Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Fwd: Announcement: New editor engagement experiments team!
Yes we might be on the same page, but I think in general the employment policy of WFM is one big disaster. I would rather not make a research on productivity among the employees... which from a POV of an outsider seems to be a tragedy looking at the site usability and editing stats... I have no idea what all the administrative staff is doing... a non-profit like WMF should be employing only developers (+an accountant), while crowdsourcing assighments for them for free from the community. Now we loose great money on running programs that have little or no impact on the strategic goals defined recently. There simply have to be indicators of productivity and somebody really has to evaluate if current strategy is the right direction to the goals currently set... I not sure this is even about to happen soon. 2012/4/6 birgitte...@yahoo.com: Please don't assume I disagree with all objections that could possibly be made, just because I disagree that the one's which had been presented so far are very significant. I sincerely hope this program is more decentralized then any other program being run right now. It seems to be in rather early stages, to declare that it has failed to achieve this. But knowing SF, if the program were be half as well-distributed as needed for optimal performance (in a more perfect WMF); they will be white-knuckled, nauseous, and grasping for reasons to reel it in (figuratively speaking). So I hope the program isn't actually designed to be ideally decentralized. We don't operate in an ideal world. I hope it just one step further towards decentralization than SF has made thus far. Then it may serve to deliver two good outcomes, in it's stated purpose as well building confidence for decentralization in SF. Which is not to say I don't think your underlying objection is not the number one, most serious, concern I have with SF. If you asked me to explain what believed was the largest, most fundamental error SF is making. I would answer along your lines of thinking. If I could magically change one opinion regarding WMF, I would make everyone forget they had ever heard it was a good idea to have all the employees working face-to-face so they might more efficiently come to the wrong conclusions and more quickly be able to produce fait accompli [1] But one has to walk before they can run. Still if you are correct the end editor engagement program is meant to be entire run out of SF, they shouldn't bother wasting their time. There is a good reason politicians do not run their listening tours from within their capitol cities. It is impossible for them to really gauge how things are going in the communities when the folks at the cafeteria are so much more engaging! BirgitteSB [1] An accomplished fact; an action which is completed before those affected by it are in a position to query or reverse it. (I know English can difficult enough even when don't decide to rob other languages for concepts we are lacking. For all I know this might mean something slightly different in French!) On Apr 5, 2012, at 4:42 PM, Jan Kučera kozuc...@gmail.com wrote: You are still doomed as WMF with your new job probram unless you allow remote work or start a reasonable grant-program to general public... you will never find the best talents in a limited space... (mainly US now) go to the full globe instead... 2012/3/28 birgitte...@yahoo.com: It seems to me that there has been a quite a variety of results to booster activities, and that the poorest results have come from random educators who decide to make a Wikipedia class project without consulting any veteran editors rather than from people more thoroughly exposed to the sausage factory nature of wikis. I don't doubt that outreach can be done very poorly, I just don't really expect future programs, especially ones with old hats on board, to make the same mistakes past programs have already discovered for us. As far I can determine, contributors fall along a full spectrum without any sort clear way to claim at what point an individual has become an official editor, nor when one might have forfeited such a status. I think that biggest difference in our viewpoints stems from your belief that there ever has been some sort of natural ecosystem of contributor motivations and that activities not intended to promote a specific viewpoint are somehow artificial. In a way, all of it was always artificial, or else it is really all quite natural given the nature of the system. I can't manage to find those labels meaningful. Nor can I find any objective criteria that would make sense to populate two categories of contributors in the way you speak of one side being boosted over the other by outreach. It is however the most natural thing in all of humanity to transform a complex system down into some sort of false dichotomy. To transform a truly varied world
[Foundation-l] help.wikimedia.org - QA site
Hi there, new projects suck, because there are (close to) none asked some time ago already with few positive replies bug was already filled at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29923 is there someone who can help move on? not really expecting tremendous action(s), but just giving it a try before I give here up completely Cheers, Kozuch ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] help.wikimedia.org - QA site
On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 5:45 PM, Jan Kučera kozuc...@gmail.com wrote: new projects suck, because there are (close to) none Well propose a non sucky one then? TBH I don't class a QA site really as a new project. Since that bug (if memory serves correctly) is just about setting one up for questions about using/editing WMF projects compared to a more general QA involving almost any topic questions. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] New Project Process
In some respects, that change would be quite good. My experience on Wikiquote has been unfavorable, to put it mildly, where the en.wiki concept of BLP is non-existent. Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 14:42:41 +1000 From: jay...@gmail.com To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] New Project Process The policies of each project are different for a very good reason. e.g. If English Wikiquote was merged into English Wikipedia, the vast majority of the quote pages would be deleted very quickly, for good or ill. I know I would be the first to get out the sickle. :P On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Carlos Felipe Antonorsi -- John Vandenberg ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Creative Commons licenses v4 drafts available
https://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/32157 The fussy buggers of Wikimedia need to get nitpicking ... - d. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] help.wikimedia.org - QA site
