Re: [Foundation-l] A discussion list for Wikimedia (not Foundation) matters
În data de 1 martie 2012, 11:30, Benjamin Lees emufarm...@gmail.com a scris: This proposal seems fine to me, but I'm not sure it will address the issue you seem to be targeting (that discussions aren't held publicly). I'll go further and say that further splitting the lists will lead to more cross-posting and questions like where has this been discussed? Also, where does foundation stops and wikimedia begins? If names are that important for you, go ahead and rename foundation-l, but there is really no need for yet another list. Strainu ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] OSM license change
2012/1/22 MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com: Strainu wrote: Has anyone made an analysis on what the license change would mean to Wikipedia? Looking at the ODbL FAQ on the OSM website, it seems that using maps would not be affected. But what about using data from OSM in our articles? Also, my unterstanding is that reverse import of data (that is from Wikipedia to OSM) will be impossible after the change, right? You really ought to include links or at least spell out what you're talking about in (opening) posts. ODbL FAQ on the OSM website kind of made my head spin, and I knew two of the three. Sorry about that. :) I'm assuming the 3rd one is ODbL: Open database license, the new OpenStreetMap license. The link to the FAQ is: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License_FAQ#How_does_this_affect_Wikipedia_and_other_projects_that_want_to_use_our_maps.3F Strainu ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] OSM license change
Hi, Has anyone made an analysis on what the license change would mean to Wikipedia? Looking at the ODbL FAQ on the OSM website, it seems that using maps would not be affected. But what about using data from OSM in our articles? Also, my unterstanding is that reverse import of data (that is from Wikipedia to OSM) will be impossible after the change, right? Thanks, Strainu ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Bosnia's Top Cultural Institutions Shutting Down
2012/1/8 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com: So it sounds like the first thing we (in this case, local Wikipedians) should do is approach them and say We don't have money, but is there anything else we can positively help with? What's the programme? It's not so simple - you might very well find that there is no programme. While Romania's cultural institutions are far from the desperate situation in Bosnia, they have a tradition of doing just what the bosses are asking and little more. So if the Ministry of Culture is saying create a long term plan for conserving such or such category of artefacts, they will make and follow such a plan; otherwise, they will just go along as if degradation never happens. I expect you might find a somewhat similar situation in Bosnia - there is no boss (Ministry of Culture) and no money, so why make plans? The wikimedians willing to help should in this case concentrate on *creating* the links with institutions able to help the Bosnians either financially or with know-how. The Wiki Loves Monuments and other GLAM events showed that we have the contacts and willingness to make that happen. Anyhow, we need to consider that we've discussed this quite a lot already. Perhaps it's time for someone to take the lead on this? My personal view is that you, David, are a much better candidate than emijrp :) Strainu ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Bosnia's Top Cultural Institutions Shutting Down
2012/1/7 geni geni...@gmail.com: We can't say we care about all human knowledge when we give priority to cases depending on our birthplace. Yes and I'm British. The reality is that museums and libraries close all the time for various reasons. There isn't much we can do about it. The National and University Library of Bosnia and Herzegovina had 1.5 million books when it was largely destroyed in 1992. The British Library has just under 14 million books and 150 million documents total. The library of congress is much the same. So as I said slightly different league, That's an awful thing to say, but so specific to representatives of anglo-saxon culture (sic!). Why don't you think of it this way: The National and University Library of Bosnia and Herzegovina had X million books from Bosnian authors. How many does the British Library has? I'm guessing much less than X. Strainu ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] External free image repositories
Hi, Has the foundation ever expressed an opinion on using external free image repositories in WMF projects? The licensing policy only says that the content should be free, but without the specific limitations that are present on Commons. I was wondering if it would be acceptable for a project to serve (without hosting) content that is PD in another country (presumably the country with the project's language as an official language) but not in the US. And if it would be, how could we ensure that the project would indeed be for free images only? Thanks, Strainu ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] The Mediawiki 1.18 image rotation bug
2011/12/12 Möller, Carsten c.moel...@wmco.de: It's been a requested feature for a while, Someone finally got around to writing it Who has asked for such a silly feature? Many people indeed. I wanted that since I had my first camera with rotation exif data. Every uploader sees the image he/she is uploading and has made the necessary rotation beforehand. Not necessarely. An example is the Flickr pictures from pro accounts. Many such users upload their pictures in bulk, but they only rotate them after upload. This leaves the small, medium and large previews correctly rotated, but the original (which is uploaded on commons) remains non-rotated. i.e., was there strong reason to apply it to past images, not just new ones? Don't ask, you need no reason if you work directly with the WMF. No, there wasn't. But hey, there is no software without bugs and no people that never made mistakes. Strainu ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Meta main page
2011/9/29 Béria Lima berial...@gmail.com: As a IP is impossible (at least for me) and before someone complain: Yes, I'm sure my IP is identified as been Portuguese. Wikimedia Commons offers anonymous users the possibility to see the site in their (guessed) language AFAIK. I'm sure it's not rocket science to port that to meta if necessary. Perhaps you should log a bug on that? Strainu ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Dumps mirroring (was: Request: WMF commitment as a long term cultural archive?)
