[fonc] I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn
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Re: [fonc] I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn
Oops. Too many check boxes to uncheck. Sorry. On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 7:15 AM, John Carlson yottz...@gmail.com wrote: [image: LinkedIn] http://www.linkedin.com/blink?simpleRedirect=1QsSlRpRZBt6BSrCAZqSkCrStLr2RBt6BSrCAJt7dBtmsJr6RBfmtKqmJzon9Q9D1JrzRQ9CAObnwPdmgOqj1FbmEVoThUr2QZpjYOtyZBbSRLoOVKqmhBqSVFr2VTtTsLbPFMt7hEmsgID=I7975422282_1markAsRead= John Carlson yottz...@gmail.com Sioux City, Iowa Area Hi Fundamentals, I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn. - John Confirm that you know John http://www.linkedin.com/blink?simpleRedirect=3wQdzkVcj4VdjkSejsTe30OejkZh4BKrSBQonhFtCVF9AwTcjBEqnh9fnBBiShBsC5EsOpQsSlRpRZBt6BSrCAZqSkConhzbmlQqnpKqiRQsSlRpORIrmkZpSVFqSdxsDgCpnhFtCV9pSlipn9Mfm4Cqj8Ju3cRp39Fc6AJqzBzt7xIbjRBfP9SbSkLrmZzbCVFp6lHrCBIbDtTtOYLeDdMt7hEmsgID=I7975422282_1markAsRead= Other people you may know on LinkedIn [image: Colin Putney] http://www.linkedin.com/blink?simpleRedirect=t7dBtmtvpnhFtCVFfmJB9CZQrSxMbmJJun0JpnhFtCVFbnhPpnlDbmNJpjRDrCBHoS5Ot2pBsDlzpncJpmNFpCZOs70Js7lKpSBPbmhIrScJpSlOfm4Cqj8Ju3cRp39Fc6AJqzBzt7xIbjRBfP9SbSkLrmZzbCVFp6lHrCBIbDtTtOYLeDdMt7hEmsgID=I7975422282_1markAsRead= Colin Putney http://www.linkedin.com/blink?simpleRedirect=7hPpnlDnSlQqnpKqjRHpipBrm5KbmJJun0JpnhFtCVFbnhPpnlDbmNJpjRDrCBHoS5Ot2pBsDlzpncJpmNFpCZOs70Js7lKpSBPbmhIrScJpSlOfm4Cqj8Ju3cRp39Fc6AJqzBzt7xIbjRBfP9SbSkLrmZzbCVFp6lHrCBIbDtTtOYLeDdMt7hEmsgID=I7975422282_1markAsRead= CTO at BetterCompany [image: Francisco Garau] http://www.linkedin.com/blink?simpleRedirect=t7dBtmtvpnhFtCVFfmJB9CZQrSxMbmJJun0JpnhFtCVFbnhPpnlDbmNJpjRDrCBHoS5Ot2pBsDlzpncJpmNFpCZOs70Js7lKpSBPbmhIrScJpSlOfm4Cqj8Ju3cRp39Fc6AJqzBzt7xIbjRBfP9SbSkLrmZzbCVFp6lHrCBIbDtTtOYLeDdMt7hEmsgID=I7975422282_1markAsRead= Francisco Garau http://www.linkedin.com/blink?simpleRedirect=7hPpnlDnSlQqnpKqjRHpipBrm5KbmJJun0JpnhFtCVFbnhPpnlDbmNJpjRDrCBHoS5Ot2pBsDlzpncJpmNFpCZOs70Js7lKpSBPbmhIrScJpSlOfm4Cqj8Ju3cRp39Fc6AJqzBzt7xIbjRBfP9SbSkLrmZzbCVFp6lHrCBIbDtTtOYLeDdMt7hEmsgID=I7975422282_1markAsRead= Software Developer at JP Morgan [image: Alessandro Warth] http://www.linkedin.com/blink?simpleRedirect=t7dBtmtvpnhFtCVFfmJB9CZQrSxMbmJJun0JpnhFtCVFbnhPpnlDbmNJpjRDrCBHoS5Ot2pBsDlzpncJpmNFpCZOs70Js7lKpSBPbmhIrScJpSlOfm4Cqj8Ju3cRp39Fc6AJqzBzt7xIbjRBfP9SbSkLrmZzbCVFp6lHrCBIbDtTtOYLeDdMt7hEmsgID=I7975422282_1markAsRead= Alessandro Warth http://www.linkedin.com/blink?simpleRedirect=7hPpnlDnSlQqnpKqjRHpipBrm5KbmJJun0JpnhFtCVFbnhPpnlDbmNJpjRDrCBHoS5Ot2pBsDlzpncJpmNFpCZOs70Js7lKpSBPbmhIrScJpSlOfm4Cqj8Ju3cRp39Fc6AJqzBzt7xIbjRBfP9SbSkLrmZzbCVFp6lHrCBIbDtTtOYLeDdMt7hEmsgID=I7975422282_1markAsRead= Principal Investigator, Communications Design Group You received an invitation to connect. LinkedIn will use your email address to make suggestions to our members in features like People You May Know. Unsubscribe http://www.linkedin.com/blink?simpleRedirect=1DsCZ5cylFsD1Sc3gBoSVLpzRIqm5JpipEqSZLon1Mr71ysn1GoPgZp6Bx9z4Sc30OfmhF9z4JfmhFripFcyRUcPlAcCAMqiRGemdQu6MJfmhFpipQsSlRpRZBt6BSrCAZqSkCkjoPp4l7q5p6sCR6kk4ZrClHrRhAqmQCsSVRfngCqj8Ju3cRp39Fc6AJqzBzt7xIbjRBfP9SbSkLrmZzbCVFp6lHrCBIbDtTtOYLeDdMt7hEmsgID=I7975422282_1markAsRead= This