lucian Palade a écrit :
Hello everybody !
I'm using FG for some time and I have noticed that a
lot o users have problems with the instalation !
In Windows FGFS is installing fine ! I was working
with windows and FGFS in the period of FGFS version
0.9.1  and I had the same problems like all others ...
Steps :
-I download Windows binaries  OK 
-I install FGFS   OK
-I fly a short takeoff/land on KSFO ...OK
-I close FGFS launch interface OK
But when I try to start again  ERROR !!!

Solution ...reinstall FGFS !
In that time it worked ... for me !
Now I'm using LINUX ... I've worked a lot with FGFS in
some computations .
I wanted to install FGFS v 0.9.6 a few days ago ...
Failuire !
Every thong was fine ...
-download plib 1.8 
-downlaod SimGear 3.7
-Downlaod FGFS -base pakage
-Downlaod FGFS -source code 
-login CVS on OpenAL site 

Build,Build,Build 
But again ERROR . FGFS does not want to compile
!!!
And now I still work with the version 0.9.1 because
I've found one in my old Backup CD's ...and is a .rpm
file !
Could someone explain me what is not working !!!
I wait for help ! I'm not afraid of typing and
tweaking !
I've noticed how prompt you all are !!!
Thanks!
 

*You* should first explain what is not working for *you*.
After that, we can try to help you
-Fred

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RE: [Flightgear-users] Spitfire issues

2004-10-17 Thread Vivian Meazza
I wrote:

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:flightgear-users-
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vivian Meazza
 Sent: 17 October 2004 11:27
 To: 'FlightGear user discussions'
 Subject: RE: [Flightgear-users] Spitfire issues
 
 Ampere K. Hardraade wrote:
 
  Sent: 17 October 2004 07:58
  To: FlightGear user discussions
  Subject: [Flightgear-users] Spitfire issues
 
 
 http://forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=show_topicforum=198topic_id=303m
  ode=full
 
 
 Thanks Ampere. I'm on the case. There's a bug somewhere in sound.xml or
 submodels.xml.
 

I think I solved that one: there's a file missing in Models/Geometry. I've
got an update almost ready to go for the Spitfire (which now includes a
Seafire LIIIc). I'll probably be ready to forward the update for uploading
to cvs later today/early tomorrow.

My apologies to anyone who has been inconvenienced by this bug.

Vivian 




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RE: [Flightgear-users] Building Simgear

2004-10-17 Thread Vivian Meazza








Francisco Rinaldo wrote:



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Sent: 16 October 2004 22:23
To: flightgear-users
Subject: [Flightgear-users]
Building Simgear



I´still trying to compile the program, and i still stop in the same
point.

I´ve downloaded and installed openal_cyg (Thanks Vivian) and I´ve done
everything from fresh but during make when cygwin starts making all in sound,
there is a lot of messages like this:
openal_teste1.o(.text+oxfd4):/usr/local/source/simgear-0.3.7/simgear/sound/openal_test1
.cxx:134:undefined reference to `_alSourcei same _alsourcecef,
_alsourcecefv



make: ***{all -recursive} error 1



I do no what to do .



Could anyone help me?





You may need to add this to your .bash_profile file:



LDFLAGS=-L/usr/local/lib

CXXFLAGS=-pipe -O2
-Wall -DWIN32 -DNOMINMAX -DHAVE_WINDOWS_H CFLAGS=$CXXFLAGS



export LDFLAGS

export CXXFLAGS

export CFLAGS



Then restart cygwin and recompile all from scratch.



Regards



Vivian 



PS please use plain text in your posts  it really is easier for us
(well me anyway J) to reply.






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Re: [Flightgear-users] Flyable aircraft

2004-10-17 Thread Paul Surgeon
Shucks ... I can't get FG running again (keeps aborting on joystick bindings) 
but I was getting the yaw oscillations at about 2000 feet in level flight at 
about 250 knots (clean configuration).
When I manage to get FG running again I'll set up a proper problem scenario.

Paul

On Saturday, 16 October 2004 23:36, David Culp wrote:
  The 737 is a really nice piece of work but the FDM needs a little
  tweaking. It gets into a strange yaw oscillation under nearly any
  circumstance that gets really annoying after a few minutes.  :)
 
  I really wish I could help out with some of the aircraft but getting info
  is really difficult and working on FDM's is way past my ability and
  intelligence.

 You CAN help.  Can you start by describing the flight condition that leads
 to the yaw oscillation?  I'll need to reproduce this same flight condition
 so I can see what's happening first.