2011/9/21 emijrp emi...@gmail.com: Hi all; Just like the scripts to preserve wikis[1], I'm working in a new script to download all Wikimedia Commons images packed by day. But I have limited spare time. Sad that volunteers have to do this without any help from Wikimedia Foundation. I started too an effort in meta: (with low activity) to mirror XML dumps.[2] If you know about universities or research groups which works with Wiki[pm]edia XML dumps, they would be a possible successful target to mirror them. If you want to download the texts into your PC, you only need 100GB free and to run this Python script.[3] I heard that Internet Archive saves XML dumps quarterly or so, but no official announcement. Also, I heard about Library of Congress wanting to mirror the dumps, but not news since a long time. L'Encyclopédie has an uptime[4] of 260 years[5] and growing. Will Wiki[pm]edia projects reach that? Regards, emijrp [1] http://code.google.com/p/wikiteam/ [2] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mirroring_Wikimedia_project_XML_dumps [3] http://code.google.com/p/wikiteam/source/browse/trunk/wikipediadownloader.py [4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uptime [5] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encyclop%C3%A9die Hi emirjrp, I can understand why you would prefer to have full mirrors of the dumps, but let's face it, 10TB is not (yet) something that most companies/universities can easily spare. Also, most people only work on 1-5 versions of Wikipedia, the rest is just overhead to them. My suggestion would be to accept mirrors of a single language and have a smart interface at dumps.wikimedia.org that redirects requests to the location that is the best match for the user. This system is used by some Linux distributions (see download.opensuse.org for instance) with great success. Regards, Strainu ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Technical aspects of forking (was: 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter)
2011/9/17 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com: On 17 September 2011 10:16, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 7:11 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: We need people to try the technical basics of a fork, i.e. taking an en:wp dump, an images dump, .. Is there an images dump? If there isn't, there should be. (I'm now trying to work out how to get the images without using up all my bandwidth allowances ever.) I have no traffic limit on my home connection. Just ship a big enough storage device and I'll be happy to provide you a full dump :P Just kidding, of course. On a more serious note, what do you expect the difficulties to be? I believe the most difficult part would be to replicate the foundation's secret sauce, i.e. the configuration files that are not made public, if such thing exists. Then would come the whole traffic balancing/caching/optimization settings, which would greatly depend on the actual traffic a fork would have. Strainu ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter
Not really, no. What does german law have to do with reading or editing some website in Tampa or Virginia from somewhere in Asia? I can understand that german nationals cannot use that image, but whatabout other germen speakers? Strainu 2011/9/16 Liesel koehler-liese...@gmx.de: Your stupid! Am 16.09.2011 12:39, schrieb emijrp: Hi all; There are more issues with images in German Wikipedia. It is funny how German Wikipedia doesn't allow images[1] (image added by me[2] in de:, and later removed by other[3]) because they follow the most restrictive copyright law from Germany, Austria and Switzerland[note 1], but they are now against giving people the choice to hide images. I think that we can do a nice move here. We can enable image filter in German Wikipedia for all those who don't want to see copyrighted-images-for-German-law, meanwhile allowing other people to see all Commons splendour. Using the image filter to improve the rights of readers of German Wikipedia. Very cool, right? ; ) Regards, emijrp [1] http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bildrechte#Wikipedia_richtet_sich_nach_DACH-Recht [2] http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alexander_Knoxoldid=81377280 [3] http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Knox [note 1] I heard there are German speaking users outside Europe, right? I heard too that, from Germany, you can follow interwiki and see that images in other Wikipedias, right? So, what is the sense of that policy? Are not the servers in USA? 2011/9/16 Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com Dear readers Yesterday, on September 15th 2011, the German Wikipedia closed the poll (Meinungsbild) Einführung persönlicher Bildfilter. [1] It asked the question if the personal image filter can be introduced or if it should not be introduced. A strong majority of 86% percent voted to not allow the personal image filter [2] , despite the fact that the board already decided to introduce the