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But where does all the time go? Ho, Devon (and anyone else interested) I now have a new address it's - 17 Martello Mews Martello Rd Seaford E.Sussex BN25 1JT UK As I sit here writing this I am surrounded by boxes. Huge, brown, boxes full of yearsworth of stuff. Boxes all waiting to be unpacked. I do believe that many of them contain time. The time that I have saved during the year (whilst waiting for our new home to be ready) But how do I open them so that time does not escape? Or to put it another way - it is late and I am very tired and am beginning to make sense not even to myself... Roger A Mean Fish Smile is now available from the Amazon Bookshop http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0330392158/qid%3D960554895/thepoetr yzone If you are between 5 and 18 why not write a poem about something fishy and enter the Mean Fish Smile competition in The Poetry Zone http://www.poetryzone.ndirect.co.uk
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maybe you are afraid of what your work means. Let me assure you though that your work is brilliant and I like it a lot. If there's a hundred more where the pieces on the FFFOO website came from I'd be very interested to see them so for Pete's sake finish them! or maybe leave them unfinished in a state of permanent potential like Shubert's Unfinished Symphony finished by being unfinished like The Beatles Anthology finished and unfinished at the same time the eternal paradox the eternal question like being an art student like trying to get up to date with the Fluxlist well, I'm finished now and off to bed or am I?
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Sol What I want to do is work out a way of making sure I follow through on ideas immediately rather than just writing scrappy notes of what I'm going to do and then never doing it. I'm interested to know how others tackle this problem. Me too! my problem is that i'm scared, i think. 7 years of cognative therapy and i learned that at the point of "potential" success i break down. not how to prevent this though! i have several hundred unfinished pieces, unfinished so i dont know if there any good or not, i cant succeed but i cant fail. jist live in a frustrated state of limbo. And a full time job. I too would appreciate any help (and an aspirin) alan
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alan bowman wrote: Sol What I want to do is work out a way of making sure I follow through on ideas immediately rather than just writing scrappy notes of what I'm going to do and then never doing it. I'm interested to know how others tackle this problem. Me too! my problem is that i'm scared, i think. 7 years of cognative therapy and i learned that at the point of "potential" success i break down. not how to prevent this though! Sounds to me like you've internalized some myths about what a successful artist is i.e. they never have success during their lifetime, they never make any money and die in poverty, they work in secret underground all their life without gaining any acceptance from the establishment or from most of their peers, etc. etc. It IS difficlut to take credit and responsibilty for what you've brought into the world, maybe you are afraid of what your work means. Let me assure you though that your work is brilliant and I like it a lot. If there's a hundred more where the pieces on the FFFOO website came from I'd be very interested to see them so for Pete's sake finish them! Reed
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OK I love you patricia- Have I told you that lately? Anyway here is my address: Devon Paulson 2021 S. Alameda Ste. #5 Los Angeles Ca 90058 Thanx again disco From: Patricia Oh, post your address and be done with it. I have some free stamps. Use the extra bucks to take your girlfriend out to dinner. Make it a fluxus meal and let us know the menu, huh? Contrary to previous posts, you are not going to your grave, you are going to art school and you are bright, and you will control them, they will not control you. Good grief, PK _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
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Sol Nte wrote: Hi all, I know many of you work full-time at a job other than as an artist and yet still find the time to work to a significant degree as artists. Often for those of us interested in the avant-garde making a living from our artistic interests is not an option. Lately I seem to have got bogged down to a stage where I don't seem to have time to do as much as I would like. I'm wondering if anyone has any tips/advice about time management where art is concerned. Dear Sol, I've been thinking about how doing art is different from doing other things, how it should be different, etc. Finding the notion of "professional" applied to artmaking inappropriate, etc. I think that even if one has a day job one must give priority to the freedom of thought and action that doing art seems to impose. That is, sometimes one's day job suffers, must suffer. Regard the artmaking as your actual work and the day job as secondary. Take sick days. Think about artmaking at work. Let it rule your life, allow the gradual practice of freedom to infect your daily practices. Eventually you'll find yourself without a day job, of course, and needing to find a way to make a living that suits your artmaking. Now that's a goddamn artform. This isn't meant flippantly. I have indeed done this, several times over. AK
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At 09:14 p.m. 22/08/00 -0700, you wrote: hi fellows ! what i prefer ... dayjob in the afternoon-evening (if you don't have another alternative), *art-making* in the night and late night 'til 5a.m. or 7a.m. or ... , sleeping in the morning, letting the phone ringing ... you simply won't hear it, believe me ! just my two cents ... cheers, R.MUTT /// Tapeadores [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.dragonet.es/users/d3055/tap ///
