Re: [Foundation-l] Languages and numbers
On 06/27/2011 12:30 AM, M. Williamson wrote: Some of these actually already have Wikipedias: Meadow Mari Yakut (aka Sakha) Lak Balkar (aka Karachay-Balkar) Yiddish, Eastern (= standard Yiddish, Western Yiddish is the one we are missing but it has much fewer speakers; according to Ethnologue there are only 5,400 around the world) In addition, in another message you stated that we probably had Wikipedias in every Sinitic language that was distinct enough from Mandarin to receive an own Wikipedia; Min Bei has 10.3 million speakers and does not have a Wikipedia and is definitely far removed from Mandarin; Xiang is also probably deserving of its own Wikipedia and has 30 million+ speakers. Thanks for the corrections! As for Han languages, because of the languages which you mentioned, I intentionally left all of them. Obviously, they will be analyzed on case-by-case basis. But, Han languages are not endangered, China is fairly developed country, their basic written language needs are covered by CJK characters and fonts etc. If they want to have Wikipedia, it is likely that they would get it, but it is not priority. If we are talking about languages of China, Hmong–Mien (or Miao–Yao) languages, for example, should be more in focus, as some of them have enough speakers to create viable Wikimedia projects if supported (Chuanqiandian Cluster Miao has 1.4M of speakers). ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Closing projects policy now official
Hello dear all, on the August 2010 board meeting the board had talked about the responsibilities of the board, the staff and the committees (minutes here: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Minutes/July_8,_2010 ). The board had worked through this with the RASCI matrix (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responsibility_assignment_matrix ). We had decided that the creation and closing of projects are responsibilities of the LangCom, the board should be informed about its decision. We believe that the LangCom has the knowledge and the professionism in issuing the correct policies, as it had showed in the past. When the LangCom came up with its new closing project policy proposal the board discussed it and thought that the policy is good. I therefore informed the LangCom that the board has no objection on this policy. There is no need for the board to issue a resolution on this. Greetings Ting On 25.06.2011 11:20, wrote Milos Rancic: Board has decided to make Closing projects [1] official. The text of the policy is below (as well as at the mentioned page). Language committee members who decided to take care about this would be listed inside of the section Tasks of the members list [2]. During the next weeks present requests will be normalized after the discussion at the LangCom list. [1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Closing_projects_policy [2] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Language_committee/Members * * * This policy proposal defines the process to close (and in some situations delete) a wiki hosted by the Wikimedia Foundation. The proposals are handled by [[Language Committee]] members who opt-in to take care of this, and the [[Board of Trustees]] has final authority over the member's decision. ==Problem situation and new authority== The current [[Proposals for closing projects]] lack a clear policy. Several proposals have been made for a policy, but so far none has been adopted. Because of that, a lot of small inactive wikis are proposed to be closed. Some people support out of principle (wiki is inactive), while others oppose out of principle (let it grow). Often, users came by and made a decision, which could even be the opposite of the actual consensus. This policy tries to address this problem by: * requiring a valid reason for closure, and defining several reasons as either valid or invalid reasons * putting the procedure in hands of language committee members and final Board decision The community has no longer authority over closing projects, but only an advising task. This puts the procedure in line with the [[language proposal policy]], which is also dependent on language committee and Board approval. That means closing projects is no longer easier than opening one. Although the decision is made by a member of the Language Committee and no longer through community consensus, the Board will have final authority, and the LangCom is convinced that this procedure will improve the decision-making and that both the LangCom and the Board are the appropriate authority for dealing with closing Wikimedia wikis. ==Policy proposal== ===Types of proposals=== In order to distinguish routine situations from potentially more complex or unusual ones, projects that are proposed to be deleted are classified as one of two types: # Regular language editions that are small/inactive but do not generally harm to stay open (automatic spam is always blocked, contrary to the past). #: ''For example: Afar Wiktionary, Gaeilge Wikiquote, Guarani Wikibooks, ...'' # Other (often relatively more active) wikis that may be controversial, questionable or in another way uncommon. #: ''For example: Quality Wikimedia, Simple English Wikiquote, ...'' ===Definition of actions=== * Closing a wiki means locking the database so it cannot be edited but all pages are still visible to public. User rights (sysop, ...) are removed and can be restored on user request when the wiki is re-activated. * Deleting a wiki means deleting the database so it is completely unavailable on the web. An XML file with the wiki's content will still be available for external use. * Transferring or importing content means moving useful articles/pages, along with the contribution history, to the [[Wikimedia Incubator]], [[oldwikisource:|OldWikisource]] or [[betawikiversity:|BetaWikiversity]] (or another site when explicitly mentioned).smallSee [[incubator:I:Importing]] for more info./small ** Files are left on the wiki because of a lack of an export function. When the wiki will be deleted, files could be downloaded manually if needed.smallWhen such a software feature becomes available, files should be exported./small ===Proposing=== Anyone can propose to close a wiki. The following must be done: * The proposal must be categorised under either type 1 or type 2 (see above). * If you want the wiki to be deleted as well, that must be explicitly mentioned in the proposal. *
Re: [Foundation-l] Closing projects policy now official
On 06/27/2011 11:39 AM, Ting Chen wrote: on the August 2010 board meeting the board had talked about the responsibilities of the board, the staff and the committees (minutes here: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Minutes/July_8,_2010 ). The board had worked through this with the RASCI matrix (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responsibility_assignment_matrix ). We had decided that the creation and closing of projects are responsibilities of the LangCom, the board should be informed about its decision. We believe that the LangCom has the knowledge and the professionism in issuing the correct policies, as it had showed in the past. When the LangCom came up with its new closing project policy proposal the board discussed it and thought that the policy is good. I therefore informed the LangCom that the board has no objection on this policy. There is no need for the board to issue a resolution on this. Thanks, Ting! ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] [Wiki-research-l] Wikipedia dumps downloader
