Re: [Foundation-l] Brazilian Portuguese Wikipedia
Before signing off, and before I forget, let me ask another trivial question. It has been a long, long time since you have opened a grammar of any language, hasn't it? That's an easy guess, Watch the personal attacks. I read grammars every day, it's part of my work. Just last week I had a book in Italian and another in English, grammars of the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunama_language ; I'm currently trying to make my way through a didactic grammar of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luise%C3%B1o_language in my spare time and I currently have a book in front of me, which I will cite in the work I am currently doing, called Lenguas criollas de base lexical espanola y portuguesa, containing articles in 3 languages (Spanish, Portuguese and English). My bookshelves are filled with grammars of various languages. So I'll thank you to cease your personal attacks. -m. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Brazilian Portuguese Wikipedia
Is this like the difference between colour in Great Britain and color in the U.S. ? ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] some worries about fundraiser and editor appeals boycotting it
This seems limited to messages on individuals' user pages, saying that they personally will be donating to Amical rather than WMF. I don't think the Foundation should step in on this unless the site notice or a community page is being messed with, though some form of clarification from Amical's leadership would be good. In the meantime it might be worth removing the Joan Goma banners from rotation for PR reasons. Separate from the fundraiser, there may be a problem with their use of viquimedia if it hasn't been approved by the Foundation, and action should be taken to sort this out. Pete / the wub On 7 December 2010 06:39, Ernesto García wbiblioteca...@yahoo.com wrote: Seeing http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Special:FundraiserStatistics I'm quite worried about the onlook.. choosing year to date tab shows a definite deacceleration (and we still need about 4x the current cumulative amount). Therefore I'm particularly concerned about an ongoing campaign on catalan wikipedia asking to NOT donate to wikimedia (and instead give money to their own association). Here is the campaign:http://ca.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Usuari:Martorelloldid=6331799 http://ca.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Usuari:Mafosooldid=6410669 http://ca.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Usuari:Vriullopoldid=6331931 It basically says I want to donate, but I wont donate to Wikimedia, instead I will donate to Amical. My donation will be appreciated and well used. Sorry Jimbo, but I need to think locally Now who are these users? These are cawiki sysops campaining about not donating in the very worst timing, and in the very worst circumstances (fundarising is getting short). Now.. what is Amical? Amical is NOT a wikimedia chapter. It's an non profit association of wikimedians with aims to becoming a chapter REF1: http://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viquip%C3%A8dia:Associaci%C3%B3 And if you follow the external link, you see that for example, Martorell above is member of its board: REF2: http://www.viquimedia.cat/viqui/Junta (notice they present themselves, in domain and logo as viquimedia (localized spelling) and not as Amical (yet they haven't been approved as chaper) Now, these days a banner across wikis from the president of Amical (and appointed president of the non-yet-approved WM:CAT (REF3) Joan Gomà) is replacing Jimbo's in asking for donations REF3: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_in_Catalan/ca#Junta I see a conflict of interests. Amical people (including a board member) is promoting NOT to donate to Wikimedia and instead give to their association, while its president says otherwise. Notwhistanding the use of a WP userpage for propaganda (campaigning for money to a non WM organization), and giving my concern about the fundraising going slower I feel I need to point out this campaign so it is publicly known. ...Now.. why would members of an association whose objective is to support Wikimedia would be torpedoing the fundraiser? Notice the diff dates (mid november). Here's the context: there's a nationalist conflict regarding Catalunya status in Spain (they want to separate). Not directly related, but influenced by this, there has been friction over the past months about the proposals of Wikimedia CAT and Wikimedia ES. WM:CAT gets rejected REF: http://lists.wikimedia.org.ar/pipermail/wikimedia-es/2010-November/002097.html (november 5)Quote:Catalan Group has been rejected by the chapters committee. There is nosuch thing as Wikimedia Catala. Cheers, Delphine And then attacks on Delphine start REF: http://lists.wikimedia.org.ar/pipermail/wikimedia-es/2010-November/002120.html (november 13) Delphine, as always, boicoting the cooperation between Catalans and the rest of the world.Now it seems she is also against cooperation with iberoamerica. Notice Marc Fontevila is User:Mafoso (as signature shows) AlsoREF: http://lists.wikimedia.org.ar/pipermail/wikimedia-es/2010-November/002181.html (nov 16) Next day, the banners boycotting the fundraiser appear on the Amical supporter pages. (Nov 17)Notice the wording about lack of transparencyhttp://ca.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Usuari:Vriullopoldid=6331931 A few day latters, it's crosswiki posted a request on meta with biased wording about transparency againBut it's very soon found that the proposal is ***just another attempt to further the WMCAT agenda***disguised as solving a general problemhttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Chapters._Proposal_to_give_transparency_and_voice_to_the_communitiesOnly catalan sysops have yet spoken pro proposal. Wording was later changed and sections added to present things differently, but original wording can be seen onhttp://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Requests_for_comment/Chapters._Proposal_to_give_transparency_and_voice_to_the_communitiesoldid=2226785if you don't support, you're
Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Re: [VereinDE-l] Bericht zur Verleihung der Zedler-Me...