Yes and why the damn WMF does not throw their support behind such projects? Do they consider us all to be useless idiots when proposing such things? 2012/4/6 Mono monom...@gmail.com: Well, I don't think it could be successful unless the Foundation threw their support behind it. On Friday, April 6, 2012, K. Peachey wrote: On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 5:45 PM, Jan Kučera kozuc...@gmail.comjavascript:; wrote: new projects suck, because there are (close to) none Well propose a non sucky one then? TBH I don't class a QA site really as a new project. Since that bug (if memory serves correctly) is just about setting one up for questions about using/editing WMF projects compared to a more general QA involving almost any topic questions. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Sent from my iPad ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Improving Wikipedia Information graphics
Very good stuff! Can we please also have information on how to update them, and source files? It's good to have brilliant graphics, but also very important to be able to recreate them. By the way, in the same breath, let me plug my basic, simple, parliament diagram creator (which writes svg files). I'd be very excited to hear from people who want to use and improve it, or even have a better free tool which supersedes it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Slashme#Parliament_diagram_tool ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] help.wikimedia.org - QA site
I would be interested in helping with this project from a third-party wiki and MediaWiki developer perspective. -greg aka varnent On Apr 6, 2012, at 2:26 PM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 3:45 AM, Jan Kučera kozuc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi there, new projects suck, because there are (close to) none asked some time ago already with few positive replies bug was already filled at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29923 is there someone who can help move on? It looks like a good idea to me. Do you have any experience running one of those sites? As with any new project, a set of people signed up to help administer it / be initial contributors and editosr would be useful. So I think it's still valuable to create a page about it on meta as a 'new project' even though we haven't cleaned up the new project process there recently. SJ ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] help.wikimedia.org - QA site
Great! Could you two please revise the current dormant proposal at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiAnswers And note that one of the active uses of the site would be a channel dedicated to QA about using the Wikimedia projects and MediaWiki? I think it is simpler and easier to say let's start a QA site, and focus on building a help channel there. As long as the site is up and maintained, you could answer other questions there as well. The WP:RefDesk has never been an ideal formal for answering questions or, more importantly, for aggregating and organizing answers over time so that it develops into a permanent reference resource. SJ On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Gregory Varnum gregory.var...@gmail.com wrote: I would be interested in helping with this project from a third-party wiki and MediaWiki developer perspective. -greg aka varnent On Apr 6, 2012, at 2:26 PM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 3:45 AM, Jan Kučera kozuc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi there, new projects suck, because there are (close to) none asked some time ago already with few positive replies bug was already filled at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29923 is there someone who can help move on? It looks like a good idea to me. Do you have any experience running one of those sites? As with any new project, a set of people signed up to help administer it / be initial contributors and editosr would be useful. So I think it's still valuable to create a page about it on meta as a 'new project' even though we haven't cleaned up the new project process there recently. SJ ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Samuel Klein identi.ca:sj w:user:sj +1 617 529 4266 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Do you use MediaWiki as a conference website?
Forwarding to f-l/ -- Forwarded message -- From: Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Internal-l] Do you use MediaWiki as a conference website? Related to this idea, OpenMeetings is a site established to capture meetings and video/audio/text of talks at them, under a free license. The site is a wiki and founded by a wikipedian, but they are looking for it to be adopted by a wider community. http://openmeetings.org/wiki/Main_Page SJ On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 11:57 AM, aude aude.w...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Sumana Harihareswara suma...@wikimedia.org wrote: If you administer a MediaWiki installation and use it as a conference website when you host conferences and conventions, you might be interested in this suggested summer project: I would be very interested in there being some investment in the technology for running a Wikimania and other conferences. Unfortunately, the Wikimania 2012 is very much tied up with actually running the conference and then we need a long holiday to not think about organizing conferences. :) Also, there is the Drupal Conference Organizing distribution which does a lot and has been a product of several years work by experienced Drupal developers. I don't think it's simple to magically make MediaWiki into wonderful conference software, as stuff like international payment processing is complex. If the GSOC project can be some small piece of what a Wikimania needs, that might be more feasible. Cheers, Katie I seek to work on building a Convention extension as part of the Google Summer of Code project.I have set up a proposal for the same , here is the link http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Chughakshay16/GSOCProposal(2012) . I haven't found a mentor to work with me for this project yet, so if anyone feels the need for this extension just the way I do, please feel free to add the feedback to the proposal page, or reply here. More information regarding this extension can be found here :- http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Chughakshay16/ConventionExtension Thanks , Akshay Chugh (irc - chughakshay16) No skilled MediaWiki administrators or developers have shown interest in mentoring this project, so right now it's unlikely to progress. If you think you could mentor him this summer, please reply to me and cc him at chughaksha...@gmail.com . Mentoring takes about five hours a week (communication, code review, design help, and so on). (He is applying to participate in Wikimedia Foundation's Google Summer of Code program -- details at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2012/management#GSoC_management_philosophy and https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2012 .) -- Sumana Harihareswara Volunteer Development Coordinator Wikimedia Foundation ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] help.wikimedia.org - QA site
