RE: FLUXLIST: Something For Nothing
Regarding the foryhjcoming Fluxlist Nothing Album - As well as Lennon's Nutopian National Anthem that track by the Vapours - No sex, no drugs, no wine, no women No fun, no sin, no you, no wonder it's dark I guess, in view of other's comments, the book should be called Something - Because, although full of nothing it will be actually full of something masquerading as nothing - Or maybe, as an earlier commentator also said, Something for Nothing
Re: FLUXLIST: Physical stuff
Just as I was about to reply to this disucussion, a letter arrived from my mother with the following, appropriate to the matter at ahnd: My favorite idea for sorting out my apt. has always been to put a dumpster under the back + throw out EVERY THING IN IT. Have it carried away and then a ballon with basket holds fast by the deck railing and I step into it and float away Sophey (her cat). I work with mainly materilas all sizes found on the street and until almost five years ago had boo, record, object, foto etc collections going back from more or less a liftime. Then for various reasons in the last years have lost just abt everything I had a few thimes--each time I moved and began agin for a few years or less--the same thing--lose evrything, start again. When I moved this winter, I was in the hopstial and the friend who moved me left behind all my accumulated materilas and most of my work of the last two years. As an essay of mine has it Necessity is the Motherfucker of Invention--and am working away, finding as always plenty to work with directly intthe streets, making rubBEings and paintings using clay impressions and collages etc. The ways in which I have lost things but on the other hand has taught me to continually keep finding things with which to work. The essay is about a situation in which I was in where after all this time of working in and with the streets and street found materials I was confined ninety days--so had to learn to find materials in a rather barren environment. (It is also a lot about Mail Art, originally was in Japanese journal KAIRAN, now at my blogspot davidbaptistechirot blogspot.com alongg with a great deal of rubBeings, some paintings fotos and other writing--; also do a google search--) This was great for training the eye and hand and imagination to find things in what at first might appear a desert--and then carry that training back out into the outside world. One of the things that one misses about having as it were the archives of one's life is that in a sense one's material history is done away with. All that is there is really just onself at this moment--and whatver small bit of work one has in hand. The rest is inside oneself--no doubt to come out in some form--I think back to huge record, book , object etc collections have had over the years--and all I can say is glad I had so much pleasure from them while had them. I have no value judgement whatsoever on which is better--to have more or to have less--all I can say is I have been very fortunate in that I have been able to learn from circumstance that one continues to work no matter what. I think if working is what you do, whether there is clutter or emptiness, you will work--now, how is that for profundity!! Here is the last line from Faulkner's THE WILD PALMS: Between grief and nothing, I will take grief. and here a poem by the Bosnian poet Semesdin Mehmedinovic, trnalsted by Ammiel Alcalay, whom i heard read it last night at Woodland Pattern Book Center here in Milwaukee-- (Body on the Bridge) From an abondoned garge by the Museum of the Revolution we looked at windows on Grbavica when--from the river--voiices could be heard What's that? Nothing benjamin says they're changing a body on the bridge Twelve years have gone by and--for the first time-- I' thinking about that NOTHING (in itlaics in the text)--david-bc _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
Re: FLUXLIST: Physical stuff
Just as I was about to reply to this disucussion, a letter arrived from my mother with the following, appropriate to the matter at ahnd: My favorite idea for sorting out my apt. has always been to put a dumpster under the back + throw out EVERY THING IN IT. Have it carried away and then a ballon with basket holds fast by the deck railing and I step into it and float away Sophey (her cat). I work with mainly materilas all sizes found on the street and until almost five years ago had boo, record, object, foto etc collections going back from more or less a liftime. Then for various reasons in the last years have lost just abt everything I had a few thimes--each time I moved and began agin for a few years or less--the same thing--lose evrything, start again. When I moved this winter, I was in the hopstial and the friend who moved me left behind all my accumulated materilas and most of my work of the last two years. As an essay of mine has it Necessity is the Motherfucker of Invention--and am working away, finding as always plenty to work with directly intthe streets, making rubBEings and paintings using clay impressions and collages etc. The ways in which I have lost things but on the other hand