email was intended for Fundamentals Computing. Learn why we included this. http://www.linkedin.com/blink?simpleRedirect=e3wTd3RAimlIoSBQsC4Ct7dBtmtvpnhFtCVFfmJB9CNOlmlzqnpOpldOpmRLt7dRoPRx9CAObnwPdmgOqj1FbmEVoThUr2QZpjYOtyZBbSRLoOVKqmhBqSVFr2VTtTsLbPFMt7hEmsgID=I7975422282_1markAsRead= If you need assistance or have questions, please contact LinkedIn Customer Service http://www.linkedin.com/blink?simpleRedirect=t7dBtmtvpnhFtCVFfmJB9CNOlmlzqnpOpldOpmRLt7dRoPRx9CAObnwPdmgOqj1FbmEVoThUr2QZpjYOtyZBbSRLoOVKqmhBqSVFr2VTtTsLbPFMt7hEmsgID=I7975422282_1markAsRead= . © 2014, LinkedIn Corporation. 2029 Stierlin Ct. Mountain View, CA 94043, USA ___ fonc mailing list fonc@vpri.org http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc ___ fonc mailing list fonc@vpri.org http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc
Re: [fonc] Stephen Wolfram on the Wolfram Language
On 9/24/2014 6:39 PM, David Leibs wrote: I think Stephen is misrepresenting the Wolfram Language when he says it is a big language. He is really talking about the built in library which is indeed huge. The language proper is actually simple, powerful, and lispy. -David I think it is partly size along two axes: core features built into the language core and the languages' core syntax; features that can be built on top of the language via library features and extensibility mechanisms. a lot of mainstream languages have tended to be bigger in terms of built-in features and basic syntax (ex: C++ and C#); a lot of other languages have had more in terms of extensibility features, with less distinction between library code and the core language. of course, if a language generally has neither, it tends to be regarded as a toy language. more so if the implementation lacks sufficient scalability to allow implementing a reasonable sized set of library facilities (say, for example, if it always loads from source and there is a relatively high overhead for loaded code). sometimes, it isn't so clear cut as apparent complexity==implementation complexity. for example, a more complex-looking language could reduce down somewhat with a simpler underlying architecture (say, the language is itself largely syntax sugar); OTOH, a simple looking language could actually have a somewhat more complicated implementation (say, because a lot of complex analysis and internal machinery is needed to make it work acceptably). in many cases, the way things are represented in the high-level language vs nearer the underlying implementation may be somewhat different, so the representational complexity may be being reduced at one point and expanded at another. another related factor I have seen is whether the library API design focuses more on core abstractions and building things from these, or focuses more on a large number of specific use-cases. for example, Java having classes for nearly each and every way they could think up that a person might want to read/write a file, as opposed to, say, a more generic multipurpose IO interface. generally, complexity has tended to be less of an issue than utility and performance though. for most things, it is preferable to have a more useful language if albeit at the cost of a more complex compiler, at least up until a point where the added complexity outweighs any marginal gains in utility or performance. where is this point exactly? it is subject to debate. On Sep 24, 2014, at 3:32 PM, Reuben Thomas r...