I will be happy to set such a site for the Foundation, as soon as someone gives me the power to do so... the only development task is to connect existing software (probably OSQA) to Global login system... Btw, Erik, I actually like acting rather than talking and I am terribly frustrated from the nothing (maybe except Wikidata, but that is not WMF again) that is currently happening in Wikimedia... then it happens that if I talk you may think I am ill... which again actually may partly be true temporarily. Anyways I do not feel like having to excuse myself for such behavior... Linking the old thread: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/242379 2012/4/6 Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com: Great! Could you two please revise the current dormant proposal at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiAnswers And note that one of the active uses of the site would be a channel dedicated to QA about using the Wikimedia projects and MediaWiki? I think it is simpler and easier to say let's start a QA site, and focus on building a help channel there. As long as the site is up and maintained, you could answer other questions there as well. The WP:RefDesk has never been an ideal formal for answering questions or, more importantly, for aggregating and organizing answers over time so that it develops into a permanent reference resource. SJ On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Gregory Varnum gregory.var...@gmail.com wrote: I would be interested in helping with this project from a third-party wiki and MediaWiki developer perspective. -greg aka varnent On Apr 6, 2012, at 2:26 PM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 3:45 AM, Jan Kučera kozuc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi there, new projects suck, because there are (close to) none asked some time ago already with few positive replies bug was already filled at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29923 is there someone who can help move on? It looks like a good idea to me. Do you have any experience running one of those sites? As with any new project, a set of people signed up to help administer it / be initial contributors and editosr would be useful. So I think it's still valuable to create a page about it on meta as a 'new project' even though we haven't cleaned up the new project process there recently. SJ ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Samuel Klein identi.ca:sj w:user:sj +1 617 529 4266 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] help.wikimedia.org - QA site
Some modifications and requested info has been added to: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ask.wikimedia.org_(Q%26A_site) -greg aka varnent On Apr 6, 2012, at 2:52 PM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: Great! Could you two please revise the current dormant proposal at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiAnswers And note that one of the active uses of the site would be a channel dedicated to QA about using the Wikimedia projects and MediaWiki? I think it is simpler and easier to say let's start a QA site, and focus on building a help channel there. As long as the site is up and maintained, you could answer other questions there as well. The WP:RefDesk has never been an ideal formal for answering questions or, more importantly, for aggregating and organizing answers over time so that it develops into a permanent reference resource. SJ On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Gregory Varnum gregory.var...@gmail.com wrote: I would be interested in helping with this project from a third-party wiki and MediaWiki developer perspective. -greg aka varnent On Apr 6, 2012, at 2:26 PM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 3:45 AM, Jan Kučera kozuc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi there, new projects suck, because there are (close to) none asked some time ago already with few positive replies bug was already filled at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29923 is there someone who can help move on? It looks like a good idea to me. Do you have any experience running one of those sites? As with any new project, a set of people signed up to help administer it / be initial contributors and editosr would be useful. So I think it's still valuable to create a page about it on meta as a 'new project' even though we haven't cleaned up the new project process there recently. SJ ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Samuel Klein identi.ca:sj w:user:sj +1 617 529 4266 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] help.wikimedia.org - QA site
Take a look at toolserver.org/~mono/qua On Friday, April 6, 2012, Gregory Varnum wrote: Some modifications and requested info has been added to: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ask.wikimedia.org_(Q%26A_site) -greg aka varnent On Apr 6, 2012, at 2:52 PM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com javascript:; wrote: Great! Could you two please revise the current dormant proposal at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiAnswers And note that one of the active uses of the site would be a channel dedicated to QA about using the Wikimedia projects and MediaWiki? I think it is simpler and easier to say let's start a QA site, and focus on building a help channel there. As long as the site is up and maintained, you could answer other questions there as well. The WP:RefDesk has never been an ideal formal for answering questions or, more importantly, for aggregating and organizing answers over time so that it develops into a permanent reference resource. SJ On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Gregory Varnum gregory.var...@gmail.comjavascript:; wrote: I would be interested in helping with this project from a third-party wiki and MediaWiki developer perspective. -greg aka varnent On Apr 6, 2012, at 2:26 PM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.comjavascript:; wrote: On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 3:45 AM, Jan Kučera kozuc...@gmail.comjavascript:; wrote: Hi there, new projects suck, because there are (close to) none asked some time ago already with few positive replies bug was already filled at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29923 is there someone who can help move on? It looks like a good idea to me. Do you have any experience running one of those sites? As with any new project, a set of people signed up to help administer it / be initial contributors and editosr would be useful. So I think it's still valuable to create a page about it on meta as a 'new project' even though we haven't cleaned up the new project process there recently. SJ ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Samuel Klein identi.ca:sj w:user:sj +1 617 529 4266 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Sent from my iPad ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] help.wikimedia.org - QA site