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The clock that I used in my Timepiece photos. I photoed a clock everyday at 5:17 pm where ever I was. I actually have a book of stamps, so that's not the problem. But you kids are sweet, thanx. I scrapped enough money together to make five so I'll send those out tommarrow. By the weekend I should be able to get some money together. I am going to go to Santa Barbara with my girlfriend for the weekend as the last vacation thing I do for the next four years, so I wont post any thing until monmday- But I don't leave until friday. Disco From: Carol Star hi devon, congratulations on going to calarts,definitely the school of choice today. am i on thelist for your mailing? i don't remember if i sent my address. and i think patricia has a good idea, we could send stamps or money for your project. and what clock??? bye, c :) Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
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Oh, post your address and be done with it. I have some free stamps. Use the extra bucks to take your girlfriend out to dinner. Make it a fluxus meal and let us know the menu, huh? Contrary to previous posts, you are not going to your grave, you are going to art school and you are bright, and you will control them, they will not control you. Good grief, PK Devon Paulson wrote: The clock that I used in my Timepiece photos. I photoed a clock everyday at 5:17 pm where ever I was. I actually have a book of stamps, so that's not the problem. But you kids are sweet, thanx. I scrapped enough money together to make five so I'll send those out tommarrow. By the weekend I should be able to get some money together. I am going to go to Santa Barbara with my girlfriend for the weekend as the last vacation thing I do for the next four years, so I wont post any thing until monmday- But I don't leave until friday. Disco From: Carol Star hi devon, congratulations on going to calarts,definitely the school of choice today. am i on thelist for your mailing? i don't remember if i sent my address. and i think patricia has a good idea, we could send stamps or money for your project. and what clock??? bye, c :) Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
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From: "Sol Nte" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi all, What I want to do is work out a way of making sure I follow through on ideas immediately rather than just writing scrappy notes of what I'm going to do and then never doing it. I'm interested to know how others tackle this problem. Hi Sol. Once I read an interview by Richard Konstalenez(sp?) where he said something to the effect that the ideas you have not executed are just as important as the ones you did execute and that you should write them all down, which I found rather inspiring. So I've always managed to have some kind of project book around where I can sketch things out so I don't forget them. The trick is to just get yourself in the habit of writing them down immediately, instead of convincing you'll do it at the next commercial break, and also have a book big enough to properly sketch it out, but small enough to be handy. I like the idea of carrying a small sketch book of little tablet like detectives use on TV, but I never did actually use it. I got one now that is about the size of a novel, with a soft leather cover and is filled with graph paper, and its perfect. I spent most of last week at the hospital with a sick relative, and ended up sketching out a lot of projects that had been sitting around dissolving in my brain. Basically its maintaining a mild mixture discipline and handiness that gets me by. Alex Alex Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
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Terrence writes; adviso; buy time not realestate I am living /purchasing a city loft. I have to work extra hours to pay for living here. I've done little art since living here (for 10 months!) . My studio looks nice and there is art supplies here but the artitst is turning yuppie to survive. The deal closes today. If they dont meet my subjects ( - "superior soundproof party walls" yaa right!~ ) , I'll move to the country and buy time for my art instead of realestate. T. ArtNatural - art makes you live right Sol Nte wrote: Hi all, I know many of you work full-time at a job other than as an artist and yet still find the time to work to a significant degree as artists. Often for those of us interested in the avant-garde making a living from our artistic interests is not an option. Lately I seem to have got bogged down to a stage where I don't seem to have time to do as much as I would like. I'm wondering if anyone has any tips/advice about time management where art is concerned. What I want to do is work out a way of making sure I follow through on ideas immediately rather than just writing scrappy notes of what I'm going to do and then never doing it. I'm interested to know how others tackle this problem. Thanks in advance, Sol.
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Sol, I find making lists and then working through them helps. The important thing is not to take on too much at once. Be realistic: it must be manageable. First, think of absolutely everything you'd like to accomplish and make a list. Then prioritize, what's absolutely neccessary and and can be practicably done and what's just wishful thinking you'll never be able to accomplish. Then make a list of tasks by priority. I also have problems getting things done, I find that having realistic goals helps, then you can attack the work with a reasonable confidence it will get done. I'm never able to do everything on a list of tasks, but I do find this strategy helps to get somethings done, and some is a bigger number than none. My problem is after I've gone through a phase of working through a task list, I'm not sure where to start again. Hope this helps, Reed Sol Nte wrote: Hi all, I know many of you work full-time at a job other than as an artist and yet still find the time to work to a significant degree as artists. Often for those of us interested in the avant-garde making a living from our artistic interests is not an option. Lately I seem to have got bogged down to a stage where I don't seem to have time to do as much as I would like. I'm wondering if anyone has any tips/advice about time management where art is concerned. What I want to do is work out a way of making sure I follow through on ideas immediately rather than just writing scrappy notes of what I'm going to do and then never doing it. I'm interested to know how others tackle this problem. Thanks in advance, Sol.