 Right now I don't see the oscillation.


 Dave


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[Flightgear-users] First things first !

2004-10-17 Thread Stefan Lucian Palade
 Ok ! Good question !
I've tested (in the morning) all the aircrafts from
version 0.9.1 and there are few of them who are not
working at all( interface crash ! console ok).I've
seen the e-mail from yesterday about the aircrafts
that dont fly ! and now I'm building a list of thoes
who fly !

But my problem is that the version 0.9.6 is not
working on my linux sistem !!! I've downloaded FGFS
for Windows v.0.9.6 and is working . but I want
v.0.9.6 on linux.

OK ! Hope I've made myself understood !
Thanks !!! 

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Re: [Flightgear-users] First things first !

2004-10-17 Thread Frederic Bouvier
Stefan Lucian Palade a écrit :
Ok ! Good question !
I've tested (in the morning) all the aircrafts from
version 0.9.1 and there are few of them who are not
working at all( interface crash ! console ok).I've
seen the e-mail from yesterday about the aircrafts
that dont fly ! and now I'm building a list of thoes
who fly !
But my problem is that the version 0.9.6 is not
working on my linux sistem !!! I've downloaded FGFS
for Windows v.0.9.6 and is working . but I want
v.0.9.6 on linux.
OK ! Hope I've made myself understood !
Thanks !!! 
 

No because you still do not tell us what is going wrong when you try to 
build FG on Linux.
Listing the error messages could be a begining.

-Fred

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[Flightgear-users] Recompiling FGFS in mobile link to PC from home !

2004-10-17 Thread Stefan Lucian Palade
Is this normal in OpenAL:
#sh ./autogen.sh
WARNING: Using auxiliary files such as `acconfig.h',
`config.h.bot'
WARNING: and `config.h.top', to define templates for
`config.h.in'
WARNING: is deprecated and discouraged.

WARNING: Using the third argument of `AC_DEFINE' and
WARNING: `AC_DEFINE_UNQUOTED' allows to define a
template without
WARNING: `acconfig.h':

WARNING:   AC_DEFINE([NEED_MAIN], 1,
WARNING: [Define if a function `main' is
needed.])

WARNING: More sophisticated templates can also be
produced, see the
WARNING: documentation.




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Re: [Flightgear-users] Same Problem as usual with new versions !

2004-10-17 Thread Chris Metzler
On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 02:49:41 -0700 (PDT)
Stefan Lucian Palade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

[ snip ]

 Now I'm using LINUX ... I've worked a lot with FGFS in
 some computations .
 I wanted to install FGFS v 0.9.6 a few days ago ...
 Failuire !
 Every thong was fine ...
 -download plib 1.8 
 -downlaod SimGear 3.7
 -Downlaod FGFS -base pakage
 -Downlaod FGFS -source code 
 -login CVS on OpenAL site 
 
 Build,Build,Build 
 But again ERROR . FGFS does not want to compile
 !!!
 
 
 And now I still work with the version 0.9.1 because
 I've found one in my old Backup CD's ...and is a .rpm
 file !
 
 
 Could someone explain me what is not working !!!
 I wait for help ! I'm not afraid of typing and
 tweaking !

How can we explain what's not working, when you haven't told us what
the problem is?  Imagine that I said to you my car isn't working;
can you tell me what's wrong?  You'd say not without more information.

-c


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Re: [Flightgear-users] Flyable aircraft

2004-10-17 Thread Andreas
David Culp wrote:
I see that too. The condition is nothing special actually. Just fly
level and try a left turn. In my case, the nose will first go the right
and then the aircraft will start turning left. Almost like the left bank
caused a right rudder reaction for a while.

I can't reproduce that.  Can you send me the 737.xml file you're using so I 
can compare it with mine?
It's the one from the 0.9.6 base package. Attached.
I just flew it and I could reproduce it, but not always. My conditions were:
- straight flight
- 34000 feet of altitude
- 290 knots airspeed
- mach 0.85
A little left bank was preceeded by a right one.
Also, the vertical speed indicator is not working (and the AP is not 
working also, but I guess you know that already).