Is there a more wiki like version of that platform available - or would development of such a platform be feasible and of interest to our volunteer developers? -greg On Apr 6, 2012, at 4:30 PM, Mono monom...@gmail.com wrote: Take a look at toolserver.org/~mono/qua On Friday, April 6, 2012, Gregory Varnum wrote: Some modifications and requested info has been added to: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ask.wikimedia.org_(Q%26A_site) -greg aka varnent On Apr 6, 2012, at 2:52 PM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com javascript:; wrote: Great! Could you two please revise the current dormant proposal at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiAnswers And note that one of the active uses of the site would be a channel dedicated to QA about using the Wikimedia projects and MediaWiki? I think it is simpler and easier to say let's start a QA site, and focus on building a help channel there. As long as the site is up and maintained, you could answer other questions there as well. The WP:RefDesk has never been an ideal formal for answering questions or, more importantly, for aggregating and organizing answers over time so that it develops into a permanent reference resource. SJ On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Gregory Varnum gregory.var...@gmail.comjavascript:; wrote: I would be interested in helping with this project from a third-party wiki and MediaWiki developer perspective. -greg aka varnent On Apr 6, 2012, at 2:26 PM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.comjavascript:; wrote: On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 3:45 AM, Jan Kučera kozuc...@gmail.comjavascript:; wrote: Hi there, new projects suck, because there are (close to) none asked some time ago already with few positive replies bug was already filled at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29923 is there someone who can help move on? It looks like a good idea to me. Do you have any experience running one of those sites? As with any new project, a set of people signed up to help administer it / be initial contributors and editosr would be useful. So I think it's still valuable to create a page about it on meta as a 'new project' even though we haven't cleaned up the new project process there recently. SJ ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Samuel Klein identi.ca:sj w:user:sj +1 617 529 4266 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Sent from my iPad ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] help.wikimedia.org - QA site
WOW, you guys are bashing the WMF for not supporting a legal nightmare, and yet another clone of an existing service (answers.yahoo.com). The legalities and paperwork necessary to avoid the WMF from getting their asses sued off for bad answers is probably a multi-year endeavor, and a money sink. How would such a system function without degrading into a crap pit? And how would that further the goals of the WMF? On Friday, April 6, 2012, Mono wrote: Take a look at toolserver.org/~mono/qua On Friday, April 6, 2012, Gregory Varnum wrote: Some modifications and requested info has been added to: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ask.wikimedia.org_(Q%26A_site) -greg aka varnent On Apr 6, 2012, at 2:52 PM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.comjavascript:;javascript:; wrote: Great! Could you two please revise the current dormant proposal at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiAnswers And note that one of the active uses of the site would be a channel dedicated to QA about using the Wikimedia projects and MediaWiki? I think it is simpler and easier to say let's start a QA site, and focus on building a help channel there. As long as the site is up and maintained, you could answer other questions there as well. The WP:RefDesk has never been an ideal formal for answering questions or, more importantly, for aggregating and organizing answers over time so that it develops into a permanent reference resource. SJ On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Gregory Varnum gregory.var...@gmail.com javascript:;javascript:; wrote: I would be interested in helping with this project from a third-party wiki and MediaWiki developer perspective. -greg aka varnent On Apr 6, 2012, at 2:26 PM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.comjavascript:; javascript:; wrote: On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 3:45 AM, Jan Kučera kozuc...@gmail.comjavascript:; javascript:; wrote: Hi there, new projects suck, because there are (close to) none asked some time ago already with few positive replies bug was already filled at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29923 is there someone who can help move on? It looks like a good idea to me. Do you have any experience running one of those sites? As with any new project, a set of people signed up to help administer it / be initial contributors and editosr would be useful. So I think it's still valuable to create a page about it on meta as a 'new project' even though we haven't cleaned up the new project process there recently. SJ ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; javascript:; Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; javascript:; Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Samuel Klein identi.ca:sj w:user:sj +1 617 529 4266 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; javascript:; Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; javascript:; Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Sent from my iPad ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] help.wikimedia.org - QA site
I believ you misinterpreted the use. This tool would only do users EDITing Wikipedia. On Friday, April 6, 2012, John wrote: WOW, you guys are bashing the WMF for not supporting a legal nightmare, and yet another clone of an existing service (answers.yahoo.com). The legalities and paperwork necessary to avoid the WMF from getting their asses sued off for bad answers is probably a multi-year endeavor, and a money sink. How would such a system function without degrading into a crap pit? And how would that further the goals of the WMF? On Friday, April 6, 2012, Mono wrote: Take a look at toolserver.org/~mono/qua On Friday, April 6, 2012, Gregory Varnum wrote: Some modifications and requested info has been added to: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ask.wikimedia.org_(Q%26A_site) -greg aka varnent On Apr 6, 2012, at 2:52 PM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.comjavascript:; javascript:;javascript:; wrote: Great! Could you two please revise the current dormant proposal at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiAnswers And note that one of the active uses of the site would be a channel dedicated to QA about using the Wikimedia projects and MediaWiki? I think it is simpler and easier to say let's start a QA site, and focus on building a help channel there. As long as the site is up and maintained, you could answer other questions there as well. The WP:RefDesk has never been an ideal formal for answering questions or, more importantly, for aggregating and organizing answers over time so that it develops into a permanent reference resource. SJ On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Gregory Varnum gregory.var...