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hi sol, during the years i worked outside the studio i found a way that kept my own work going. first i carried a sketchbook, still do, but the most important thing was that i always painted first. this was accomplished by rising between 4 and 5 am and going into my studio until about 8 or 8:30, (i was always late on the job). however it not only enabled me to keep the flow but it also made clear to me what my real priorities were. fortunately i don't require alot of sleep. later i learned that the yoga masters recommend beginning yoga at this early hour as the best for meditation. it is very good because it is so quiet, the phone doesn't ring and you get to watch the day begin.also you are freshfrom your dreams and have not interacted with anyone. after many years of this practice i still keep to this, generally rising before dawn, it just became a habit. have a good day, carol :) carol starr taos, new mexico, usa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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dear friends and colleagues we have the answer open a search engine, type 'time' what comes in pole position is the time you're looking for this should help best regards -- jean-philippe halgand - pavu.com director http://pavu.com -/ and the world grows bigger ! /- De : Reed Altemus [EMAIL PROTECTED] Répondre à : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date : Mon, 21 Aug 2000 23:24:07 -0500 À : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : Re: FLUXLIST: How to find Time Sol, I find making lists and then working through them helps. The important thing is not to take on too much at once. Be realistic: it must be manageable. First, think of absolutely everything you'd like to accomplish and make a list. Then prioritize, what's absolutely neccessary and and can be practicably done and what's just wishful thinking you'll never be able to accomplish. Then make a list of tasks by priority. I also have problems getting things done, I find that having realistic goals helps, then you can attack the work with a reasonable confidence it will get done. I'm never able to do everything on a list of tasks, but I do find this strategy helps to get somethings done, and some is a bigger number than none. My problem is after I've gone through a phase of working through a task list, I'm not sure where to start again. Hope this helps, Reed Sol Nte wrote: Hi all, I know many of you work full-time at a job other than as an artist and yet still find the time to work to a significant degree as artists. Often for those of us interested in the avant-garde making a living from our artistic interests is not an option. Lately I seem to have got bogged down to a stage where I don't seem to have time to do as much as I would like. I'm wondering if anyone has any tips/advice about time management where art is concerned. What I want to do is work out a way of making sure I follow through on ideas immediately rather than just writing scrappy notes of what I'm going to do and then never doing it. I'm interested to know how others tackle this problem. Thanks in advance, Sol.
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What I want to do is work out a way of making sure I follow through on ideas immediately rather than just writing scrappy notes of what I'm going to do and then never doing it. dear sol, i know exactly what you are talking about. i fill notebook after notebook with things (but often it is just one sentence or one word a page). and wonder when i will be able to realise some of these projects... on the other hand i find it useful to give my ideas some time (only some time later i can see if some are worth it or not). writing down ideas is good to free your mind. you have to ged rid of the idea (by writing it down) so your mid is free for the next one. if i keep too many ideas in my head there is no space for new ones. i also like to give some ideas away (to friends who can appreciate them) just to make room for new ones. on the other hand i know how frustrating it is when you have so much work that you rarely have time to read or time to execute any ideas. sorry, i haven't found any conclusion how to handle this problem - at the moment i'm quite happy with keeping notes and develop things in my head. all the best gabriel
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the fluxus-way-of-life: 9am to 5pm: social, constructive and good work, to earn your living 5pm to 10pm: propaganda for your own may of life among artists, collectors; fight against them 12pm to 8 am sleeping (8 hours are enough) (as told to tomas schmidt by george maciunas) sorry for the bad translation - has anybody the original english statement? cu all gabriel
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Greetings Gates, Squeezing the day for time is certainly a problem. I have found the most satisfactory results come from stealing time from one's job. I work for a New York publishing house. Possibly the lowest paying publisher in NY. However, what they lack in actual cash they make up for in slack. As long as the work they're paying me for gets done, my time is my own. Of course, I put my own needs before the publisher's, but I have an extremely bad attitude and probably shouldn't even be suggesting stealing an employer's time. But I do suggest it. I advocate it, in fact. Unless you work for a very good person or company, one that understands how you must live, you must steal all the time you can from your workaday job. Artists are very nearly worthless to most Americans (or so it seems to me). If we don't take time for ourselves when we can, no one will make a gift of it. Alas. I don't mean to sound unduly bitter (yes, she does! oh, what a lie!), but I've been slogging through grant applications all morning. (Ready for the ritual burning right about now, you betcha!) Also, being new to the list, I must say this Eric Anderson/ Ken Friedman situation would be very funny were it not so time consuming. I've always known Ken Friedman as a name to conjure with, but Eric Anderson? Could be from Jupiter for all I know. But boys will be boys, I suppose. If only these boys could be Beuys Kiss-Kiss Badgergirl -- From: "Sol Nte" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FLUXLIST: How to find Time Date: Tue, Aug 22, 2000, 9:48 AM Hi all, I know many of you work full-time at a job other than as an artist and yet still find the time to work to a significant degree as artists. Often for those of us interested in the avant-garde making a living from our artistic interests is not an option. Lately I seem to have got bogged down to a stage where I don't seem to have time to do as much as I would like. I'm wondering if anyone has any tips/advice about time management where art is concerned. What I want to do is work out a way of making sure I follow through on ideas immediately rather than just writing scrappy notes of what I'm going to do and then never doing it. I'm interested to know how others tackle this problem. Thanks in advance, Sol.