*John Vandenberg: **Which project has had ArbCom members that were not admins? * Portuguese ArbCom members does not need to be an adm too. See please: http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conselho_de_arbitragem/Elei%C3%A7%C3%B5es _ Béria Lima (Beh) Wikimedia Portugal 2010/12/6 John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 12:42 AM, Huib Laurens sterke...@gmail.com wrote: Sinds its not only English Wikipedia but foundation wide I can say we have people becomming Arbcom without being a Admin.. We had CheckUsers without being a admin. So its not a ladder. Hi Huib, Which project has had ArbCom members that were not admins? There is a related discussion started on meta. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Arbitration_Committee#Access_to_WMF_private_information -- John V ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Brazilian Portuguese Wikipedia
On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 1:11 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: Is this like the difference between colour in Great Britain and color in the U.S. ? no. -- John Vandenberg ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] some worries about fundraiser and editor appeals boycotting it
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 10:39 PM, Ernesto García wbiblioteca...@yahoo.com wrote: Seeing http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Special:FundraiserStatistics I'm quite worried about the onlook.. choosing year to date tab shows a definite deacceleration (and we still need about 4x the current cumulative amount). snip The target for fiscal 2010-11 is $20.4 M in total revenue, but only $13.5 M in individual donations under $10k. Most such donations (80-90%) come in via the annual fundraiser. By extension, the target for the fundraiser itself should be about $12 M. We've raised $6.7 M so far, which would be 55% of $12 M. At this point, we are about 40% of the way through the fundraiser. The slowing donation rate over the last several days is a natural result of donor fatigue and a sign of a campaign starting to grow stale. Simple projections accounting for the declining donation rate would put us around $10.5M at the end, and hence somewhat shy of $12M. However, experience suggests that variations in the appeal can often boost the donation rate even late in a campaign. So, while we will have to push a bit to meet the targets, I would say it is still entirely plausible to do so and there is no need to panic. -Robert Rohde ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] some worries about fundraiser and editor appeals boycotting it
One of the problems is probably the rhythm of the fundraiser. Jimbo stepped in as he would normally do several weeks later. One would till then see the bar running up to the number WMF was trying to reach - and may be decide to actually make WMF reach its target. The present campaign is extremely personalised and it has cancelled the what we need / and what we have question. The reactions on the present campaign are as personal reaching from satire to the odd individual (as now seen) trying to bring his own person into the game. Olaf ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] some worries about fundraiser and editor appeals boycotting it
I believe that the plan is to bring in the thermometer showing how close we are to our target in the later stages of the fundraiser. As you say, hopefully that will boost donations again. At the moment we seem to be doing fine. The personal appeal has proved itself extremely powerful, I think the only reason the Jimbo appeal came so late last year was that no one realised just how effective it could be. It's only natural that response will decrease over time, so that's why there are a variety of messages being trialled to keep up interest. Pete / the wub On 7 December 2010 15:00, Olaf Simons olaf.sim...@pierre-marteau.com wrote: One of the problems is probably the rhythm of the fundraiser. Jimbo stepped in as he would normally do several weeks later. One would till then see the bar running up to the number WMF was trying to reach - and may be decide to actually make WMF reach its target. The present campaign is extremely personalised and it has cancelled the what we need / and what we have question. The reactions on the present campaign are as personal reaching from satire to the odd individual (as now seen) trying to bring his own person into the game. Olaf ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] some worries about fundraiser and editor appeals boycotting it