@gmail.com javascript:; javascript:;javascript:; wrote: I would be interested in helping with this project from a third-party wiki and MediaWiki developer perspective. -greg aka varnent On Apr 6, 2012, at 2:26 PM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.comjavascript:; javascript:; javascript:; wrote: On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 3:45 AM, Jan Kučera kozuc...@gmail.comjavascript:; javascript:; javascript:; wrote: Hi there, new projects suck, because there are (close to) none asked some time ago already with few positive replies bug was already filled at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29923 is there someone who can help move on? It looks like a good idea to me. Do you have any experience running one of those sites? As with any new project, a set of people signed up to help administer it / be initial contributors and editosr would be useful. So I think it's still valuable to create a page about it on meta as a 'new project' even though we haven't cleaned up the new project process there recently. SJ ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; javascript:; javascript:; Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; javascript:; javascript:; Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Samuel Klein identi.ca:sj w:user:sj +1 617 529 4266 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; javascript:; javascript:; Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; javascript:; javascript:; Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Sent from my iPad ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; javascript:; Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Sent from my iPad ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] help.wikimedia.org - QA site
Possibly, but maybe more trouble that it's worth. On Friday, April 6, 2012, Gregory Varnum wrote: Is there a more wiki like version of that platform available - or would development of such a platform be feasible and of interest to our volunteer developers? -greg On Apr 6, 2012, at 4:30 PM, Mono monom...@gmail.com javascript:; wrote: Take a look at toolserver.org/~mono/qua On Friday, April 6, 2012, Gregory Varnum wrote: Some modifications and requested info has been added to: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ask.wikimedia.org_(Q%26A_site) -greg aka varnent On Apr 6, 2012, at 2:52 PM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.comjavascript:;javascript:; wrote: Great! Could you two please revise the current dormant proposal at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiAnswers And note that one of the active uses of the site would be a channel dedicated to QA about using the Wikimedia projects and MediaWiki? I think it is simpler and easier to say let's start a QA site, and focus on building a help channel there. As long as the site is up and maintained, you could answer other questions there as well. The WP:RefDesk has never been an ideal formal for answering questions or, more importantly, for aggregating and organizing answers over time so that it develops into a permanent reference resource. SJ On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Gregory Varnum gregory.var...@gmail.com javascript:;javascript:; wrote: I would be interested in helping with this project from a third-party wiki and MediaWiki developer perspective. -greg aka varnent On Apr 6, 2012, at 2:26 PM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.comjavascript:; javascript:; wrote: On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 3:45 AM, Jan Kučera kozuc...@gmail.comjavascript:; javascript:; wrote: Hi there, new projects suck, because there are (close to) none asked some time ago already with few positive replies bug was already filled at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29923 is there someone who can help move on? It looks like a good idea to me. Do you have any experience running one of those sites? As with any new project, a set of people signed up to help administer it / be initial contributors and editosr would be useful. So I think it's still valuable to create a page about it on meta as a 'new project' even though we haven't cleaned up the new project process there recently. SJ ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; javascript:; Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; javascript:; Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Samuel Klein identi.ca:sj w:user:sj +1 617 529 4266 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; javascript:; Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; javascript:; Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Sent from my iPad ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Sent from my iPad ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] help.wikimedia.org - QA site
I'm unclear from a legal perspective how this presents a nightmare. In what ways do volunteers responding to QA's about Wikimedia projects and content present great challenges than existing efforts like enWP's Reference Desk and MW.org's Support desk? In regards to answers.yahoo.com - I think you may be misinterpreting the proposed initial scope. -greg On Apr 6, 2012, at 4:43 PM, John phoenixoverr...@gmail.com wrote: WOW, you guys are bashing the WMF for not supporting a legal nightmare, and yet another clone of an existing service (answers.yahoo.com). The legalities and paperwork necessary to avoid the WMF from getting their asses sued off for bad answers is probably a multi-year endeavor, and a money sink. How would such a system function without degrading into a crap pit? And how would that further the goals of the WMF? On Friday, April 6, 2012, Mono wrote: Take a look at toolserver.org/~mono/qua On Friday, April 6, 2012, Gregory Varnum wrote: Some modifications and requested info has been added to: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ask.wikimedia.org_(Q%26A_site) -greg aka varnent On Apr 6, 2012, at 2:52 PM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.comjavascript:;javascript:; wrote: Great! Could you two please revise the current dormant proposal at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiAnswers And note that one of the active uses of the site would be a channel dedicated to QA about using the Wikimedia projects and MediaWiki? I think it is simpler and easier to say let's start a QA site, and focus on building a help channel there. As long as the site is up and maintained, you could answer other questions there as well. The WP:RefDesk has never been an ideal formal for answering questions or, more importantly, for aggregating and organizing answers over time so that it develops into a permanent reference resource. SJ On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Gregory Varnum gregory.var...