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'Lo. Squeeze the day!!! (sorry couldn't help it). I also do believe in stealing time, and thus work for a very small company where, I, like you, Meryl, do what is required, then opt out for art when the owner is in Italy or off in the big black Mercedes Benz, etc. There is an element of danger to this that adds to the adrenalin rush of creativity. I have found the post-it note flurry to be helpful. One can jot down any idea, wherever one is, then stick them all over a wall (preferably not at the day job, due to possible repurcussions or ensuing lack of employment). Even if the idea is incomplete, switching the notes around can add up to a brainstorming that produces those lightbulbs that spark over the head, or, an occasional lightning bolt. The journal or sketchbook is also helpful but the pi notes are good for the aforementioned half-idea, for surreptitious ideas and for ideas in heavy traffic demanding blind writing. I've also found group artists' meetings to be helpful in the past, depending upon the group, although I once belonged to an "artists' support group" which sounded like an apology, rather like artists anonymous. However, my main method for attacking what needs be done (especially in process oriented artwork) is an old time management concept called "the swiss cheese method," which involves assigning a specific amount of time - an hour, whatever. This often results in working past the allotted time period, and the accomplishment can be rewarded with shiny stars on one's calendar. I'm glad Sol brought this up, because my studio is a mess, my calendar lacks stars, and my post-it notes are turning brown. PK Also, being new to the list, I must say this Eric Anderson/ Ken Friedman situation would be very funny were it not so time consuming. I've always known Ken Friedman as a name to conjure with, but Eric Anderson? Could be from Jupiter for all I know. But boys will be boys, I suppose. If only these boys could be Beuys I believe his name is spelled Andersen, but Al Hansen, couldn't remember, either. http://www.ethnisme.com/ben-vautier/1998/ArtEtCulture/TheorieCulture/FluxusBullshit.html#Heading12 Best, PK-- From: "Sol Nte" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FLUXLIST: How to find Time Date: Tue, Aug 22, 2000, 9:48 AM Hi all, I know many of you work full-time at a job other than as an artist and yet still find the time to work to a significant degree as artists. Often for those of us interested in the avant-garde making a living from our artistic interests is not an option. Lately I seem to have got bogged down to a stage where I don't seem to have time to do as much as I would like. I'm wondering if anyone has any tips/advice about time management where art is concerned. What I want to do is work out a way of making sure I follow through on ideas immediately rather than just writing scrappy notes of what I'm going to do and then never doing it. I'm interested to know how others tackle this problem. Thanks in advance, Sol.