@sc3d.org mailto:r...@sc3d.org wrote: On 24 September 2014 23:20, Tim Olson tim_ol...@att.net mailto:tim_ol...@att.net wrote: Interesting talk by Stephen Wolfram at the Strange Loop conference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjCWdsrVcBM He goes in the direction of creating a big language, rather than a small kernel that can be built upon, like Smalltalk, Maru, etc. Smalltalk and Maru are rather different: Ian Piumarta would argue, I suspect, that the distinction between small and large languages is an artificial one imposed by most languages' inability to change their syntax. Smalltalk can't, but Maru can. Here we see Ian making Maru understand Smalltalk, ASCII state diagrams, and other things: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGeN2IC7N0Q That's the sort of small kernel you could build Wolfram on. Racket is a production-quality example of the same thing: http://racket-lang.org http://racket-lang.org/ -- http://rrt.sc3d.org http://rrt.sc3d.org/ ___ fonc mailing list fonc@vpri.org mailto:fonc@vpri.org http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc ___ fonc mailing list fonc@vpri.org http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc ___ fonc mailing list fonc@vpri.org http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc
Re: [fonc] Stephen Wolfram on the Wolfram Language
One issue which will be interesting for the Wolfram language is whether it evolves or stagnates across the years and decades. Would language features be allowed, if they disrupt some of the vast library? For example, Java can still be regarded as two languages: one that's thread-safe and one that's not. Would the library maintain backwards-compatibility for deprecated, obsolete features? Will the language fragment into mutually-incompatible subsets? Regards, Chris ___ fonc mailing list fonc@vpri.org http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc
Re: [fonc] I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn
No worries On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 10:28 PM, John Carlson yottz...@gmail.com wrote: Oops. Too many check boxes to uncheck. Sorry. On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 7:15 AM, John Carlson yottz...@gmail.com wrote: [image: LinkedIn] http://www.linkedin.com/blink?simpleRedirect=1QsSlRpRZBt6BSrCAZqSkCrStLr2RBt6BSrCAJt7dBtmsJr6RBfmtKqmJzon9Q9D1JrzRQ9CAObnwPdmgOqj1FbmEVoThUr2QZpjYOtyZBbSRLoOVKqmhBqSVFr2VTtTsLbPFMt7hEmsgID=I7975422282_1markAsRead= John Carlson yottz...