@gmail.com javascript:;javascript:; wrote: I would be interested in helping with this project from a third-party wiki and MediaWiki developer perspective. -greg aka varnent On Apr 6, 2012, at 2:26 PM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.comjavascript:; javascript:; wrote: On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 3:45 AM, Jan Kučera kozuc...@gmail.comjavascript:; javascript:; wrote: Hi there, new projects suck, because there are (close to) none asked some time ago already with few positive replies bug was already filled at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29923 is there someone who can help move on? It looks like a good idea to me. Do you have any experience running one of those sites? As with any new project, a set of people signed up to help administer it / be initial contributors and editosr would be useful. So I think it's still valuable to create a page about it on meta as a 'new project' even though we haven't cleaned up the new project process there recently. SJ ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; javascript:; Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; javascript:; Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Samuel Klein identi.ca:sj w:user:sj +1 617 529 4266 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; javascript:; Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; javascript:; Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Sent from my iPad ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] help.wikimedia.org - QA site
Fair enough - I could also go around and around on the value or challenge of using wiki style editing to help folks running into problems using wiki edit tools.. -greg On Apr 6, 2012, at 4:58 PM, Mono monom...@gmail.com wrote: Possibly, but maybe more trouble that it's worth. On Friday, April 6, 2012, Gregory Varnum wrote: Is there a more wiki like version of that platform available - or would development of such a platform be feasible and of interest to our volunteer developers? -greg On Apr 6, 2012, at 4:30 PM, Mono monom...@gmail.com javascript:; wrote: Take a look at toolserver.org/~mono/qua On Friday, April 6, 2012, Gregory Varnum wrote: Some modifications and requested info has been added to: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ask.wikimedia.org_(Q%26A_site) -greg aka varnent On Apr 6, 2012, at 2:52 PM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.comjavascript:;javascript:; wrote: Great! Could you two please revise the current dormant proposal at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiAnswers And note that one of the active uses of the site would be a channel dedicated to QA about using the Wikimedia projects and MediaWiki? I think it is simpler and easier to say let's start a QA site, and focus on building a help channel there. As long as the site is up and maintained, you could answer other questions there as well. The WP:RefDesk has never been an ideal formal for answering questions or, more importantly, for aggregating and organizing answers over time so that it develops into a permanent reference resource. SJ On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Gregory Varnum gregory.var...@gmail.com javascript:;javascript:; wrote: I would be interested in helping with this project from a third-party wiki and MediaWiki developer perspective. -greg aka varnent On Apr 6, 2012, at 2:26 PM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.comjavascript:; javascript:; wrote: On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 3:45 AM, Jan Kučera kozuc...@gmail.comjavascript:; javascript:; wrote: Hi there, new projects suck, because there are (close to) none asked some time ago already with few positive replies bug was already filled at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29923 is there someone who can help move on? It looks like a good idea to me. Do you have any experience running one of those sites? As with any new project, a set of people signed up to help administer it / be initial contributors and editosr would be useful. So I think it's still valuable to create a page about it on meta as a 'new project' even though we haven't cleaned up the new project process there recently. SJ ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; javascript:; Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; javascript:; Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Samuel Klein identi.ca:sj w:user:sj +1 617 529 4266 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; javascript:; Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; javascript:; Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Sent from my iPad ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Sent from my iPad ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] help.wikimedia.org - QA site
You might want to warn stackexchange ;-) Tom Morton On 6 Apr 2012, at 21:44, John phoenixoverr...@gmail.com wrote: WOW, you guys are bashing the WMF for not supporting a legal nightmare, and yet another clone of an existing service (answers.yahoo.com). The legalities and paperwork necessary to avoid the WMF from getting their asses sued off for bad answers is probably a multi-year endeavor, and a money sink. How would such a system function without degrading into a crap pit? And how would that further the goals of the WMF? On Friday, April 6, 2012, Mono wrote: Take a look at toolserver.org/~mono/qua On Friday, April 6, 2012, Gregory Varnum wrote: Some modifications and requested info has been added to: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ask.wikimedia.org_(Q%26A_site) -greg aka varnent On Apr 6, 2012, at 2:52 PM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.comjavascript:;javascript:; wrote: Great! Could you two please revise the current dormant proposal at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiAnswers And note that one of the active uses of the site would be a channel dedicated to QA about using the Wikimedia projects and MediaWiki? I think it is simpler and easier to say let's start a QA site, and focus on building a help channel there. As long as the site is up and maintained, you could answer other questions there as well. The WP:RefDesk has never been an ideal formal for answering questions or, more importantly, for aggregating and organizing answers over time so that it develops into a permanent reference resource. SJ On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Gregory Varnum gregory.var...@gmail.com javascript:;javascript:; wrote: I would be interested in helping with this project from a third-party wiki and MediaWiki developer perspective. -greg aka varnent On Apr 6, 2012, at 2:26 PM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.comjavascript:; javascript:; wrote: On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 3:45 AM, Jan Kučera kozuc...