has taught me to continually keep finding things with which to work. The essay is about a situation in which I was in where after all this time of working in and with the streets and street found materials I was confined ninety days--so had to learn to find materials in a rather barren environment. (It is also a lot about Mail Art, originally was in Japanese journal KAIRAN, now at my blogspot davidbaptistechirot blogspot.com alongg with a great deal of rubBeings, some paintings fotos and other writing--; also do a google search--) This was great for training the eye and hand and imagination to find things in what at first might appear a desert--and then carry that training back out into the outside world. One of the things that one misses about having as it were the archives of one's life is that in a sense one's material history is done away with. All that is there is really just onself at this moment--and whatver small bit of work one has in hand. The rest is inside oneself--no doubt to come out in some form--I think back to huge record, book , object etc collections have had over the years--and all I can say is glad I had so much pleasure from them while had them. I have no value judgement whatsoever on which is better--to have more or to have less--all I can say is I have been very fortunate in that I have been able to learn from circumstance that one continues to work no matter what. I think if working is what you do, whether there is clutter or emptiness, you will work--now, how is that for profundity!! Here is the last line from Faulkner's THE WILD PALMS: Between grief and nothing, I will take grief. and here a poem by the Bosnian poet Semesdin Mehmedinovic, trnalsted by Ammiel Alcalay, whom i heard read it last night at Woodland Pattern Book Center here in Milwaukee-- (Body on the Bridge) From an abandoned garge by the Museum of the Revolution we looked at windows on Grbavica when--from the river--voiices could be heard What's that? Nothing benjamin says they're changing a body on the bridge Twelve years have gone by and--for the first time-- I' thinking about that NOTHING (in itlaics in the text)--david-bc _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
Re: FLUXLIST: Physical stuff
Just as I was about to reply to this disucussion, a letter arrived from my mother with the following, appropriate to the matter at ahnd: My favorite idea for sorting out my apt. has always been to put a dumpster under the back + throw out EVERY THING IN IT. Have it carried away and then a ballon with basket holds fast by the deck railing and I step into it and float away Sophey (her cat). I work with mainly materilas all sizes found on the street and until almost five years ago had boo, record, object, foto etc collections going back from more or less a liftime. Then for various reasons in the last years have lost just abt everything I had a few thimes--each time I moved and began agin for a few years or less--the same thing--lose evrything, start again. When I moved this winter, I was in the hopstial and the friend who moved me left behind all my accumulated materilas and most of my work of the last two years. As an essay of mine has it Necessity is the Motherfucker of Invention--and am working away, finding as always plenty to work with directly intthe streets, making rubBEings and paintings using clay impressions and collages etc. The ways in which I have lost things but on the other hand has taught me to continually keep finding things with which to work. The essay is about a situation in which I was in where after all this time of working in and with the streets and street found materials I was confined ninety days--so had to learn to find materials in a rather barren environment. (It is also a lot about Mail Art, originally was in Japanese journal KAIRAN, now at my blogspot davidbaptistechirot blogspot.com alongg with a great deal of rubBeings, some paintings fotos and other writing--; also do a google search--) This was great for training the eye and hand and imagination to find things in what at first might appear a desert--and then carry that training back out into the outside world. One of the things that one misses about having as it were the archives of one's life is that in a sense one's material history is done away with. All that is there is really just onself at this moment--and whatver small bit of work one has in hand. The rest is inside oneself--no doubt to come out in some form--I think back to huge record, book , object etc collections have had over the years--and all I can say is glad I had so much pleasure from them while had them. I have no value judgement whatsoever on which is better--to have more or to have less--all I can say is I have been very fortunate in that I have been able to learn from circumstance that one continues to work no matter what. I think if working is what you do, whether there is clutter or emptiness, you will work--now, how is that for profundity!! Here is the last line from Faulkner's THE WILD PALMS: Between grief and nothing, I will take grief. and here a poem by the Bosnian poet Semesdin Mehmedinovic, trnalsted by Ammiel Alcalay, whom i heard read it last night at Woodland Pattern Book Center here in Milwaukee-- (Body on the Bridge) From an abondoned garge by the Museum of the Revolution we looked at windows on Grbavica when--from the river--voiices could be heard What's that? Nothing benjamin says they're changing a body on the bridge Twelve years have gone by and--for the first time-- I' thinking about that NOTHING (in itlaics in the text)--david-bc _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