After all, a person probably isn't going to donate ten times just because ten different people appealed for funds. On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 10:19 AM, Peter Coombe thewub.w...@googlemail.comwrote: I believe that the plan is to bring in the thermometer showing how close we are to our target in the later stages of the fundraiser. As you say, hopefully that will boost donations again. At the moment we seem to be doing fine. The personal appeal has proved itself extremely powerful, I think the only reason the Jimbo appeal came so late last year was that no one realised just how effective it could be. It's only natural that response will decrease over time, so that's why there are a variety of messages being trialled to keep up interest. Pete / the wub On 7 December 2010 15:00, Olaf Simons olaf.sim...@pierre-marteau.com wrote: One of the problems is probably the rhythm of the fundraiser. Jimbo stepped in as he would normally do several weeks later. One would till then see the bar running up to the number WMF was trying to reach - and may be decide to actually make WMF reach its target. The present campaign is extremely personalised and it has cancelled the what we need / and what we have question. The reactions on the present campaign are as personal reaching from satire to the odd individual (as now seen) trying to bring his own person into the game. Olaf ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Get Listed! Wikipedia Marketing Secrets Revealed
http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20101207006158/en/VMS-Sponsoring-Wikipedia-Marketing-Webinar The program, focusing on the dos and donts of getting information about your company on the Wikipedia site, will include insight from Richard Laermer and Sharon Nieuwenhuis, two Wikipedia marketing experts from RLM PR. It is being hosted by CommPRO.biz, a new online source featuring news, tools and training for marketing communications professionals. Laermer is the author of Full Frontal PR and Punk Marketing, as well as the creator of the extremely popular BadPitch Blog. Nieuwenhuis is an account manager for RLM PR focusing on Wikipedia marketing. Were very excited to bring this information to PR or marketing professionals free of charge Fred User:Fred Bauder ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Use Wikipedia as a Marketing Tool
http://www.inc.com/managing/articles/201001/wikipedia.html 'Wikipedia is a complex culture, and sometimes it can feel like the free encyclopedia everyone can edit -- except me, acknowledges Jay Walsh, a spokesperson for the Wikimedia Foundation, the nonprofit organization that oversees Wikipedia. He notes that Wikimedia has only about 30 paid staff, and that Wikipedia is edited by a huge number of volunteers. And he says, though its not an absolute rule, people are strongly discouraged from creating articles about themselves or their organizations because the site strives for neutrality. If you want your organization to be listed in Wikipedia, Walsh and others whove succeeded recommend the following steps:...' Fred User:Fred Bauder ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Use Wikipedia as a Marketing Tool
On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 17:31, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: http://www.inc.com/managing/articles/201001/wikipedia.html It is not a bad article. Basically tells the company to establish their presence, to join the general work on Wikipedia, and start a short article and let the community to join. g ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Use Wikipedia as a Marketing Tool
--- On Tue, 7/12/10, Peter Gervai grin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 17:31, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: http://www.inc.com/managing/articles/201001/wikipedia.html It is not a bad article. Basically tells the company to establish their presence, to join the general work on Wikipedia, and start a short article and let the community to join. Yes, not a bad article. They are referring to the WP article on their own company, which is not exactly an advertisement, given its prominent COI template at the top (since January 2010, roughly the date of the article): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PacketTrap A. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Use Wikipedia as a Marketing Tool
On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 17:31, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: http://www.inc.com/managing/articles/201001/wikipedia.html It is not a bad article. Basically tells the company to establish their presence, to join the general work on Wikipedia, and start a short article and let the community to join. g Ekhm The more mentions you have in the press, and the more visibility you have in social media and blogs, the more likely you are to seem legitimate and “notable” -- a precondition for inclusion. legitimate and notable by facebook, twitter and blogs? przykuta ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Use Wikipedia as a Marketing Tool
In a message dated 12/7/2010 9:38:23 AM Pacific Standard Time, przyk...@o2.pl writes: The more mentions you have in the press, and the more visibility you have in social media and blogs, the more likely you are to seem legitimate and “notable” -- a precondition for inclusion. legitimate and notable by facebook, twitter and blogs? przykuta There is a great disconnect between the belief and the practice. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Use Wikipedia as a Marketing Tool