@gmail.comjavascript:; javascript:; wrote: Hi there, new projects suck, because there are (close to) none asked some time ago already with few positive replies bug was already filled at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29923 is there someone who can help move on? It looks like a good idea to me. Do you have any experience running one of those sites? As with any new project, a set of people signed up to help administer it / be initial contributors and editosr would be useful. So I think it's still valuable to create a page about it on meta as a 'new project' even though we haven't cleaned up the new project process there recently. SJ ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; javascript:; Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; javascript:; Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Samuel Klein identi.ca:sj w:user:sj +1 617 529 4266 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; javascript:; Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; javascript:; Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Sent from my iPad ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] help.wikimedia.org - QA site
Wasn't there a proposal a while back for a Stack Exchange [1] site like this? It seems like the ideal software for it. Although IMO if MediaWiki discussions are too confusing for new users, we should be concentrating on fixing that (*cough* LiquidThreads *cough*) rather than going to a different platform. Peter [1] http://stackexchange.com/ On 6 April 2012 21:58, Mono monom...@gmail.com wrote: Possibly, but maybe more trouble that it's worth. On Friday, April 6, 2012, Gregory Varnum wrote: Is there a more wiki like version of that platform available - or would development of such a platform be feasible and of interest to our volunteer developers? -greg On Apr 6, 2012, at 4:30 PM, Mono monom...@gmail.com javascript:; wrote: Take a look at toolserver.org/~mono/qua On Friday, April 6, 2012, Gregory Varnum wrote: Some modifications and requested info has been added to: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ask.wikimedia.org_(Q%26A_site) -greg aka varnent On Apr 6, 2012, at 2:52 PM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.comjavascript:;javascript:; wrote: Great! Could you two please revise the current dormant proposal at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiAnswers And note that one of the active uses of the site would be a channel dedicated to QA about using the Wikimedia projects and MediaWiki? I think it is simpler and easier to say let's start a QA site, and focus on building a help channel there. As long as the site is up and maintained, you could answer other questions there as well. The WP:RefDesk has never been an ideal formal for answering questions or, more importantly, for aggregating and organizing answers over time so that it develops into a permanent reference resource. SJ On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Gregory Varnum gregory.var...@gmail.com javascript:;javascript:; wrote: I would be interested in helping with this project from a third-party wiki and MediaWiki developer perspective. -greg aka varnent On Apr 6, 2012, at 2:26 PM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.comjavascript:; javascript:; wrote: On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 3:45 AM, Jan Kučera kozuc...@gmail.comjavascript:; javascript:; wrote: Hi there, new projects suck, because there are (close to) none asked some time ago already with few positive replies bug was already filled at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29923 is there someone who can help move on? It looks like a good idea to me. Do you have any experience running one of those sites? As with any new project, a set of people signed up to help administer it / be initial contributors and editosr would be useful. So I think it's still valuable to create a page about it on meta as a 'new project' even though we haven't cleaned up the new project process there recently. SJ ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; javascript:; Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; javascript:; Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Samuel Klein identi.ca:sj w:user:sj +1 617 529 4266 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; javascript:; Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; javascript:; Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Sent from my iPad ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Sent from my iPad ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] help.wikimedia.org - QA site
This site could be an interesting test ground for the developing visual editor and future LiquidThreads projects. I always feel a little weird when we develop new platforms rather than enhance the MediaWiki platform. -greg On Apr 6, 2012, at 5:07 PM, Peter Coombe thewub.w...@googlemail.com wrote: Wasn't there a proposal a while back for a Stack Exchange [1] site like this? It seems like the ideal software for it. Although IMO if MediaWiki discussions are too confusing for new users, we should be concentrating on fixing that (*cough* LiquidThreads *cough*) rather than going to a different platform. Peter [1] http://stackexchange.com/ On 6 April 2012 21:58, Mono monom...@gmail.com wrote: Possibly, but maybe more trouble that it's worth. On Friday, April 6, 2012, Gregory Varnum wrote: Is there a more wiki like version of that platform available - or would development of such a platform be feasible and of interest to our volunteer developers? -greg On Apr 6, 2012, at 4:30 PM, Mono monom...@gmail.com javascript:; wrote: Take a look at toolserver.org/~mono/qua On Friday, April 6, 2012, Gregory Varnum wrote: Some modifications and requested info has been added to: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ask.wikimedia.org_(Q%26A_site) -greg aka varnent On Apr 6, 2012, at 2:52 PM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.comjavascript:;javascript:; wrote: Great! Could you two please revise the current dormant proposal at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiAnswers And note that one of the active uses of the site would be a channel dedicated to QA about using the Wikimedia projects and MediaWiki? I think it is simpler and easier to say let's start a QA site, and focus on building a help channel there. As long as the site is up and maintained, you could answer other questions there as well. The WP:RefDesk has never been an ideal formal for answering questions or, more importantly, for aggregating and organizing answers over time so that it develops into a permanent reference resource. SJ On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Gregory Varnum gregory.var...@gmail.com javascript:;javascript:; wrote: I would be interested in helping with this project from a third-party wiki and MediaWiki developer perspective. -greg aka varnent On Apr 6, 2012, at 2:26 PM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.comjavascript:; javascript:; wrote: On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 3:45 AM, Jan Kučera kozuc...