[Foundation-l] Elections in the pontic wikipedia
The pontic wikipedia (which has been approved but it hasn't been created yet) is running elections to vote its admins and bureaucrats. This is done as a preparation for our creation, in order to be ready for the moment when we can finally start for real. Everyone who would like to vote is welcome to do so. The vote page is http://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/pnt/%CE%92%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%B9%CF%80%CE%B1%CE%AF%CE%B4%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1:%CE%91%CE%B4%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%AC_%CF%88%CE%B7%CF%86%CE%AF%CE%B6%CE%BF%CE%BC%CE%B5%CE%BD_%CE%B3%CE%B9%CE%B1_%CE%BD%CE%BF%CE%BC%CE%B1%CF%84%CE%AC%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%82 Best wishes, ZaDiak ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Elections in the pontic wikipedia
This indeed. Good for them for dealing with these issues in advance rather than waiting until the need for a crat is critical. -Dan On Jan 27, 2009, at 1:03 PM, Muhammad Alsebaey wrote: +1 on them having their own crat and admins since they were approved, what possible harm could that have? they can always self-correct as the community gets bigger is the choices are not optimum. On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 8:13 AM, Philippe|Wiki philippe.w...@gmail.com wrote: While we can always learn from best practices, I firmly believe it's best to leave local governance to local communities. If they want to have admins and crats, and have set up an election system with appropriate controls and a system of checks and balances, good for them. __ Philippe|Wiki philippe.w...@gmail.com [[en:User:Philippe]] On Jan 27, 2009, at 9:38 AM, Huib Laurens wrote: Hello, why should a wiki have a bureaucrat before it is created? A lot of small wikis doesn't have a crat and stewards will do the job. The same for admins, why not keep the test admins. I don't see why it is important to have admins before a wiki is created or has a comnunety. Best regards, -- Leave nothing but footprints, take nothing but pictures http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:SterkeBak ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/ foundation-l -- Best Regards, Muhammad Alsebaey ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Elections in the pontic wikipedia
Hello, The previous week, we the pontic wikipedia community arranged a meeting in our channel in IRC chat. There we thought that we should make elections in order to be prepared for the creation of the wiki and so we decided who would be the candidates for administrators and that we should also have a buro because we wanted to handle our issues on our own so we decided our candidate for bureacracy as well. P.S. As I saw that there has been a misunderstanding in what I said before we will ask for nomination AFTER the wiki will be created. Best wishes, ZaDiak 2009/1/27 Zaharias Diakonikolaou zadiak1...@gmail.com The pontic wikipedia (which has been approved but it hasn't been created yet) is running elections to vote its admins and bureaucrats. This is done as a preparation for our creation, in order to be ready for the moment when we can finally start for real. Everyone who would like to vote is welcome to do so. The vote page is http://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/pnt/%CE%92%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%B9%CF%80%CE%B1%CE%AF%CE%B4%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1:%CE%91%CE%B4%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%AC_%CF%88%CE%B7%CF%86%CE%AF%CE%B6%CE%BF%CE%BC%CE%B5%CE%BD_%CE%B3%CE%B9%CE%B1_%CE%BD%CE%BF%CE%BC%CE%B1%CF%84%CE%AC%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%82 Best wishes, ZaDiak ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Elections in the pontic wikipedia
Sorry, I only later saw that the pontic Wikipedia is still not created. It would be not good to have non created Wikipedias in the list of Tell Us. Kind regards Ziko 2009/1/27 Zaharias Diakonikolaou zadiak1...@gmail.com Hello, The previous week, we the pontic wikipedia community arranged a meeting in our channel in IRC chat. There we thought that we should make elections in order to be prepared for the creation of the wiki and so we decided who would be the candidates for administrators and that we should also have a buro because we wanted to handle our issues on our own so we decided our candidate for bureacracy as well. P.S. As I saw that there has been a misunderstanding in what I said before we will ask for nomination AFTER the wiki will be created. Best wishes, ZaDiak 2009/1/27 Zaharias Diakonikolaou zadiak1...@gmail.com The pontic wikipedia (which has been approved but it hasn't been created yet) is running elections to vote its admins and bureaucrats. This is done as a preparation for our creation, in order to be ready for the moment when we can finally start for real. Everyone who would like to vote is welcome to do so. The vote page is http://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/pnt/%CE%92%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%B9%CF%80%CE%B1%CE%AF%CE%B4%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1:%CE%91%CE%B4%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%AC_%CF%88%CE%B7%CF%86%CE%AF%CE%B6%CE%BF%CE%BC%CE%B5%CE%BD_%CE%B3%CE%B9%CE%B1_%CE%BD%CE%BF%CE%BC%CE%B1%CF%84%CE%AC%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%82 Best wishes, ZaDiak ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Ziko van Dijk NL-Silvolde ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Commons and The Year of the Picture
Sam Johnston wrote: Gerard Meijssen wrote: If you are of the opinion that things can be done differently, please explain how. A printer makes money, that is how he earns his crust. So how would non-profit printing work. Does it exist ? You are also under the impression that we are meeting our targets.. What do you know of the financial position of the French chapter and what do you know of its ambitions ? However you cut it this is advertising pure and simple. Yes it's buried behind a convenience function and I have no doubt the French chapter are doing all manner of interesting and constructive things, but who's to decide what is and what is not appropriate? If it's such a good idea, why is it not deployed centrally (with appropriate policies) so all chapters can take advantage of it (safely)? Obviously, it's up to the French chapter to make it's own decisions in accordance with French law. ExpectinSpecial:Booksourceswg some kind of central decision about this kind of thing is a good way to make sure that nothing ever gets done. If they make a little money while they're at it so much the better; there is no need for an ultra-ideological stance about advertising in this. Anyway how WMF interacts with its chapters is not the conversation I joined the list to contribute to so I'll leave it to you guys to nut it out between yourselves. Just bear in mind that the reputation of the organisation as a whole is easily tarnished by the wrong well-intended initiative and the proceeds are a drop in the ocean compared to what is raised by donation and that a fraction of what is theoretically possible. Just how much control do you expect from the Central Committee? Sure, it's a given that some will-intentioned initiatives will go dreadfully awry. Bad things have happened in the past, and bad things will happen in the future; None of it will be prevented by imposing strict central control. Wikimedia is a resilient organisation, and it didn't get that way through paranoid musings about a tarnished reputation. It's not that fragile. Ec ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Commons and The Year of the Picture
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 1:59 AM, Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net wrote: Just how much control do you expect from the Central Committee? Sure, it's a given that some will-intentioned initiatives will go dreadfully awry. Bad things have happened in the past, and bad things will happen in the future; None of it will be prevented by imposing strict central control. Wikimedia is a resilient organisation, and it didn't get that way through paranoid musings about a tarnished reputation. It's not that fragile. My primary concern is that all the potential ramifications of such actions be properly considered - the income is irrelevant in the context of the WMF budget and yet the risk could be extreme. For example, deriving revenue directly from the content could cause problems for fair use[1], let alone the prospect of users uploading copyrighted or otherwise restricted (eg trademarked) content. Another liability to consider relates to problems with delivery. Normally such convenience services include strong disclaimers of warranty and liability but checking one of my contributions[2] shows offers to 'Choisissez un imprimeur *accrédité*'. By referring to these vendors as 'accredited' we are stating that they are officially approved and raising many questions about the accreditation process itself. Don't get me wrong - I'm all for this type of innovation and where better for it to come from than the chapters, but we also need to exercise caution. Sam 1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use#Fair_use_under_United_States_laws 2. http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fichier:CloudComputingStackLarge.svg 3. http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/accredited ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