On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 9:38 AM, Przykuta przyk...@o2.pl wrote: On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 17:31, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: http://www.inc.com/managing/articles/201001/wikipedia.html It is not a bad article. Basically tells the company to establish their presence, to join the general work on Wikipedia, and start a short article and let the community to join. g Ekhm The more mentions you have in the press, and the more visibility you have in social media and blogs, the more likely you are to seem legitimate and “notable” -- a precondition for inclusion. legitimate and notable by facebook, twitter and blogs? przykuta legitimate as any kind of inclusion criterion at all? FT2 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Pieter Kuiper
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 5:48 PM, Virgilio A. P. Machado v...@fct.unl.ptwrote: The only Wikipedian that has been dealt with by an arbcom by his real name, NOT his user name! This tag line is extremely inaccurate, for what it's worth. FT2. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Pieter Kuiper
Hello, Strange that Pieter kan rule Wikimedia Commons... So far that the Foundation need to step in. Btw, there is even a request to get him blocked on OTRS... People need to take action on Commons and don't point fingers because nothing will happen than. Huib 2010/12/7 FT2 ft2.w...@gmail.com On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 5:48 PM, Virgilio A. P. Machado v...@fct.unl.pt wrote: The only Wikipedian that has been dealt with by an arbcom by his real name, NOT his user name! This tag line is extremely inaccurate, for what it's worth. FT2. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Regards, Huib Abigor Laurens Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Lead by example
Let's see if I can get this right. There has been a very entertaining, albeit totally useless exchange on this list, as far as real results are concerned. I forgot at least one of the rules (probably more) of this list, and (almost) always addressed my comments to the person who made the comment. The exchange went well, was mostly good humored, but that's not how things are supposed to happen here. I apologize for so blatantly disrespecting that list rule, and any other one, that I might not be aware at the moment. I appreciate the patience and understanding of all directly involved, and all the readers who had to endure my misbehavior. That said, there's no excuse for the overblowing of my comments and hyperbolic references to personal attacks, by now a concept so overused that it has lost any credibility whatsoever. Let me quote some examples of what was NOT perceived as personal attacks: Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 17:15:29 From: M. Williamson he perceives it to be dominated by Brazilians. Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 01:09:08 From: David Gerard This is Virgilio's pet around-and-around topic on this list. (The above line was the sum total of this comment) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 12:55:29 From: John Vandenberg Thanks Mark. Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 13:09:30 From: John Vandenberg gramatical is spelled wrong. and 'mistakes' is only true if you consider the Portuguese Language Orthographic Agreement of 1990 to be a mistake. (Notwithstanding this was all that was posted, it led to a pretty pleasant exchange between me and John. Most of the time, big boys don't need to be patronized. We took good care of ourselves. No moderator intervention was necessary.) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 21:59:28 From: Nathan It's possible he has more experience with a grammar than you expect. Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 01:09:10 From: M. Williamson Before signing off, and before I forget, let me ask another trivial question. It has been a long, long time since you have opened a grammar of any language, hasn't it? That's an easy guess, Watch the personal attacks. [...] So I'll thank you to cease your personal attacks. My whole paragraph was: Before signing off, and before I forget, let me ask another trivial question. It has been a long, long time since you have opened a grammar of any language, hasn't it? That's an easy guess, considering what a grammar is (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammar) and that the differences between Brazilian Portuguese and Portuguese of Portugal go way beyond differences in orthography. You'll find a lot of good links here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado/Portuguese_language_issues, particularly this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazilian_Portuguese#Grammar [...] To call the attention of ALL participants in the discussion to Please focus on the comment, not the person making the comment. is absolutely right and appropriate. To make it in a message addressed to me smacks of personal attack, and since it was made by a list moderator, I would say that is a very serious offense. We all should be aware of our responsibilities. We all have duties and rights here. One wrong, does not justify a worst one. Any moderator that fails to perform his duties appropriately, should take a leave of absence, graciously submitting a request to be relieved of his responsibilities. From them on, an exemplary participation in this list would be the best and only argument to ask to be reinstated as a moderator. Sincerely, Virgilio A. P. Machado ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Pieter Kuiper
What the hell is all this Portuguese stuff doing here? Adam's original message seems very disturbing to me, but then I'm often disturbed by Commons. Frank ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Brazilian Portuguese Wikipedia
You may check my user page too, on the Brazilian Portuguese Wikipedia. It's a barrel of laughs. Sorry you'll have to check the history. :-) Well, as far as I am concerned creation of articles like this http://pt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=29663_1998_WH23redirect=no or like this http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agrostis_taliensis in the amount of several thousands per day with the only purpose of keeping clear from Russian Wikipedia in terms of the number of articles damages the images of Portuguese Wikipedia much more that transitions between the dialects. You will soon become sort of the second Volapuk, and for Volapuk the dialect do not really matter. Cheers Yaroslav ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Brazilian Portuguese Wikipedia
Well, let's not make that a question of my Wikipédia is better / bigger / prettier that your, please _ Béria Lima (Beh) Wikimedia Portugal 2010/12/7 Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru You may check my user page too, on the Brazilian Portuguese Wikipedia. It's a barrel of laughs. Sorry you'll have to check the history. :-) Well, as far as I am concerned creation of articles like this http://pt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=29663_1998_WH23redirect=no or like this http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agrostis_taliensis in the amount of several thousands per day with the only purpose of keeping clear from Russian Wikipedia in terms of the number of articles damages the images of Portuguese Wikipedia much more that transitions between the dialects. You will soon become sort of the second Volapuk, and for Volapuk the dialect do not really matter. Cheers Yaroslav ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Accuracy required
Let's see if perfect practice makes perfect. The quoted tag line, The only Wikipedian that has been dealt with by an arbcom by his real name, NOT his user name! has been questioned has extremely inaccurate. It was used right below a name and user name: Virgilio A. P. Machado (Vapamachado) Since the arbcom wiki was omitted, it was assumed that it would be understood that it referred to the user's home wiki. What exactly is extremely inaccurate in the quoted text? If no clear explanation is provided by the author of that qualification, he or she should be kind enough to withdraw the comment and apologize. for what it's worth is an expression conveying bonhomie, helpful, friendly, or is it a put down, sneer, scornful, snooty comment, more akin to what is usually called here a personal attack? Sincerely, Virgilio A. P. Machado The one with only this tag line At 18:10 07-12-2010, you wrote: On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 5:48 PM, Virgilio A. P. Machado v...@fct.unl.ptwrote: The only Wikipedian that has been dealt with by an arbcom by his real name, NOT his user name! This tag line is extremely inaccurate, for what it's worth. FT2. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Accuracy required
When a person says by an arbcom it implies by one of several arbcoms that exist. The word an (um/uma) suggests one of several/many. Perhaps more accurately by the Portuguese Wikipedia Arbcom? The term for what it's worth (or as an aside) in English implies information provided that may or may not be useful to the reader but is given because it is possibly helpful. FT2 On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Virgilio A. P. Machado v...