My ~/.fgfsrc is also attached.
--fg-root=/usr/share/FlightGear
--control=joystick
--enable-game-mode
--fog-nicest
--enable-random-objects
--enable-ai-models

--prop:/environment/params/real-world-weather-fetch=true

--prop:/input/joysticks/js[0]/axis[1]/binding/command=property-scale
--prop:/input/joysticks/js[0]/axis[1]/binding/property=/controls/flight/elevator
--prop:/input/joysticks/js[0]/axis[1]/binding/dead-band=0.02
--prop:/input/joysticks/js[0]/axis[1]/binding/offset=0.0
--prop:/input/joysticks/js[0]/axis[1]/binding/factor=1.0

--prop:/input/joysticks/js[0]/axis[0]/binding/command=property-scale
--prop:/input/joysticks/js[0]/axis[0]/binding/property=/controls/flight/aileron
--prop:/input/joysticks/js[0]/axis[0]/binding/dead-band=0.02
--prop:/input/joysticks/js[0]/axis[0]/binding/offset=0.0
--prop:/input/joysticks/js[0]/axis[0]/binding/factor=1.0

--prop:/input/joysticks/js[0]/axis[2]/binding/command=property-scale
--prop:/input/joysticks/js[0]/axis[2]/binding/property=/controls/flight/rudder
--prop:/input/joysticks/js[0]/axis[2]/binding/dead-band=0.9
--prop:/input/joysticks/js[0]/axis[2]/binding/offset=0.0
--prop:/input/joysticks/js[0]/axis[2]/binding/factor=1.0

--prop:/input/joysticks/js[0]/axis[3]/binding/command=property-scale
--prop:/input/joysticks/js[0]/axis[3]/binding/property=/controls/engines/engine/throttle
--prop:/input/joysticks/js[0]/axis[3]/binding/dead-band=0.02
--prop:/input/joysticks/js[0]/axis[3]/binding/offset=-1.0
--prop:/input/joysticks/js[0]/axis[3]/binding/factor=-0.5

--prop:/input/joysticks/js[0]/button[4]/binding/repeatable=false
--prop:/input/joysticks/js[0]/button[4]/binding/command=property-adjust
--prop:/input/joysticks/js[0]/button[4]/binding/property=/controls/gear/brake-left
--prop:/input/joysticks/js[0]/button[4]/binding/step=1

--prop:/input/joysticks/js[0]/button[7]/binding/repeatable=false
--prop:/input/joysticks/js[0]/button[7]/binding/command=property-adjust
--prop:/input/joysticks/js[0]/button[7]/binding/property=/controls/gear/brake-right
--prop:/input/joysticks/js[0]/button[7]/binding/step=1

--prop:/input/joysticks/js[0]/button[5]/binding/repeatable=false
--prop:/input/joysticks/js[0]/button[5]/binding/command=property-adjust
--prop:/input/joysticks/js[0]/button[5]/binding/property=/controls/flight/flaps
--prop:/input/joysticks/js[0]/button[5]/binding/step=0.34

--prop:/input/joysticks/js[0]/button[6]/binding/repeatable=false
--prop:/input/joysticks/js[0]/button[6]/binding/command=property-adjust
--prop:/input/joysticks/js[0]/button[6]/binding/property=/controls/flight/flaps
--prop:/input/joysticks/js[0]/button[6]/binding/step=-0.34

--prop:/input/joysticks/js[0]/button[2]/binding/repeatable=true
--prop:/input/joysticks/js[0]/button[2]/binding/command=property-adjust
--prop:/input/joysticks/js[0]/button[2]/binding/property=/controls/flight/elevator-trim
--prop:/input/joysticks/js[0]/button[2]/binding/step=0.001

--prop:/input/joysticks/js[0]/button[1]/binding/repeatable=true
--prop:/input/joysticks/js[0]/button[1]/binding/command=property-adjust
--prop:/input/joysticks/js[0]/button[1]/binding/property=/controls/flight/elevator-trim
--prop:/input/joysticks/js[0]/button[1]/binding/step=-0.001

FDM_CONFIG NAME=737 VERSION=1.65 RELEASE=BETA
!--
  File: 737.xml
  Author:   Aero-Matic v 0.7, David Culp

  Inputs:
name:  737
type:  two-engine transonic transport
max weight:13.0 lb
wing span: 94.75 ft
length:109.6 ft
wing area: 1135 sq-ft
gear type: tricycle
retractable?:  yes
# engines: 2
engine type:   turbine
engine layout: wings
yaw damper?yes
  Outputs:
wing loading:  114.54 lb/sq-ft
CL-alpha:  4.4 per radian
CL-0:  0.2
CL-max:1.2
CD-0:  0.02
K: 0.043