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I find that there is another problem for me. I am young, 24, and full of energy (or full of something). I can find time to do my projects but I run out of money. This explains why you all have not recieved your projects from me yet. I am putting together a multi media exhibition and am doing an installation- I used up all my money buying materials. I don't even have enough to make photocopies of the project to send to you all. But never fear as they will reach you all eventually. One day in the near future your project will begin, and not all at once. Please be patient for there are like 25 of you who want to play. Sorry as I was no help to you Sol. Disco Sol Nte wrote: Hi all, I know many of you work full-time at a job other than as an artist and yet still find the time to work to a significant degree as artists. Often for those of us interested in the avant-garde making a living from our artistic interests is not an option. Lately I seem to have got bogged down to a stage where I don't seem to have time to do as much as I would like. I'm wondering if anyone has any tips/advice about time management where art is concerned. What I want to do is work out a way of making sure I follow through on ideas immediately rather than just writing scrappy notes of what I'm going to do and then never doing it. I'm interested to know how others tackle this problem. Thanks in advance, Sol. Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
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I am going to be going to California Instatute of the Arts, affectionatly refered to as CalArts, this fall, so I will have nothing but time to do art. In fact, I am sure I'll be sick of it. I start in about three weeks and am getting more and more nervous. I think it's the money issue more than the work, I mean, I do art every day anyway. Did anybody go to CalArts? I'd like some inside info. disco From: "meryl" Artists are very nearly worthless to most Americans (or so it seems to me). If we don't take time for ourselves when we can, no one will make a gift of it. Alas. I don't mean to sound unduly bitter (yes, she does! oh, what a lie!), but I've been slogging through grant applications all morning. (Ready for the ritual burning right about now, you betcha!) Kiss-Kiss Badgergirl Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
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Devon, CalArts, well, it's a pretty prestigious school, and I see that Matthew Barney has been a visiting artist. But don't you let him influence you into crawling around on pipes on the ceiling in your underwear (or not), hear? Alas, I went to state universities, San Jose State and UC Santa Cruz. The former was inspirational and had very cool parties, well practically daily; the latter was merely beautiful with great printmaking facilities and stoned undergraduates rolling in the grass (the planted grass, the green stuff). Even so, I had a lot of financial aid, oh, and then there were the student loans. About the mailings - we could always send stamps and bits of funding, you know, for your mail project. Btw, where did you get that clock? I love it, it's very anthropomorphic, reminds me somehow of my world globe collection. Best, PK Devon Paulson wrote: I am going to be going to California Instatute of the Arts, affectionatly refered to as CalArts, this fall, so I will have nothing but time to do art. In fact, I am sure I'll be sick of it. I start in about three weeks and am getting more and more nervous. I think it's the money issue more than the work, I mean, I do art every day anyway. Did anybody go to CalArts? I'd like some inside info. disco From: "meryl" Artists are very nearly worthless to most Americans (or so it seems to me). If we don't take time for ourselves when we can, no one will make a gift of it. Alas. I don't mean to sound unduly bitter (yes, she does! oh, what a lie!), but I've been slogging through grant applications all morning. (Ready for the ritual burning right about now, you betcha!) Kiss-Kiss Badgergirl Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
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Something wierd happened there, I don't know if my last post went through. Anyway, the clock is from Target. I modified it though. I put metal pieces on for legs and wrapped them in wire and used "L" brackets for feet. From: Patricia Btw, where did you get that clock? I love it, it's very anthropomorphic, reminds me somehow of my world globe collection. Best, PK Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
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I went to Pratt Institute in Brooklyn. Long, long ago. When I graduated, Pratt was thinking about possibly buying A computer. A (as in singular) computer. I know a few people who went to CalArts but none who graduated (lack of funds, mostly). Most of the CalArts people I knew ended up staying in California and wound up in the (apparently very lucrative) animation business. They all loved CalArts, though, and spoke very highly of the instructors. This I can tell you for true: If an instructor with any sort of "reputation" or clout wants to throw you out, for god's sake let him/her do it! You'll be able to dine out on the experience for years. I nearly got thrown out of Pratt my first year by one of the big kahunas there. I rather double talked my way out of the situation and have lived to regret it ever since. So, go forth to CalArts brazen boy! Go forth and hit things, shake things, bang things till they break! They'll throw your ass out or offer you a fellowship. Either way, you win. Believe me, it'll be more fun than waving a dog's head on a stick at your grocer (which is more fun than you might think). Kiss-Kiss Badgergirl P.S. Andersen/Anderson-however it's spelled, he still sounds like a vindictive little man. Smells like a Napoleonic complex to me. -- From: "Devon Paulson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: How to find Time Date: Tue, Aug 22, 2000, 10:08 PM I am going to be going to California Instatute of the Arts, affectionatly refered to as CalArts, this fall, so I will have nothing but time to do art. In fact, I am sure I'll be sick of it. I start in about three weeks and am getting more and more nervous. I think it's the money issue more than the work, I mean, I do art every day anyway. Did anybody go to CalArts? I'd like some inside info. disco Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
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Terrrence writes; ahhaa! this is too funny@! T, ".pavu.com" wrote: dear friends and colleagues we have the answer open a search engine, type 'time' what comes in pole position is the time you're looking for this should help best regards -- jean-philippe halgand - pavu.com director http://pavu.com -/ and the world grows bigger ! /-