@gmail.com Sioux City, Iowa Area Hi Fundamentals, I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn. - John Confirm that you know John http://www.linkedin.com/blink?simpleRedirect=3wQdzkVcj4VdjkSejsTe30OejkZh4BKrSBQonhFtCVF9AwTcjBEqnh9fnBBiShBsC5EsOpQsSlRpRZBt6BSrCAZqSkConhzbmlQqnpKqiRQsSlRpORIrmkZpSVFqSdxsDgCpnhFtCV9pSlipn9Mfm4Cqj8Ju3cRp39Fc6AJqzBzt7xIbjRBfP9SbSkLrmZzbCVFp6lHrCBIbDtTtOYLeDdMt7hEmsgID=I7975422282_1markAsRead= Other people you may know on LinkedIn [image: Colin Putney] http://www.linkedin.com/blink?simpleRedirect=t7dBtmtvpnhFtCVFfmJB9CZQrSxMbmJJun0JpnhFtCVFbnhPpnlDbmNJpjRDrCBHoS5Ot2pBsDlzpncJpmNFpCZOs70Js7lKpSBPbmhIrScJpSlOfm4Cqj8Ju3cRp39Fc6AJqzBzt7xIbjRBfP9SbSkLrmZzbCVFp6lHrCBIbDtTtOYLeDdMt7hEmsgID=I7975422282_1markAsRead= Colin Putney http://www.linkedin.com/blink?simpleRedirect=7hPpnlDnSlQqnpKqjRHpipBrm5KbmJJun0JpnhFtCVFbnhPpnlDbmNJpjRDrCBHoS5Ot2pBsDlzpncJpmNFpCZOs70Js7lKpSBPbmhIrScJpSlOfm4Cqj8Ju3cRp39Fc6AJqzBzt7xIbjRBfP9SbSkLrmZzbCVFp6lHrCBIbDtTtOYLeDdMt7hEmsgID=I7975422282_1markAsRead= CTO at BetterCompany [image: Francisco Garau] http://www.linkedin.com/blink?simpleRedirect=t7dBtmtvpnhFtCVFfmJB9CZQrSxMbmJJun0JpnhFtCVFbnhPpnlDbmNJpjRDrCBHoS5Ot2pBsDlzpncJpmNFpCZOs70Js7lKpSBPbmhIrScJpSlOfm4Cqj8Ju3cRp39Fc6AJqzBzt7xIbjRBfP9SbSkLrmZzbCVFp6lHrCBIbDtTtOYLeDdMt7hEmsgID=I7975422282_1markAsRead= Francisco Garau http://www.linkedin.com/blink?simpleRedirect=7hPpnlDnSlQqnpKqjRHpipBrm5KbmJJun0JpnhFtCVFbnhPpnlDbmNJpjRDrCBHoS5Ot2pBsDlzpncJpmNFpCZOs70Js7lKpSBPbmhIrScJpSlOfm4Cqj8Ju3cRp39Fc6AJqzBzt7xIbjRBfP9SbSkLrmZzbCVFp6lHrCBIbDtTtOYLeDdMt7hEmsgID=I7975422282_1markAsRead= Software Developer at JP Morgan [image: Alessandro Warth] http://www.linkedin.com/blink?simpleRedirect=t7dBtmtvpnhFtCVFfmJB9CZQrSxMbmJJun0JpnhFtCVFbnhPpnlDbmNJpjRDrCBHoS5Ot2pBsDlzpncJpmNFpCZOs70Js7lKpSBPbmhIrScJpSlOfm4Cqj8Ju3cRp39Fc6AJqzBzt7xIbjRBfP9SbSkLrmZzbCVFp6lHrCBIbDtTtOYLeDdMt7hEmsgID=I7975422282_1markAsRead= Alessandro Warth http://www.linkedin.com/blink?simpleRedirect=7hPpnlDnSlQqnpKqjRHpipBrm5KbmJJun0JpnhFtCVFbnhPpnlDbmNJpjRDrCBHoS5Ot2pBsDlzpncJpmNFpCZOs70Js7lKpSBPbmhIrScJpSlOfm4Cqj8Ju3cRp39Fc6AJqzBzt7xIbjRBfP9SbSkLrmZzbCVFp6lHrCBIbDtTtOYLeDdMt7hEmsgID=I7975422282_1markAsRead= Principal Investigator, Communications Design Group You received an invitation to connect. LinkedIn will use your email address to make suggestions to our members in features like People You May Know. Unsubscribe http://www.linkedin.com/blink?simpleRedirect=1DsCZ5cylFsD1Sc3gBoSVLpzRIqm5JpipEqSZLon1Mr71ysn1GoPgZp6Bx9z4Sc30OfmhF9z4JfmhFripFcyRUcPlAcCAMqiRGemdQu6MJfmhFpipQsSlRpRZBt6BSrCAZqSkCkjoPp4l7q5p6sCR6kk4ZrClHrRhAqmQCsSVRfngCqj8Ju3cRp39Fc6AJqzBzt7xIbjRBfP9SbSkLrmZzbCVFp6lHrCBIbDtTtOYLeDdMt7hEmsgID=I7975422282_1markAsRead= This email was intended for Fundamentals Computing. Learn why we included this. http://www.linkedin.com/blink?simpleRedirect=e3wTd3RAimlIoSBQsC4Ct7dBtmtvpnhFtCVFfmJB9CNOlmlzqnpOpldOpmRLt7dRoPRx9CAObnwPdmgOqj1FbmEVoThUr2QZpjYOtyZBbSRLoOVKqmhBqSVFr2VTtTsLbPFMt7hEmsgID=I7975422282_1markAsRead= If you need assistance or have questions, please contact LinkedIn Customer Service http://www.linkedin.com/blink?simpleRedirect=t7dBtmtvpnhFtCVFfmJB9CNOlmlzqnpOpldOpmRLt7dRoPRx9CAObnwPdmgOqj1FbmEVoThUr2QZpjYOtyZBbSRLoOVKqmhBqSVFr2VTtTsLbPFMt7hEmsgID=I7975422282_1markAsRead= . © 2014, LinkedIn Corporation. 2029 Stierlin Ct. Mountain View, CA 94043, USA ___ fonc mailing list fonc@vpri.org http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc ___ fonc mailing list fonc@vpri.org http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc ___ fonc mailing list fonc@vpri.org http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc
