[Foundation-l] Jay Walsh's statement
http://blog.wikimedia.org/2010/clarifying-recent-coverage-of-wikipedia/ With respect, the work on the Sexual Content proposal as pretty much thrown out all of Jimbo's work, and is proceeding from a direction more consistent with the values of Commons. To say that Jimmy is actively engaged in discussions with other Wikimedia editors about sexually-explicit materials on Wikimedia Commons. is highly misleading: He has not been involved with this process since the attempted purge. Further: and although the discussions over the past week have been unusually intense, we don’t consider them problematic. Discussion is how Wikimedians work through policy development and policy interpretation: active argument and debate are normal for us — they are how we do our work. The Wikimedia Foundation is grateful for Jimmy’s involvement, and we’re glad he continues to be an important part of the Wikimedia movement. Actually, Jimbo was highly disruptive, edit-warred to force artworks to be included in the list of material to delete, threatened people, and no progress was or could be made until he left it to us volunteers. -Adam ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Jay Walsh's statement
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 2:25 AM, Adam Cuerden cuer...@gmail.com wrote: With respect, the work on the Sexual Content proposal as pretty much thrown out all of Jimbo's work, and is proceeding from a direction [snip] You're linking to something from May 17th. It would be much more productive to focus on matters which are current rather than sub-issues which are weeks cold. I urge everyone to just let this particular thread of discussion die. There are enough important battles to fight _currently_ that we really don't need to keep awakening discussion-zombies to keep us busy. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Strategic Planning Office Hours
Hi Philippe, thanks again for the heads up. We have now seen many reminders, always helpful - although every time I'm not able to make it for different reasons. But could you perhaps give a little heads up on what kind of topics are being discussed nowadays and tease us a bit to actually show up? :) Best, Lodewijk 2010/6/1 Philippe Beaudette pbeaude...@wikimedia.org Hi Everyone - Our next strategic planning office hours will be: 20:00-21:00 UTC, Tuesday, 1 May. Local timezones can be checked athttp:// timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?year=2010month=6day=1hour=20min=0sec=0p1=0 As always, you can access the chat by going to https://webchat.freenode.net and filling in a username and the channel name (#wikimedia-strategy). You may be prompted to click through a security warning. It's fine. More details at: http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours Thanks! Hope to see many of you there. Philippe Beaudette Facilitator, Strategy Project Wikimedia Foundation phili...@wikimedia.org ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Strategic Planning Office Hours
Dear Philippe, it is June 1st, isn't it? Ziko 2010/6/1 Philippe Beaudette pbeaude...@wikimedia.org: Hi Everyone - Our next strategic planning office hours will be: 20:00-21:00 UTC, Tuesday, 1 May. Local timezones can be checked athttp://timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?year=2010month=6day=1hour=20min=0sec=0p1=0 As always, you can access the chat by going to https://webchat.freenode.net and filling in a username and the channel name (#wikimedia-strategy). You may be prompted to click through a security warning. It's fine. More details at: http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours Thanks! Hope to see many of you there. Philippe Beaudette Facilitator, Strategy Project Wikimedia Foundation phili...@wikimedia.org ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Ziko van Dijk Niederlande ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Jay Walsh's statement
Gregory Maxwell wrote: On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 2:25 AM, Adam Cuerden cuer...@gmail.com wrote: With respect, the work on the Sexual Content proposal as pretty much thrown out all of Jimbo's work, and is proceeding from a direction [snip] You're linking to something from May 17th. It would be much more productive to focus on matters which are current rather than sub-issues which are weeks cold. I urge everyone to just let this particular thread of discussion die. There are enough important battles to fight _currently_ that we really don't need to keep awakening discussion-zombies to keep us busy. +1 Not even beating a dead horse, but beating glue. Yours, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Strategic Planning Office Hours
Yes, you're quite right and my apologies. June 1. Today. in an hour and a half or so. :) Philippe Beaudette Facilitator, Strategy Project Wikimedia Foundation phili...@wikimedia.org Imagine a world in which every human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate On Jun 1, 2010, at 6:15 AM, Ziko van Dijk wrote: Dear Philippe, it is June 1st, isn't it? Ziko 2010/6/1 Philippe Beaudette pbeaude...@wikimedia.org: Hi Everyone - Our next strategic planning office hours will be: 20:00-21:00 UTC, Tuesday, 1 May. Local timezones can be checked athttp://timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?year=2010month=6day=1hour=20min=0sec=0p1=0 As always, you can access the chat by going to https://webchat.freenode.net and filling in a username and the channel name (#wikimedia-strategy). You may be prompted to click through a security warning. It's fine. More details at: http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours Thanks! Hope to see many of you there. Philippe Beaudette Facilitator, Strategy Project Wikimedia Foundation phili...@wikimedia.org ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/ foundation-l -- Ziko van Dijk Niederlande ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Strategic Planning Office Hours
On 1 June 2010 01:49, Philippe Beaudette pbeaude...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi Everyone - Our next strategic planning office hours will be: 20:00-21:00 UTC, Tuesday, 1 May. Local timezones can be checked athttp://timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?year=2010month=6day=1hour=20min=0sec=0p1=0 As always, you can access the chat by going to https://webchat.freenode.net and filling in a username and the channel name (#wikimedia-strategy). You may be prompted to click through a security warning. It's fine. More details at: http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours Thanks! Hope to see many of you there. Or not. Okey so it happened that the thing was taking place at a time reasonable for my timezone. So I check http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Task_force/Living_People/IRC_Agendas So there hasn't been an agenda in months. Fair enough agendas can be a pain. Hey how hard can it be to wing it? So I pop in. Discussion is about Reflect . You can read about it here: http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/travis/reflect/ Personally I think it's a bad idea to sacrifice screen real estate on order to solve the odd TR:DR problem. So I make this clear. I'm told that this is related to having a deadline. I start to make the case that perhaps things are getting a little too meta. I also make the case that a tool that is based around removing context and nuance form posts is a bad idea. I start to make the case that if there is a deadline to meet it is better to work out how to do it using technology we already know well (remember no one was considering adding reflect to say en.pedia) rather than trying to introduce new technology and hope it will allow us to do things faster to the extent it makes up for the time lost deploying it and learning how to use it. But at that point I was kinda banned. So peeps. Go along hang out. But be careful with discussion or dissent. They may not work out too well. -- geni ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Strategic Planning Office Hours