@gmail.comjavascript:; javascript:; wrote: Hi there, new projects suck, because there are (close to) none asked some time ago already with few positive replies bug was already filled at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29923 is there someone who can help move on? It looks like a good idea to me. Do you have any experience running one of those sites? As with any new project, a set of people signed up to help administer it / be initial contributors and editosr would be useful. So I think it's still valuable to create a page about it on meta as a 'new project' even though we haven't cleaned up the new project process there recently. SJ ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; javascript:; Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; javascript:; Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Samuel Klein identi.ca:sj w:user:sj +1 617 529 4266 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; javascript:; Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; javascript:; Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Sent from my iPad ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Sent from my iPad ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list
Re: [Foundation-l] Improving Wikipedia Information graphics
Steven Walling, 06/04/2012 00:39: These are fantastic. I don't see them on (EN) articles or Commons yet, though it's easy to miss... do the students need help uploading etc? All those images are hotlinked from Commons, or are we talking about different things? Some of them are in articles but could be made more prominent. David Richfield, 06/04/2012 20:23: Can we please also have information on how to update them, and source files? It's good to have brilliant graphics, but also very important to be able to recreate them. I guess not all students followed the best practice (and more will next time): some of those images are SVG. Nemo ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] help.wikimedia.org - QA site
On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 2:07 PM, Peter Coombe thewub.w...@googlemail.com wrote: Wasn't there a proposal a while back for a Stack Exchange [1] site like this? It seems like the ideal software for it. StackExchange and the open source OSQA equivalent are indeed powerful tools and worth experimenting with. Anyone wanting to set up a public instance of these or other tools to play with can do so through Wikimedia Labs and of course the toolserver. See https://labsconsole.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Access for Labs access and policies. We've focused on creating a more integrated help experience with two projects, the feedback dashboard (FD) and the teahouse. The FD gives new editors an opportunity to ask a question or register a complaint. It pops into view the moment you first click edit, which is a more obvious affordance than a separate help site you have to find out about and visit. It's been active on en.wp and nl.wp for a few months, and was recently activated on French Wikisource as well. On en.wp, we register about 100 feedback submissions a day, and about 30-50 responses. FD includes a few features which elevate it above ordinary talk page responses: - an in-line response tool on the dashboard itself which shortcuts the path to the user's talk page - a mark as helpful feature which the recipient of a message can use to indicate that they were helped. - friendly email notifications (not the standard talk page notifiers) - a leaderboard of top responders, which has been helpful at incentivizing participation FD for English Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:FeedbackDashboard FD for Dutch Wikipedia: http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciaal:DashboardTerugkoppeling FD for French Wikisource: http://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Sp%C3%A9cial:FeedbackDashboard We're currently letting the project sit for a while to gather metrics about any impact it has on editors who are being helped. The teahouse is a less technical and more social initiative: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse It is supported by some shiny templates and a nice little in-line response gadget. But it's primarily an effort to mobilize lots of people to engage in user-to-user help. As you can see, lots of folks have signed up as hosts (people who respond), and early metrics indicate that there's indeed a positive impact on retention. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Teahouse/Metrics IMO setting up a separate Q/A site would be in some ways a workaround for Wikimedia's poor internal discussion system, and would incur lots of disadvantages (detached from workflows, no easy login integration, no easy integration of wiki markup / templates, separate technical infrastructure with additional maintenance/scalability/security burden, need for additional policy development on copyright, terms of use, etc. ..). But it's worth experimenting with, for sure, if only to find out what UI/UX patterns are worth applying to our own solutions. LQT is on hold for now, because it's an overambitious and underresourced project. We're going to start work soon on this project: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Echo_(Notifications) This is a larger effort to improve Wikimedia's notifications infrastructure, and will lay the groundwork for messaging improvements, as well as other next generation features. We hope that we'll be able to improve user-to-user messaging features in this process, which would be a technical foundation for improved direct user support systems. For the tech side of things, our goals for next fiscal are still draft, but give a good idea what we're thinking about (pending approval of associated staffing/funding): https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Engineering/2012-13_Goals Erik -- Erik Möller VP of Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] WMF Engineering org charts
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 9:46 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: What about personal development? Do your managers play an active role in helping their reports develop with objectives, feedback, training, etc? Yes, of course. There's a standard $ allotment for each employee in the budget to support training, courses, coaching, etc. and managers/employees are encouraged to explore options together. In practice, some people take more advantage of this than others, of course -- and to be fair, some managers do a better job at it than others, which in my experience is more a function of management experience and personality than it is of number of reports. Gayle's office plays an important role in bringing fairness into the process, sharing info about development opportunities and options, setting standards about goal-setting and performance management, being available for deeper conversations, exploration of coaching options, etc. Erik -- Erik Möller VP of Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