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FLUXLIST: [self-employed sweet corn]
[self-employed sweet corn] retort sophisticate chromium resourcefully odds and ends surreptitiously earnings contemplative munchies Mongoloid sane analyses spidery parasol gm: pussyfoot contrariwise metaphorically sit-in catarrh turner sapphire breath hatred woken plank southerly fool enthuse snowshoe mischievous intellectual redeemer narcosis middle ear ferric automaton crabby boater rhombus scorpion laconic sill mockery steepness cg: smock flask estrangement comedienne lineal roomful condenser costly torpedo tat w prophetically sourdough necklace blonde warhead tweed whew apoplectic misspell expletive hearsay exquisitely tip-off campus reluctantly trundle bed wakeful
RE: FLUXLIST: Something and something well made at that
Cecil, Well at least you are half-right! Allan From: owner-FLUXLIST@scribble.com [mailto:owner-FLUXLIST@scribble.com] On Behalf Of Cecil Touchon Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 3:59 PM To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Something and something well made at that Allan, I know and you know and everybody knows what is worth hanging on a wall - there is no supposing to it. On some walls I am sure nothing whatsoever is the very best solution. On many walls millions of things are worth hanging on them. On a museum wall some things, on a bathroom wall other things or perhaps nothing. On an exterior wall shadows are always a good choice. There is no challenge for an artist to merely withdraw and put forward nothing as the solution for being the most worth it thing and defer to the architect. Why should more be added you ask? becuase many of the unworth it things hanging on walls everywhere should be removed making space for more of the right things. If there is too much that is not worthless enough to through away, then it is time for storage closets so that works can be rotated. Anything that stays in storage too long or never comes back out may not be worth hanging on a wall, at least not for you but who are you to say it isn't worth it for somebody else? If you are so luck to have a wall then you and no one else has the privilage to be in control of what to hang on it. None of us are in control of what you hang on your wall. That's up to you my friend. If you are afraid of making the wrong choice then you can submit proposals to the Department of Approval of the international post dogmatist group and they well give you approval for a small fee. cecil http://postdogmatist.com Allan Revich wrote: Cecil,How can you suppose to know what something worth hanging up on a wall is?Who put you (or anybody - not just you, but me, or Alan, or any of us) incharge of making the decision about what is worth looking at? Nothinglooks pretty good on many walls.I like the things on my walls. In all honesty I would feel honoured to havethe things that you make on my walls too. But that's not the point. I thinkit is much more challenging to think about nothing. The world has enoughstuff to go around. Why should I add more?Allan-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] OnBehalf Of Cecil TouchonSent: Friday, April 21, 2006 11:36 PMTo: FLUXLIST@scribble.comSubject: FLUXLIST: Something and something well made at thatI say, dear Alan, I haven't the foggiest notion as to what your talking about.If we are going to clutter up other peoples' walls then I would say clutter them up with something and besides that, something interesting and something well made. Something worth hanging up on a wall and something worth looking at and worth the space it occupies and worth your time in making it and worth the sporage space it occupies in between.Cecil,new collages on view at http://cecil.touchon.com alan bowman wrote: Have we not had nothing crop up on fluxlist before?Perhaps we are all jus good for nothingsbut...does the act of posting an email entitled 'nothing', even if the body of themail is empty, not constitute as something?i propose that we that we all make a concerted effort to forget nothing.only when it is truly forgotten by all of us will it be 'nothing'.
FLUXLIST: This is Nothing
This is Nothing Yesterday I was very busy I must have done something I was drinking and thinking and dizzy I went out and did nothing There has been a lot of talk About this and that and other things About whos walking the walk And whose flaming barb stings This was created and that was destroyed Things that mean nothing mean something to me And this ones upset at how that ones employed And this one is blind and that one can see All this nothing is quite something Or maybe this is nothing.
Re: FLUXLIST: This is Nothing
..."nothing is true, all things are permitted."Allan Revich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:This is NothingYesterday I was very busy I must have done something I was drinking and thinking and dizzy I went out and did nothingThere has been a lot of talk About this and that and other things About whoâs walking the walk And whose flaming barb stingsThis was created and that was destroyed Things that mean nothing mean something to me And this oneâs upset at how that oneâs employed And this one is blind and that one can seeAll this nothing is quite something Or maybe this is nothing. Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice.
Re: FLUXLIST: This is Nothing
jimsters grailsters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ..."nothing is true, all things are permitted."Allan Revich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:This is NothingYesterday I was very busy I must have done something I was drinking and thinking and dizzy I went out and did nothingThere has been a lot of talk About this and that and other things About whoâs walking the walk And whose flaming barb stingsThis was created and that was destroyed Things that mean nothing mean something to me And this oneâs upset at how that oneâs employed And this one is blind and that one can seeAll this nothing is quite something Or maybe this is nothing. Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2�/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1/min.
Re: FLUXLIST: no/thing
Hold on there a minute boys and girls! Aren't we veering awfully close to the Heart Sutra? No mouth, no eyes, no ears, no mindetc. ad nauseum. Or maybe I'm thinking of the Heart Sutre...cut along dotted line, insert flap here. BG - Original Message - From: Melissa McCarthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fluxlist@scribble.com Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 10:08 PM Subject: FLUXLIST: no/thing Wasn't there an old Art of Noise song that had lines like ...no wind, no rain, no sound ending with no Vember? I am doing something in my studio tonight; it may turn out to be nothing though. Nowhere. No warts No arts. No under. No wonder. No one. Just li'l ol' me, and maybe a tad too much alcohol Just maybe. xoMElissa Melissa McCarthy Hours: whimsical or by appointment Adult, maybe; grown-up, never! http://www.bonafideart.com
FLUXLIST: Nothing is better - Abu Yazid Al-Bistami
Nothing is better for a man than to be without anything, having no asceticism, no theory, no practice. When he is without everything, he is with everything. Abu Yazid Al-Bistami
Re: FLUXLIST: Something and something well made at that
Thanks! That's better than half-wrong I suppose. Although I am not sure which half your talking about. Cecil Allan Revich wrote: Cecil, Well at least you are half-right! Allan From: owner-FLUXLIST@scribble.com [mailto:owner-FLUXLIST@scribble.com] On Behalf Of Cecil Touchon Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 3:59 PM To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Something and something well made at that Allan, I know and you know and everybody knows what is worth hanging on a wall - there is no supposing to it. On some walls I am sure nothing whatsoever is the very best solution. On many walls millions of things are worth hanging on them. On a museum wall some things, on a bathroom wall other things or perhaps nothing. On an exterior wall shadows are always a good choice. There is no challenge for an artist to merely withdraw and put forward nothing as the solution for being the most worth it thing and defer to the architect. Why should more be added you ask? becuase many of the unworth it things hanging on walls everywhere should be removed making space for more of the right things. If there is too much that is not worthless enough to through away, then it is time for storage closets so that works can be rotated. Anything that stays in storage too long or never comes back out may not be worth hanging on a wall, at least not for you but who are you to say it isn't worth it for somebody else? If you are so luck to have a wall then you and no one else has the privilage to be in control of what to hang on it. None of us are in control of what you hang on your wall. That's up to you my friend. If you are afraid of making the wrong choice then you can submit proposals to the Department of Approval of the international post dogmatist group and they well give you approval for a small fee. cecil http://postdogmatist.com Allan Revich wrote: Cecil, How can you suppose to know what "something worth hanging up on a wall" is? Who put you (or anybody - not just you, but me, or Alan, or any of us) in charge of making the decision about what is "worth looking at"? Nothing looks pretty good on many walls. I like the things on my walls. In all honesty I would feel honoured to have the things that you make on my walls too. But that's not the point. I think it is much more challenging to think about nothing. The world has enough stuff to go around. Why should I add more? Allan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Cecil Touchon Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 11:36 PM To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com Subject: FLUXLIST: Something and something well made at that I say, dear Alan, I haven't the foggiest notion as to what your talking about. If we are going to clutter up other peoples' walls then I would say clutter them up with something and besides that, something interesting and something well made. Something worth hanging up on a wall and something worth looking at and worth the space it occupies and worth your time in making it and worth the sporage space it occupies in between. Cecil, new collages on view at http://cecil.touchon.com alan bowman wrote: Have we not had nothing crop up on fluxlist before? Perhaps we are all jus good for nothings but... does the act of posting an email entitled 'nothing', even if the body of the mail is empty, not constitute as something? i propose that we that we all make a concerted effort to forget nothing. only when it is truly forgotten by all of us will it be 'nothing'.