Thank you, Emijrp! What about the dump of Commons images? [for those with 10TB to spare] SJ On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 8:53 AM, emijrp emi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all; Can you imagine a day when Wikipedia is added to this list?[1] WikiTeam have developed a script[2] to download all the Wikipedia dumps (and her sister projects) from dumps.wikimedia.org. It sorts in folders and checks md5sum. It only works on Linux (it uses wget). You will need about 100GB to download all the 7z files. Save our memory. Regards, emijrp [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_libraries [2] http://code.google.com/p/wikiteam/source/browse/trunk/wikipediadownloader.py ___ Wiki-research-l mailing list wiki-researc...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l -- Samuel Klein identi.ca:sj w:user:sj +1 617 529 4266 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Languages and numbers
More data could be found at [1]. It is about coverage of languages by Wikimedia projects by size of population, logarithmic. Numbers are not a surprise. [1] https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=tCwO11tFPLPB-SJafDesypgauthkey=CPCE5pMB#gid=1 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] [Xmldatadumps-l] Wikipedia dumps downloader
Hi Richard; Yes, a distributed project would be probably the best solution, but it is not easy to develop, unless you use a library like bittorrent, or similar and you have many peers. Althought most of the people don't seed the files long time, so sometimes is better to depend on a few committed persons than a big but ephemeral crowd. Regards, emijrp 2011/6/26 Richard Farmbrough rich...@farmbrough.co.uk ** It would be useful to have an archive of archives. I have to delete my old data dumps as time passes, for space reasons, however a team could, between them, maintain multiple copies of every data dump. This would make a nice distributed project. On 26/06/2011 13:53, emijrp wrote: Hi all; Can you imagine a day when Wikipedia is added to this list?[1] WikiTeam have developed a script[2] to download all the Wikipedia dumps (and her sister projects) from dumps.wikimedia.org. It sorts in folders and checks md5sum. It only works on Linux (it uses wget). You will need about 100GB to download all the 7z files. Save our memory. Regards, emijrp [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_libraries [2] http://code.google.com/p/wikiteam/source/browse/trunk/wikipediadownloader.py ___ Xmldatadumps-l mailing listXmldatadumps-l@lists.wikimedia.orghttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/xmldatadumps-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] It Is not Us
Hoi. Wikipedia should be more like a social network. It provides us with the opportunity to reach out to people when we want to crowd source some activity. We have a problem in retaining people particular newbies. When we show a social side to our work on open content (not only encyclopaedic content) we stand a better chance we are likely to do better. Thanks, GerardM On 26 June 2011 18:48, Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com wrote: Facebook, and Twitter, big with Black folk, gives people something they can relate to. Wikipedia is as dry as reading, or writing, an encyclopedia. In a sense they ate our lunch, but millions of Facebook-like user pages can hardly be justified as a basis for charitable donations. Are you saying Wikipedia should be less like an encyclopedia and more like a social network? ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] It Is not Us
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi. Wikipedia should be more like a social network. It provides us with the opportunity to reach out to people when we want to crowd source some activity. We have a problem in retaining people particular newbies. When we show a social side to our work on open content (not only encyclopaedic content) we stand a better chance we are likely to do better. Thanks, GerardM That's an interesting theory. Wikipedia is sort of the epitome of a social enterprise, and all of the good and the bad in the project can be traced to its social nature. Trying to make it more like a social network can only be interpreted as making it more like some other social network, perhaps by integrating purely social mechanisms a la Facebook. Of course, that could either help or hinder, with no way to know for sure in advance; perhaps encouraging more social interaction would exacerbate and personalize the disputes and conflicts that drive people away. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] It Is not Us
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 17:43, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Wikipedia should be more like a social network. It provides us with the well wikipedia is about to create value for long term - social networks are about to create worthless things for the moment. g ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] [Wiki-research-l] Wikipedia dumps downloader
emijrp wrote: Hi SJ; You know that that is an old item in our TODO list ; ) I heard that Platonides developed a script for that task long time ago. Platonides, are you there? Regards, emijrp Yes, I am. :) ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] The Signpost – Volume 7, Issue 26 – 27 June 2011
News and notes: ArbCom database theft; WikiLove to roll out on the English Wikipedia; brief news http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2011-06-27/News_and_notes In the news: Russian president uploads to Wikimedia Commons; brief news http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2011-06-27/In_the_news WikiProject report: The Continuous Convention: WikiProject Comics http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2011-06-27/WikiProject_report Featured content: The best of the week http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2011-06-27/Featured_content Arbitration report: Proposed decision for Tree shaping case http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2011-06-27/Arbitration_report Technology report: Bugs, Repairs, and Internal Operational News http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2011-06-27/Technology_report Single page view http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Signpost/Single PDF version http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book:Wikipedia_Signpost/2011-06-27 http://identi.ca/wikisignpost / https://twitter.com/wikisignpost -- Wikipedia Signpost Staff http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] It Is not Us
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Peter Gervai grin...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 17:43, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Wikipedia should be more like a social network. It provides us with the well wikipedia is about to create value for long term - social networks are about to create worthless things for the moment. g ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l +1 As you mentioned earlier, Peter, most things on Facebook are in-the-moment and do last in any sort of repository of things people want to read for educational value. There is some entertainment value in places like lamebook.com, but that humor generally isn't above the brow (there is some witty banter, though). Our talk pages, on the other hand, provide insight in the archives on how the social dynamics shaped the creation of a product as well as provide general institutional knowledge. Wikimedia social networking features such as talk pages, mailing lists, and IRC channels produce millions of lines of collaborative work. This is what makes our system valuable. -- ~Keegan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