@fct.unl.ptwrote: Let's see if perfect practice makes perfect. The quoted tag line, The only Wikipedian that has been dealt with by an arbcom by his real name, NOT his user name! has been questioned has extremely inaccurate. It was used right below a name and user name: Virgilio A. P. Machado (Vapamachado) Since the arbcom wiki was omitted, it was assumed that it would be understood that it referred to the user's home wiki. What exactly is extremely inaccurate in the quoted text? If no clear explanation is provided by the author of that qualification, he or she should be kind enough to withdraw the comment and apologize. for what it's worth is an expression conveying bonhomie, helpful, friendly, or is it a put down, sneer, scornful, snooty comment, more akin to what is usually called here a personal attack? Sincerely, Virgilio A. P. Machado The one with only this tag line At 18:10 07-12-2010, you wrote: On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 5:48 PM, Virgilio A. P. Machado v...@fct.unl.pt wrote: The only Wikipedian that has been dealt with by an arbcom by his real name, NOT his user name! This tag line is extremely inaccurate, for what it's worth. FT2. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Brazilian Portuguese Wikipedia
On Tue, 7 Dec 2010 21:25:22 +, Béria Lima berial...@gmail.com wrote: Well, let's not make that a question of my Wikipédia is better / bigger / prettier that your, please _ Béria Lima (Beh) Wikimedia Portugal This is a reputation question. If you have the community decision to have such reputation, I am perfectly fine with that. I am not a Portuguese speaker and not a regular contributor to pt.wp Cheers Yaroslav ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Accuracy required
(For example if a person says I was contacted by *an admin* the reader is not being told it is a specific admin. The users has not said by the same admin as before or any other indication which one. I am employed by *an academy* does not necessarily mean the one academy I live near or worked with in the past.) FT2 On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 1:34 PM, FT2 ft2.w...@gmail.com wrote: When a person says by an arbcom it implies by one of several arbcoms that exist. The word an (um/uma) suggests one of several/many. Perhaps more accurately by the Portuguese Wikipedia Arbcom? The term for what it's worth (or as an aside) in English implies information provided that may or may not be useful to the reader but is given because it is possibly helpful. FT2 On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Virgilio A. P. Machado v...@fct.unl.ptwrote: Let's see if perfect practice makes perfect. The quoted tag line, The only Wikipedian that has been dealt with by an arbcom by his real name, NOT his user name! has been questioned has extremely inaccurate. It was used right below a name and user name: Virgilio A. P. Machado (Vapamachado) Since the arbcom wiki was omitted, it was assumed that it would be understood that it referred to the user's home wiki. What exactly is extremely inaccurate in the quoted text? If no clear explanation is provided by the author of that qualification, he or she should be kind enough to withdraw the comment and apologize. for what it's worth is an expression conveying bonhomie, helpful, friendly, or is it a put down, sneer, scornful, snooty comment, more akin to what is usually called here a personal attack? Sincerely, Virgilio A. P. Machado The one with only this tag line At 18:10 07-12-2010, you wrote: On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 5:48 PM, Virgilio A. P. Machado v...@fct.unl.pt wrote: The only Wikipedian that has been dealt with by an arbcom by his real name, NOT his user name! This tag line is extremely inaccurate, for what it's worth. FT2. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Brazilian Portuguese Wikipedia
Since you not speak portuguese and do not know our countries (in plural because of Brazil / Angola / Portugal / Cape Verde / etc... ) and culture, i would be glad if you keep your opinion for you. The reputation of pt.wiki is our problem, and the problem of the little articles is a question who is a decision of every community to decide. Spanish, Italy and Russian (as far I can understand for you mail) don't allow that kind of article. We do. And not because of ru.wiki, we do that for all our history. If that is bad or good, don't concern to you or me to judge, but to pt.wiki readers and contributors _ Béria Lima (Beh) Wikimedia Portugal 2010/12/7 Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru On Tue, 7 Dec 2010 21:25:22 +, Béria Lima berial...@gmail.com wrote: Well, let's not make that a question of my Wikipédia is better / bigger / prettier that your, please _ Béria Lima (Beh) Wikimedia Portugal This is a reputation question. If you have the community decision to have such reputation, I am perfectly fine with that. I am not a Portuguese speaker and not a regular contributor to pt.wp Cheers Yaroslav ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Brazilian Portuguese Wikipedia