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 3:16 PM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: Or not. Okey so it happened that the thing was taking place at a time reasonable for my timezone. So I check http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Task_force/Living_People/IRC_Agendas So there hasn't been an agenda in months. Fair enough agendas can be a pain. Hey how hard can it be to wing it? You're confusing the agendas of a Task Force to the office hours of the strategy process as a whole. As stated at: http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_Office_Hours the goals of these office hours are to answer questions and engage in discussion. These are not formal meetings, but a designated period where Philippe and I make ourselves available to interact with people in real-time. We keep the agenda open, but at the same time, we also do our best to keep the discussion relevant. And, as with the strategy process as a whole, we've worked hard to maintain an environment of constructive, positive discourse. Personally I think it's a bad idea to sacrifice screen real estate on order to solve the odd TR:DR problem. So I make this clear. I'm told that this is related to having a deadline. I start to make the case that perhaps things are getting a little too meta. I also make the case that a tool that is based around removing context and nuance form posts is a bad idea. I start to make the case that if there is a deadline to meet it is better to work out how to do it using technology we already know well (remember no one was considering adding reflect to say en.pedia) rather than trying to introduce new technology and hope it will allow us to do things faster to the extent it makes up for the time lost deploying it and learning how to use it. But at that point I was kinda banned. The decision to kick geniice off the channel was mine. You can read the log to see how the discussion evolved and my explanation for why I made this decision: http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours/2010-06-01 I don't think foundation-l is the appropriate place to discuss these specific grievances, and I'm happy to continue this discussion on strategy wiki's Village Pump. That said, I think we have a strong record for openness and tolerance of all views, as long as the discussion has remained polite and constructive, and I'm happy to address any general questions about this here. =Eugene -- == Eugene Eric Kim http://xri.net/=eekim Blue Oxen Associates http://www.blueoxen.com/ == ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Strategic Planning Office Hours
On 1 June 2010 23:39, Eugene Eric Kim ee...@blueoxen.com wrote: pain. Hey how hard can it be to wing it? You're confusing the agendas of a Task Force to the office hours of the strategy process as a whole. As stated at: http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_Office_Hours the goals of these office hours are to answer questions and engage in discussion. These are not formal meetings, but a designated period where Philippe and I make ourselves available to interact with people in real-time. We keep the agenda open, but at the same time, we also do our best to keep the discussion relevant. And, as with the strategy process as a whole, we've worked hard to maintain an environment of constructive, positive discourse. Removing the ability to raise problems with a suggestion is a great way to render discourse pointless. It in effect makes a virtue of [[en:not even wrong]]. The decision to kick geniice off the channel was mine. You can read the log to see how the discussion evolved and my explanation for why I made this decision: http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours/2010-06-01 I don't think foundation-l is the appropriate place to discuss these specific grievances, and I'm happy to continue this discussion on strategy wiki's Village Pump. That said, I think we have a strong record for openness and tolerance of all views, as long as the discussion has remained polite and constructive, and I'm happy to address any general questions about this here. You have demonstrated a preparedness to shut down lines of debate you don't like. This being the case there is no rational reason why I would chose to raise issues with your actions in places where you were able to continue to take such actions. -- geni ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Strategic Planning Office Hours
There hasn't been an agenda because there haven't been meetings, geni. There haven't been meetings because after five months of biweekly meetings that process ran its course of what we needed for discourse. I've communicated with you many times, geni over several mediums. I'm facilitating that task force, so please address me with concerns as well. On Jun 1, 2010 6:20 PM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: On 1 June 2010 23:39, Eugene Eric Kim ee...@blueoxen.com wrote: pain. Hey how hard can it be to ... Removing the ability to raise problems with a suggestion is a great way to render discourse pointless. It in effect makes a virtue of [[en:not even wrong]]. The decision to kick geniice off the channel was mine. You can read the log to see how the dis... You have demonstrated a preparedness to shut down lines of debate you don't like. This being the case there is no rational reason why I would chose to raise issues with your actions in places where you were able to continue to take such actions. -- geni ___ foundation-l mailing list foundatio...@lists.wikime... ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Contractors and other non-permanent staff
Hi -- I just noticed a wikimedia.org e-mail address that I didn't recognize; I assume it belongs to a new contractor. It reminded me that the announcement process for contractors (and other non-permanent staff) is still non-existent. The last time I asked about this, I was told that I should be picking up clues from the way people sign blog posts and gathering other pieces of information (like e-mail address changes) in order to figure out who's working on what. I don't think this is acceptable. Is it possible to have some sort of standardized announcement process and tracking system of Wikimedia's contractors? They're not tracked at the Wikimedia Foundation's Staff page[1] and I don't know of any public place where they're announced. Specifically, it would be nice to know who's been hired, what they're working on, etc. It's possible that there are announcements being made and I've simply been missing them, but that would be surprising to me and would indicate a problem of a different nature. Thanks. MZMcBride [1] http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Staff ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