feature. The questions are: * Will the board or the WMF proceed with the introduction of the personal image filter against the will of it's second largest community? * If the WMF/board does not care about the first question. Will it affect the way the personal image filter will be implemented? For example: Not for all projects. A different implementation as suggested inside the image filter referendum. * Will there be an attempt to follow this example and to question other communities the same question? Greetings from Tobias Oelgarte [1] http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meinungsbilder/Einf%C3%BChrung_pers%C3%B6nlicher_Bildfilter [2] http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meinungsbilder/Einf%C3%BChrung_pers%C3%B6nlicher_Bildfilter#Auswertung ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter
German laws matter for german citizend. It's still not clear what that means for the rest of us (except that de.wp took a decision) 2011/9/16 emijrp emi...@gmail.com: Again, who are we? And why do German laws matter with USA servers? Why does only German Wikipedia exclude that images? Are English Wikipedia or Commons blocked in Germany? By the way, not all German Wikipedians/readers are under German laws. And I don't remember any Wikipedia removing content to respect Chinese local laws when Wikipedia was blocked there. 2011/9/16 Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com Very simple: There is the Schutzlandprinzip. [1] To bad that EN has no article for it. But you can read the following articles to understand why this example was stupid, and that we bound to this laws, even if the servers are at nirvana: * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berne_Convention_for_the_Protection_of_Literary_and_Artistic_Works * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agreement_on_Trade-Related_Aspects_of_Intellectual_Property_Rights * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Intellectual_Property_Organization_Copyright_Treaty * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Convention_for_the_Protection_of_Industrial_Property [1] http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schutzlandprinzip Am 16.09.2011 13:01, schrieb Strainu: Not really, no. What does german law have to do with reading or editing some website in Tampa or Virginia from somewhere in Asia? I can understand that german nationals cannot use that image, but whatabout other germen speakers? Strainu 2011/9/16 Lieselkoehler-liese...@gmx.de: Your stupid! Am 16.09.2011 12:39, schrieb emijrp: Hi all; There are more issues with images in German Wikipedia. It is funny how German Wikipedia doesn't allow images[1] (image added by me[2] in de:, and later removed by other[3]) because they follow the most restrictive copyright law from Germany, Austria and Switzerland[note 1], but they are now against giving people the choice to hide images. I think that we can do a nice move here. We can enable image filter in German Wikipedia for all those who don't want to see copyrighted-images-for-German-law, meanwhile allowing other people to see all Commons splendour. Using the image filter to improve the rights of readers of German Wikipedia. Very cool, right? ; ) Regards, emijrp [1] http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bildrechte#Wikipedia_richtet_sich_nach_DACH-Recht [2] http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alexander_Knoxoldid=81377280 [3] http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Knox [note 1] I heard there are German speaking users outside Europe, right? I heard too that, from Germany, you can follow interwiki and see that images in other Wikipedias, right? So, what is the sense of that policy? Are not the servers in USA? 2011/9/16 Tobias Oelgartetobias.oelga...@googlemail.com Dear readers Yesterday, on September 15th 2011, the German Wikipedia closed the poll (Meinungsbild) Einführung persönlicher Bildfilter. [1] It asked the question if the personal image filter can be introduced or if it should not be introduced. A strong majority of 86% percent voted to not allow the personal image filter [2] , despite the fact that the board already decided to introduce the feature. The questions are: * Will the board or the WMF proceed with the introduction of the personal image filter against the will of it's second largest community? * If the WMF/board does not care about the first question. Will it affect the way the personal image filter will be implemented? For example: Not for all projects. A different implementation as suggested inside the image filter referendum. * Will there be an attempt to follow this example and to question other communities the same question? Greetings from Tobias Oelgarte [1] http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meinungsbilder/Einf%C3%BChrung_pers%C3%B6nlicher_Bildfilter [2] http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meinungsbilder/Einf%C3%BChrung_pers%C3%B6nlicher_Bildfilter#Auswertung ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation
Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter
2011/9/16 Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com: We (the German authors) are bound to German law, since the page is directed at an major German readership (Schutzlandprinzip). But we also have to take care of US-law, since the servers are hosted inside the US. The later applies for the content the WMF hosts, not for us German contributers. But to be nice, we consider US-law as well. Tobias, that I can understand. What I don't understand is why one should call emijrp stupid instead of explaining that this is a German Wikipedia rule ment to protect the majority of users users from inadvertently breaking the law of their country. And I still don't understand why you called that example stupid. Strainu ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] On curiosity, cats and scapegoats
2011/9/14 Andre Engels andreeng...@gmail.com: On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 6:37 PM, Marcin Cieslak sa...@saper.info wrote: I am especially interested in countries where access to information is restricted by the environment, for example by governments, whether the same reasoning applies to them as to less restrictive regions. Probably, although there might be additional cases where they want to block images, not because they themselves disagree with them, but because possession on their computer might be illegal for them. My understanding is the images WILL be downloaded, just as collapsed tables are downloaded. So with or without the filter would not make much of a difference for the people Saper is talking about. Strainu ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wiki Loves Monuments (Was: On curiosity, cats and scapegoats)
Hi Naoko, Thanks for your pointers. What I'm seeing this year is that in order to go global, we'll probably need around 10 people to coordinate the event (I'm thinking that this year there were only 2 people involved in all the steps and a few more that helped in different areas). This means that it's not too early to start talking about WLM2012, but perhaps a better place for this is the WikiLovesMonuments lists. We would like to see you participate in discussions there :) Thanks, Strainu 2011/9/13 KIZU Naoko aph...@gmail.com: Hello there, Japan has a such (thanks Yaroslave for your concern) and iirc Taiwan has too. Perhaps other countries. If people are ambition enough to spread coordination efforts to the large international orgs, I'd point out not only UNESCO but also International Society of Aesthetics would be a good candidate to contact. In particular where the government doesn't provide such a list. ISA itself won't be so excited but you could ask them to have you contact to the local appropriate associations which are keen and open to collaborate with guys coming outsides from adacemia. On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 6:04 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru wrote: @Yaroslav: the main reason to focus on Europe this year was the large concentration, intergovernmental support (European Commission Council of Europe) and lack of resources (mainly man power). If there are next year enough people to carry on the idea, I'm sure we can include more countries, *if* the concept works for them. ... Finally a note about chapters. Yes, having a chapter is very helpful - usually it is a group of organized volunteers who has existing experience with media and volunteer coordination (because some coordination is necessary) and they have access to some kind of budgeting / bank accounts. But also this is very practical - this year four countries without any chapter participated: Andorra (with the help of Amical), Belgium Luxembourg (with a lot of dedicated volunteers, mostly in Belgium) and Romania (with the help of a local pro-linux association and local volunteers). So there is definitely no rule against chapters without a chapter to participate, but it does require a steeper learning curve, and some extra dedication. Well, as one example, we had some private correspondence about involvement of Russia: The chapter failed to organize anything, mostly because they failed to realize that the database they were pointed out to is workable, they did not want or dis not manage to contact other people who understand the subject, and there was no way for any other group of people to organize the contest. As the result, I just had to fill up the (previously empty) category WLM 2011 in Russia myself single-handedly, not obviously expecting any credit for this, but just to avoid creating an impression that there are no monuments in Russia. Also, if there was no group let us give a random example - in Macedonia - who wanted to organize the contest, still it would be a good idea to open a category for WLM in Macedonia, just to get a chance to indeed involve new people and to possibly get a number of good quality image previously missing. Especially if people would know this in advance and could take pictures for instance during the summer holidays. Just to be understood correctly, I think WLM is in general a good idea, and my criticism is not to undermine it is any way, but to possibly create some input for the next time. (I am a WLM supporter and I uploaded so far I believe about 1% of the total amount of images). Cheers Yaroslav ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- KIZU Naoko / 木津尚子 member of Wikimedians in Kansai / 関西ウィキメディアユーザ会 http://kansai.wikimedia.jp ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] On curiosity, cats and scapegoats