--

 METRICS
   AC_WINGAREA  1171.0
   AC_WINGSPAN  94.7
   AC_CHORD 12.31
   AC_HTAILAREA 348.0
   AC_HTAILARM  48.04
   AC_VTAILAREA 297.00
   AC_LV44.50
   AC_IXX   562000.0
   AC_IYY   1473000.0
   AC_IZZ   1894000.0
   AC_IXZ   8000
   AC_EMPTYWT   83000
   AC_CGLOC 639.0  0.0 -40.0
   AC_AERORP625.0  0.0  24.0
   AC_EYEPTLOC   80.0 -30.0 70.0
   AC_VRP   

Re: [Flightgear-users] Flyable aircraft

2004-10-17 Thread Erik Hofman
Andreas wrote:
It's the one from the 0.9.6 base package. Attached.
I just flew it and I could reproduce it, but not always. My conditions 
were:
- straight flight
- 34000 feet of altitude
- 290 knots airspeed
- mach 0.85

A little left bank was preceeded by a right one.
Also, the vertical speed indicator is not working (and the AP is not 
working also, but I guess you know that already).

My ~/.fgfsrc is also attached.

--fg-root=/usr/share/FlightGear
--control=joystick
--enable-game-mode
--fog-nicest
--enable-random-objects
--enable-ai-models
--prop:/environment/params/real-world-weather-fetch=true
These oscillations can happen when new weather is fetched. I would urge 
to try without this option and then report back.

Erik
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Re: [Flightgear-users] Simgear ERROR !!!

2004-10-17 Thread Erik Hofman
Stefan Lucian Palade wrote:
Ok now i have an error for you !

so what's wrong here ?
It looks like you don't have the header files of OpenAL installed. You 
will have to do a make install for OpenAL or install dhe openal-dev 
package first.

Erik
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Re: [Flightgear-users] (OT) SAFe-mail.net

2004-10-17 Thread Erik Hofman
David Culp wrote:
When posting here I keep getting a bounce from [EMAIL PROTECTED] saying 
that I'm not on the recipient's Allowed List.  I would click the secure link 
as instructed except it looks like it would make a great email harvesting 
tool.  Is SAFe-mail legit?  What if we all used it?  Wouldn't that make a 
huge mess?
It is getting annoying...
Erik
(No, I don't want to be a trusted user)
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Re: [Flightgear-users] First things first !

2004-10-17 Thread Paul Surgeon
I can only run 0.9.5 on Mandrake 9.2.
I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one having hassles.

Version 0.9.6 and CVS abort during loading without any errors even with 
log-level on any of the settings.

I also see no way of disabling display lists during configure which I have a 
suspicion is causing the problems in some way do to some threading issues.

Paul

On Sunday, 17 October 2004 14:39, Frederic Bouvier wrote:
 Stefan Lucian Palade a écrit :
  Ok ! Good question !
 I've tested (in the morning) all the aircrafts from
 version 0.9.1 and there are few of them who are not
 working at all( interface crash ! console ok).I've
 seen the e-mail from yesterday about the aircrafts
 that dont fly ! and now I'm building a list of thoes
 who fly !
 
 But my problem is that the version 0.9.6 is not
 working on my linux sistem !!! I've downloaded FGFS
 for Windows v.0.9.6 and is working . but I want
 v.0.9.6 on linux.
 
 OK ! Hope I've made myself understood !
 Thanks !!!

 No because you still do not tell us what is going wrong when you try to
 build FG on Linux.
 Listing the error messages could be a begining.

 -Fred



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Re: [Flightgear-users] Flyable aircraft

2004-10-17 Thread Andreas
--prop:/environment/params/real-world-weather-fetch=true

These oscillations can happen when new weather is fetched. I would urge 
to try without this option and then report back.
Ok.
BTW, is there an option to make flightgear output the whole flight to a 
file so that you could take a look at it and perhaps even watch FG doing 
my flight?

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Re: [Flightgear-users] OpenAL devel ?

2004-10-17 Thread Sid Boyce
Stefan Lucian Palade wrote:
No this is not the problem !
I've installed OpenAL from CVS just yesterday morning
(17 Oct.) 
But where can I find OpenAL devel pakage ? 

Thanks to you all who answer my questions 
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[Flightgear-users] Building Simgear

2004-10-17 Thread francisco.rinaldo1







Hi, All

I Still have errors trying to compile Simgear.
Everything is ok until compiling ( make ) in sound.
There are some eroors messages when compliling sample_openal.cxx
: Parse error before token {, undefined references for example _alSourcef
, _alSourcei and others
It seems the code is not correct, Impossible  I´m start thinking I`m not correct ...

This is What I have

plib-1.8.3
simgear-0.3.7
openal_cyg
don´t have metakit
Could anyone help?

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