Re: FLUXLIST: flexing our flux
Fluxus homonyms Apparently if you say it with a rising tone it means "electricity" in Sino-French. You mean like the 4 ways to pronounce bah ? ? H.
FLUXLIST: Thanks for the invitation to takes part in ARTS. I'm going todecline for five reasons.
Dear Scott, Thanks for the invitation to takes part in ARTS. I'm going to decline for five reasons. 1) Doing this requires more research and more time than you imagine. Generally, when an idea seems to have been done before, one feels that one vaguely remembers something from a time earlier than the present. To be sure, it's necessary to track it down. That takes research. Those with large memories and a wealth of knowledge on which to draw are sometimes constrained even further. Someone who has observed the art scene and undertaken research for several decades has developed a wealth of intuitions, memories, and recollections. Few of these are so clear that he or she can recall the specifics right off, "Oh, yes. Ian Breakwell did that in 1973." If you genuinely wish to know whether something has been done before or whether something of the same name exists or has existed in the past, you have to do the research. If you don't, you're just as likely to think it doesn't or hasn't and find that it has. 2) There are deep conceptual challenges to overcome in a project such as this. Things of the same tile are not necessarily redundant. The case of different works appearing under the same title is far more common than the same work replicated under the same title. Seeing the same work or a rough analogue of the same work repeated under new titles or with modestly adjusted contents is extremely common. Transposed or translated work is far more common still. To develop this idea conceptually, you have to clarify what you mean by the related yet distinct concepts embodied in the idea. Moreover, you must clarify and separate between and among such issues as redundancy, plagiarism, borrowing, citation, reference, quotation, as well as the possible legal issues of copyright, trademark, and the rest. 3) You have to define and clarify the goal of the project. This means defining such concepts as "original," "residual," or "derivative," and making them operational. 4) Many artists would prefer not to know that problems such as these arise in their work. I posted a note on the subject of obscured influences a few months back. 5) Finally, time is limited. My engagement in the art world has been limited for some time now. I think my work through carefully -- perhaps too carefully. I don't have time to think about work for anyone else. You asked the question, "Has something like this been done before?" I think something like this has been done once or twice before, under different names, and with slightly different concepts. If you can locate those projects, you can find out the challenges they faced, see how they attempted to meet them and discover why they no longer exist. Originality, invention, and innovation are not merely located in the development of a new idea. They also involve the issue of taking an idea that didn't work and making it work. You might find audiences for this project among other groups than artists. Art critics, editors, publishers, gallerists, collectors curators and others might like to have this kind of service for the art they are examining, writing about, selling, buying or exhibiting. There may be hope for this project. You'll have to do some research to find out whether there is. Best regards, Ken Ken Friedman, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Leadership and Strategic Design Department of Knowledge Management Norwegian School of Management +47 22.98.51.07 Direct line +47 22.98.51.11 Telefax Home office: +46 (46) 53.245 Telephone +46 (46) 53.345 Telefax email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FLUXLIST: flexing our flux
flushing french faux fluxus ferformance fece, oopes, fiece, fr fleansing frasing (subsitute all beginning consanants with f, unless already beginning with same in which case just leave as is) frint french fluxus fome fage fename french fluxus "flushes" foak fith fleach fater flace fn foilet fse fs fcubbing fmpliment flush Fll Fone, Fye Fye!!! PK Heiko Recktenwald wrote: Fluxus homonyms Apparently if you say it with a rising tone it means "electricity" in Sino-French. You mean like the 4 ways to pronounce bah ? ? H.
Re: FLUXLIST: Anti Redundancy Team ART System
Dear Scott: A worthy effort, but I just can't say any idea is "original." I believe we are all influenced by others, in the arts and in other venues and the ideas grow and resound and change. Listened to some great live jazz yesterday admittedly by musicians influenced by Miles Davis, John Coltrane and even the late Don Cherry, but the music was still theirs, and decidedly contemporary, although one could hear those great musicians who poked their sides and chided their ideas into being theirs, and theirs. Maybe I'm being redundant here, : ) but I think it's all been done yet not done, ideas grow and are shared and new ideas are birthed. I'm prob'ly approaching this in another way than you mean, so discourse invited. Best, PK scott rigby wrote: he goal is simply for artists to find out where their ideas for work, titles, etc., stand in relation to what does or doesn't already exist. whether you want to pacify an 'anxiety of influence', heighten your ability to self-consciously appropriate the work of others, or just have nothing better to do than participate in highly specialized futile research, the Anti Redundancy Targeting System© is for you. but you must join the Anti Redundancy Team© now to take advantage of this useful resource. membership will be granted free of monetary cost in exchange for the use of members' specialized knowledge, research skills, and/or willingness to talk (about whatever happens to be on the list of items in question at any given time) with their friends, or strangers and report back their findings, etc. the current list consists of: 1.the Anti Redundancy Team (A.R.T.)© 2.and the Anti Redundancy Targeting System (A.R.T.S)© anyone ever heard of anything like this? no? good! yes? good! the Anti Redundancy Targeting System will be a fun, exciting (and foolproof) way to make certain that your art ideas are absolutely 100% Original©®. have you ever wondered how to either stop or start making residual and derivative art? now you can. join (A.R.T.)©, and gain full access to participation in the (A.R.T.S.)©. here's how: please submit all requests for applications via e-mail, snail mail, telephone, or in person to: scott rigby basekamp© 215.592.7288 723 chestnut street second floor phila pa 19106 www.basekamp.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FLUXLIST: flexing our flux
oh, substitute the beginning vowels as well with f ... Patricia wrote: flushing french faux fluxus ferformance fece, oopes, fiece, fr fleansing frasing (subsitute all beginning consanants with f, unless already beginning with same in which case just leave as is) frint french fluxus fome fage fename french fluxus "flushes" foak fith fleach fater flace fn foilet fse fs fcubbing fmpliment flush Fll Fone, Fye Fye!!! PK Heiko Recktenwald wrote: Fluxus homonyms Apparently if you say it with a rising tone it means "electricity" in Sino-French. You mean like the 4 ways to pronounce bah ? ? H.