2011/9/9 Jimmy Wales jwa...@wikia-inc.com: If you don't like the feature, then don't use it. Every single proposal I've seen on this feature from the staff assumed that the filter will be enabled by default and could (perhaps) be disabled. Did I miss something? Strainu ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] On curiosity, cats and scapegoats
2011/9/9 FT2 ft2.w...@gmail.com: No. Same as you can't tell most preferences a user has set, or which articles they watch. In simple terms, the filter code only filters content when user prefs say so, and other users can't tell what filter prefs a user has or what code is executed client-side (ie in their browser not at the server) without actual access to their computer. FT2 That is not entirely true. It is theoretically feasible to get the categories from the api and then call the code that hides the images for the images that match a category. How practical it is remains to be seen. Strainu ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Chapters
2011/8/30 Ilario Valdelli valde...@gmail.com: On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 1:04 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: But then, central planning is famous for its notable successes in economics. Ok, but is WMF an economic institution? As a neutral observer (i.e. not a member of any chapter) I can honestly say it's beginning to act as one. Are chapters branches of WMF? Apparently they will become just that from what I understand from this thread The notable successes should be in no profit organizations. I think David made an ironic reference to communism here :) The thing is, central planning works well for small-size entities. But is the WMF still a small size entity? They say they are, cos' their budget is so tiny etc., etc., but I think you can't expand worldwide and still call yourself small. It just doesn't make sense. Strainu ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] How to free something from Wikipedia in the public domain?
Hi, I was wondering if there is any way to officially free Wikipedia content under PD/CC-0? What procedure should one follow to use that data on another website with an incompatible license? Assumptions: we are talking about a single version of the page with only one or just a few authors, and all authors have accepted to release the data in the public domain. Possible answers I have considered: - a message from each author in the talk page of the article (pros: easy to implement, wiki-based; cons: language barrier) - a message to OTRS (cons: afaik, OTRS messages to WMF are only considered official by the WMF itself) Thanks, Strainu ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] How to free something from Wikipedia in the public domain?
2011/8/26 Strainu strain...@gmail.com: Assumptions: we are talking about a single version of the page with only one or just a few authors, and all authors have accepted to release the data in the public domain. As I said before, I am targeting only a very specific subset of pages, where contacting the authors won't be a problem. 2011/8/26 WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com: It might be easier to persuade whatever the organisation it is that insists on PD to broaden their stance and become compatible with us. Actually, this is about handling the import of Wiki Loves Monuments data in OSM. Kolossos raised this on a OSM list: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/OSM-legal-talk-license-for-quot-Wiki-Loves-Monuments-quot-td6363317.html OSM is currently trying to get away from CCBYSA. :) I'm inssiting on PD instead of ODBL because I find it easier to explain the concept to the other contributors that send them to read the text of yet another license. 2011/8/26 Fae fae...@gmail.com: Sounds a little problematic depending on the details. If the text was released on Wikipedia first, then the contributors agreed to release your contribution under the CC-BY-SA 3.0 License. If the all the authors of the article can identify themselves as the same people who contributed under the named accounts for the original Wikipedia article then release to PD is no problem, in practice few articles only have a history of contributors who are using accounts associated with their legal identities. That's precisely why I asked the question. The WMF have a procedure for that, but other entities don't (or I'm not aware of it). Strainu ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] en.wp HACKED?