On Tue, 7 Dec 2010 21:46:48 +, Béria Lima berial...@gmail.com wrote: Since you not speak portuguese and do not know our countries (in plural because of Brazil / Angola / Portugal / Cape Verde / etc... ) and culture, i would be glad if you keep your opinion for you. The reputation of pt.wiki is our problem, and the problem of the little articles is a question who is a decision of every community to decide. Spanish, Italy and Russian (as far I can understand for you mail) don't allow that kind of article. We do. And not because of ru.wiki, we do that for all our history. If that is bad or good, don't concern to you or me to judge, but to pt.wiki readers and contributors _ Well, not a very friendly answer. I do speak some Portuguese (not on the level to contribute as an editor), and I have visited Portugal and Brazil a number of times. I totally agree that it is not my business to judge what should be kept in pt.wp (indeed, in Russian Wikipedia these articles are eligible for speedy deletion). However I am entitled to express my opinion that Portuguese Wikipedia is largely bot-generated. At least until pt.wp community decides to clean it up. Cheers Yaroslav ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Brazilian Portuguese Wikipedia
Not very friendly to go with your first message. But let's try again in a more polite way: We have bot articles? Yes we have, several bots create most of citys of France and some of Spain, German and Russia in Portuguese Wikipédia. but no one of those bots works anymore since 2007-2008. From now on, all articles are create by people. If they are big or not, i don't know, but we only ask for all article have a source. So if you create a article like Brazil is a country of South America with a source, your article would be kept. I understand you when you said that we could delete those articles, but i think that little information is better than no information at all. That is what we normally think in portuguese wikipedia. And about the problem of be the number 1, 2, 3 or 405: Our community really do not care about it in general. Of course some guys have the number fever and like to know we are the 9º (or 10º - i don't know) largest wikipedia. But the rest of us if cool with that. Sorry the other mail, i'm a little rude at times. _ Béria Lima (Beh) Wikimedia Portugal 2010/12/7 Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru On Tue, 7 Dec 2010 21:46:48 +, Béria Lima berial...@gmail.com wrote: Since you not speak portuguese and do not know our countries (in plural because of Brazil / Angola / Portugal / Cape Verde / etc... ) and culture, i would be glad if you keep your opinion for you. The reputation of pt.wiki is our problem, and the problem of the little articles is a question who is a decision of every community to decide. Spanish, Italy and Russian (as far I can understand for you mail) don't allow that kind of article. We do. And not because of ru.wiki, we do that for all our history. If that is bad or good, don't concern to you or me to judge, but to pt.wiki readers and contributors _ Well, not a very friendly answer. I do speak some Portuguese (not on the level to contribute as an editor), and I have visited Portugal and Brazil a number of times. I totally agree that it is not my business to judge what should be kept in pt.wp (indeed, in Russian Wikipedia these articles are eligible for speedy deletion). However I am entitled to express my opinion that Portuguese Wikipedia is largely bot-generated. At least until pt.wp community decides to clean it up. Cheers Yaroslav ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] some worries about fundraiser and editor appeals boycotting it
Seriously...just get rid of it - it's pure spam. On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 8:27 AM, Arlen Beiler arlen...@gmail.com wrote: After all, a person probably isn't going to donate ten times just because ten different people appealed for funds. On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 10:19 AM, Peter Coombe thewub.w...@googlemail.com wrote: I believe that the plan is to bring in the thermometer showing how close we are to our target in the later stages of the fundraiser. As you say, hopefully that will boost donations again. At the moment we seem to be doing fine. The personal appeal has proved itself extremely powerful, I think the only reason the Jimbo appeal came so late last year was that no one realised just how effective it could be. It's only natural that response will decrease over time, so that's why there are a variety of messages being trialled to keep up interest. Pete / the wub On 7 December 2010 15:00, Olaf Simons olaf.sim...@pierre-marteau.com wrote: One of the problems is probably the rhythm of the fundraiser. Jimbo stepped in as he would normally do several weeks later. One would till then see the bar running up to the number WMF was trying to reach - and may be decide to actually make WMF reach its target. The present campaign is extremely personalised and it has cancelled the what we need / and what we have question. The reactions on the present campaign are as personal reaching from satire to the odd individual (as now seen) trying to bring his own person into the game. Olaf ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