Re: FLUXLIST: Anti Redundancy Team ART System
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Re: FLUXLIST: Anti Redundancy/Ubiquitous Farquar
In a message dated 05/07/2000 1:51:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: BTW, what is with all the surliness and one liners to newcomers and new ideas? sheeez. I guess you didn't see The Fight Club . . .
Re: FLUXLIST: Anti Redundancy/Ubiquitous Farquar
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 05/07/2000 1:51:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: BTW, what is with all the surliness and one liners to newcomers and new ideas? sheeez. I guess you didn't see The Fight Club . . . Dear Your Psychicness (translate, tres chic, also psychic) This was in my email this morning and was discussed yesterday with a friend yesterday.really...and no, I have't seen it (yet). I'll give you a call next week. Check out this URL - and rent the video! http://members.xoom.com/intrloper9/index.htm Whistling theme from the Twilight Zone Princess Petal
FLUXLIST: arts journal
in my email today: http://www.artsjournal.com/Arts%20beat.htm worth reading! PK
FLUXLIST: Fwd: Dick Higgins Book
If you know the answer, please email Barbara McCarren. Thanks. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 15:18:14 EDT Subject: Dick Higgins Book Hello, I have heard of a book by Dick Higgins from Something Else Press that is the story of a dinner party. Do you know the title and where one might look to purchase that book? Thank you. Barbara mcCarren
Re: FLUXLIST: Fwd: Dick Higgins Book
hello, to the best of my knowledge (and a brief flip thru the something else press bibliography) such a book does not exist. perhaps you are thinking of daniel spoerri's "an anecdoted topography of chance" which higgins published. it is available at art metropole ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). yours, dave Hello,I have heard of a book by Dick Higgins from Something Else Press that is the story of a dinner party. Do you know the title and where one might look to purchase that book?
Re: FLUXLIST: arts journal
http://www.artsjournal.com/Arts%20beat.htm worth reading! Why ? Because of the magic word "art" ? Could you explain ?
Re: FLUXLIST: arts journal
Heiko Recktenwald wrote: http://www.artsjournal.com/Arts%20beat.htm worth reading! Why ? Because of the magic word "art" ? Could you explain ? The worth is in the content and needs no explanation. Check it out. You've got to get out of that magicword mindthink, Heiko, (YOU are the magician, ; ) and on to the yellow brick road. Peformance: double click link above with mouse, repeating seven times, "I am the magician." read what you wish, if not enough magic does happen to pique your interest , "close your eyes, make a wish, hit delete." (ooops, I believe that was a quote...from "website unseen") kiss kiss, sparkle,sparkle clicking heels 3 times, PK
FLUXLIST: Daniel Spoerri Press Release
Emily Harvey GalleryPress Release 537 Broadway at Spring New York, NY 10012 Tel. 212 925-7651 Fax 212 966-0439 DANIEL SPOERRI: Le Cabinet Anatomique May 11th to June 10, 2000 Reception for artist: Wednesday, May 24th, 6:00-8:00 Exhibition Catalog Available Emily Harvey is proud to present a series of new works by Daniel Spoerri: assemblages for which Spoerri has found his starting point in a suite of original surgical lithographs from l839 by N.H. Jacob, a student of Jean-Louis David. He completes these exquisitely drawn illustrations with carefully overlaid objects. This group of works is the third (and currently final) part of a larger series entitled Le Cabinet Anatomique. Spoerri is an inveterate collector of the most curious expressions of human creativity, retrieving such objects, as he retrieved the original graphics to which he applied them, from Europe¹s various flea markets. The works are small in scale and display an eerie, jewel-like precision; and though the images are often cruel, they are presented with great equanimity. The exhibition is accompanied by an illustrated catalog on Le Cabinet Anatomique published by the Emily Harvey Gallery with a text by the art critic Otto Hahn, translated and introduced by Henry Martin. Born in Rumania in l930, Daniel Spoerri is one of our era¹s most versatile talents: in addition to being a visual artist, he has also been a dancer, choreographer and theater director, as well as the editor of a magazine of concrete poetry. He moved from Switzerland to Paris at the end of the l950s where he became connected with the group of the Nouveaux Réalistes: Yves Klein, Jean Tinguely, Arman and Martial Raysse. In l962, he also took part in the first Fluxus Festival of New Music, in Wiesbaden. In l968 he opened the Eat Art Gallery in Düsseldorf, which produced and presented edible works of art by contemporary artists. The l960s were the period of his