Fwd: FLUXLIST: Nothing and then some .......
nice photos! Begin forwarded message: From: Ray Noman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: May 2, 2004 5:27:37 AM EDT To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com, Bron Fionnachd-Fein [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Nothing and then some ... Reply-To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com OMG ... Went to DOGPILE – and I was under the illusion that there was only Google so I’m learning something – and found this: “We start, then, with nothing, pure zero. But this is not the nothing of negation. For not means other than, and other is merely a synonym of the ordinal numeral second. As such it implies a first; while the present pure zero is prior to every first. The nothing of negation is the nothing of death, which comes second to, or after, everything. But this pure zero is the nothing of not having been born. There is no individual thing, no compulsion, outward nor inward, no law. It is the germinal nothing, in which the whole universe is involved or foreshadowed. As such, it is absolutely undefined and unlimited possibility -- boundless possibility. There is no compulsion and no law. It is boundless freedom.” Charles S. Peirce, Logic of Events (1898) Then I did a random Google image search and found these: ? http://www.ae.gatech.edu/research/controls/pictures/f020801_gtar/ More%20of%20Nothing.JPG ? http://www.bangmoney.org/travel/ga_to_ca_move/grfx/folder1/ nothing.jpg All of which kind of suggests that there is quite a bit to nothing and it also seems that’s been know for some time. So I think DA’s explanation – 42 – is more comprehendible albeit that all this is quite interesting. Ray _from way out on the edge eMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (when the server’s up) BTW ... I did get the JPEG! On 2/5/04 5:22 PM, michael leigh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --Ooops! It seems one cannot send jpegs or even html via the Fluxlist so you did not get to see the diagram of nothing which seems very fitting under the circumstances - sending nothing and finding out nothing never arrived! But if you are keen to see a diagram of nothing I suggest you go to DOGPILE and type in nothing and several thousand images of nothing pop up - one of which is the diagram of nothing in a discourse about the beginning of the universe. All the best, Michael - Ray Noman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think this is all quite ZENzing if not FLUXUS and I1m contemplating using that scientific drawing/diagram for a logo for something Zz. BUT, I also think that in the end this discourse about nothingness, or somethingness, or whatever, well maybe Douglas Adams probably had an (the?) answer which I struggle to recall . Was it ‘421 or is it now another number like ‘01 or ‘11 or a whole string of 0s 1s? Somethingness is just so hard to avoid, and as for nothingness, well it is equally difficult to embrace. Then again, when I didn1t go to the meeting it was quite OK doing nothing rather than something instead. Quite silly really! Ray _from way out on the edge eMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (when the server1s up) Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly...Ping your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html
Fwd redux: FLUXLIST: FW: A bit about nothing
Begin forwarded message: From: Ray Noman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: May 9, 2004 11:54:34 AM EDT To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com Subject: FLUXLIST: FW: A bit about nothing Reply-To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com Well I’ve been playing with nothing and getting nowhere much as one might expect. If you go here http://www.sillyweek.com/NOTHING.html its probably worth clicking on everything ... then again maybe not! involuntary relocation: http://www.kforer.com/hide/ NothingfromELSEWHERE.9.jpg Ray _from way out on the edge eMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (when the server’s up)
Re: Fwd redux: FLUXLIST: FW: A bit about nothing
http://www.kforer.com/hide/NothingfromELSEWHERE.9.jpg 22miles by Ray Norman