first tableaux pièges or snare pictures, in which chance arrangements of objects, on tables or in drawers, were snared and fixed into permanent place exactly the artist found them. These works were followed by false snare pictures, in which the composition had been thoroughly planned, even while creating the impression of having been determined by chance. The notion of chance as a guiding principle of Spoerri¹s work was succinctly formulated by the little book which he published in l962, entitled La Topographie anecdotée du hasard (republished in l966 by The Something Else Press in the English translation of Emmett Williams as An Anecdoted Topography of Chance) in which he records all the objects found on the table of his Paris hotel room on October 17th, l961 at 4:17 p.m., also evoking the memories they subsequently brought back to him. Later phases of Spoerri¹s work were guided by mottoes or titles such as détrompe-l¹oeil (undeceiving the eye), pièges à mots (word traps), or pièges à hommes (man traps), all of which can be seen as variations on the snare picture, in the sense that the artist exacerbates the literal meanings of images to the point finally of derouting them into absurdity. Daniel Spoerri currently lives and works in Tuscany, Italy, on a farm in the town of Seggiano, where he is constructing a monumental sculpture garden that includes the work of many of his friends, in addition to his own. Daniel Spoerri will be present for a reception Wednesday, May 24. This occasion marks his first visit to the United States since l975. /blockquote/x-html
Re: FLUXLIST: Fluxus Pebble
Terrence writes; The Fable of the Fluxus Pebble... "...a my little fluxter, you will know only when you can take the Fluxus Pebble from my hand..." T. Rod Stasick wrote: --- allen bukoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The first rule of Fluxus is not to talk about Fluxus. I believe that is the second rule. The first rule you cannot even say. ummm, you don't say? (summarizing) r
Re: FLUXLIST: arts journal
Terrence writes; eww!!! cat fight! T. Patricia wrote: Heiko Recktenwald wrote: http://www.artsjournal.com/Arts%20beat.htm worth reading! Why ? Because of the magic word "art" ? Could you explain ? The worth is in the content and needs no explanation. Check it out. You've got to get out of that magicword mindthink, Heiko, (YOU are the magician, ; ) and on to the yellow brick road. Peformance: double click link above with mouse, repeating seven times, "I am the magician." read what you wish, if not enough magic does happen to pique your interest , "close your eyes, make a wish, hit delete." (ooops, I believe that was a quote...from "website unseen") kiss kiss, sparkle,sparkle clicking heels 3 times, PK
Re: FLUXLIST: arts journal
Patricia, I did take a look, and the thing on the 400,000-yr-old pigment finds was great. The range of color, that it was apparently used as body paint, the fact that painting predates the physical evolution of the species--all very interesting! Now I want pictures of the various colors-yellow, light red, dark red, pink, purple, black. Stylin! AK
Re: FLUXLIST: Fluxus Pebble
And only then will the little fluxter (fluxter??? I would think fluxer) achieve enlightenment? Or is the fable of the pebble feeble and peppered with handy parables? What is the sound of one pebble passing from the palm? I believe you have violated the second rule, below, even, and I have possibly violated the third rule, of the reply function. *gasp* Princess Petal Terrence J Kosick wrote: Terrence writes; The Fable of the Fluxus Pebble... "...a my little fluxter, you will know only when you can take the Fluxus Pebble from my hand..." T. Rod Stasick wrote: --- allen bukoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The first rule of Fluxus is not to talk about Fluxus. I believe that is the second rule. The first rule you cannot even say. ummm, you don't say? (summarizing) r
Re: FLUXLIST: arts journal
Prr, not so. I tend towards sarcasm, but I mean well. And I love the Wizard of Oz. I'm being silly, Heiko knows. Heiko, you are the best. So there T.!!! Me. Terrence J Kosick wrote: Terrence writes; eww!!! cat fight! T. Patricia wrote: Heiko Recktenwald wrote: http://www.artsjournal.com/Arts%20beat.htm worth reading! Why ? Because of the magic word "art" ? Could you explain ? The worth is in the content and needs no explanation. Check it out. You've got to get out of that magicword mindthink, Heiko, (YOU are the magician, ; ) and on to the yellow brick road. Peformance: double click link above with mouse, repeating seven times, "I am the magician." read what you wish, if not enough magic does happen to pique your interest , "close your eyes, make a wish, hit delete." (ooops, I believe that was a quote...from "website unseen") kiss kiss, sparkle,sparkle clicking heels 3 times, PK