2011/6/18 Peter Gervai grin...@gmail.com: On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 10:13, Domas Mituzas midom.li...@gmail.com wrote: What was it that lasted only a minute, Chris? Vandalism, probably. I've read an article that vandalism lasts about a minute! Impossible. I'm sure one minute has passed but I still see vandalism occasionally. :-) :))) Can you please license that with CCBYSA so we can make it a tagline? :D Strainu ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] content ownership in different projects
I think that such a policy could not be fundamentally different in other languages, since they all have the same license. However, the wording could be improved, for instance by explaining WHY one cannot consider himself as the owner of an article: by accepting the CC-BY-SA license, one gives up a significant amount of the rights and control offered by copyright laws. And this is not only from a legal POV, this is also true from a common sense perspective: more people approaching a problem often lead to better result than a single individual trying to solve that problem. From what I see, presenting the rule, but not the reasons behind it, is the main problem of the English version of WP:OWN. Strainu 2011/6/17 Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il: The problem of content ownership hits any wiki at some point. In the English Wikipedia it is governed by a policy called WP:OWN [1]. There's a similar policy in the Hebrew Wikipedia. Is this policy any different in other projects? I am asking, because i agree with the English Wikipedia's policy in principle, but the reality is that sometimes instead of helping people write together, this policy drives people away from the project - people who could be very positive contributors, but who don't like their contributions edited by others without being asked. So i am wondering: maybe en.wp and he.wp can learn something from other languages here? Thank you, [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Ownership_of_articles -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace. - T. Moore ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] content ownership in different projects
2011/6/17 Strainu strain...@gmail.com: Think about a CC-BY-NC-ND wiki. Theoretically, one could only add content to that wiki, not edit what has already been written. Actually, I'm not even sure you could add content to articles on a CC-BY-NC-ND wiki. Would have to check with a lawyer... Strainu ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikis and the direction hardware is taking
2011/6/14 Tomasz Finc tf...@wikimedia.org: As always .. come by to our mobile project pages on meta at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mobile_Projects and let us know how we can best iterate and improve. I see no mention there of a roadmap for mobile editing, which I think was the main issue BirgitteSB raised. Do you have a plan for that in the future? Thanks, Strainu ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Elections email
I think the system did NOT work for you :) It seems strange to send
the same email in several languages. I only received it in Romanian. I
think this is taken based on your language preferences (on meta?)
Strainu
2011/6/10 Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il:
Hallo,
I just received an email (see below) that invites me to participate in
the elections.
There are several technical issues with it:
1. I already voted. It may be a good idea to send this only to people
who didn't.
2. The subject says 2009.
3. The email is sent in English and Hebrew. I don't know how did the
system find out that that is my preferred language, so it's a bit
weird, but in general i'm happy about this localization. There is
still a problem, however: since the text is bidirectional and this
email is sent in plain text, the Hebrew text is garbled and hardly
readable. One way to solve this is to send the email as HTML and to
define the Hebrew part as dir=rtl. This is relevant for all RTL
languages - Arabic, Farsi, Urdu, Pashto, Divehi and many others.
Thank you,
--
Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי
http://aharoni.wordpress.com
We're living in pieces,
I want to live in peace. - T. Moore
הודעה שהועברה
מאת: Wikimedia Board Elections Committee
board-electi...@lists.wikimedia.org
תאריך: 10 ביוני 2011 14:56
נושא: Wikimedia Foundation Elections 2009
אל: Amire80 amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il
Dear Amire80,
You are eligible to vote in the 2011 elections for the Board of
Trustees of the Wikimedia Foundation, which operates projects such as
Wikipedia. The Board of Trustees is the decision-making body that is
ultimately responsible for the long term sustainability of the
Foundation, so we value wide input into its selection.
For more information, please see
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Board_elections/2011/en . To remove
yourself from future notification, please add your user name at
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_nomail_list .
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שלום Amire80,
הנך זכאי להשתתף בבחירות 2011 לחבר הנאמנים של קרן ויקימדיה, המפעילה
מספר מיזמים כגון Wikipedia.
חבר הנאמנים הוא הגוף המחליט הנושא באחריות הכוללת לקיומה של הקרן בטווח
הארוך, ולכן אנו מקבלים בברכה השתתפות רחבה בבחירתו.
למידע נוסף, אנא ראו please see
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Board_elections/2011/he . להסרת שמך
מקבלת הודעות דומות בעתיד, אנא צרפו את שמכם בדף
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_nomail_list .
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Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia Editor and Google Chrome
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Re: [Foundation-l] Scheduled intermittent downtime on all Wikimedia projects on May 24
What I understood from this thread is: if you have a planned maintenance windows between 13 and 14 GMT, it would be appreciated if you could: - create a simple page that says: We are working on our servers between 13 and 14 GMT and Wikipedia might be unavailable during that time - replace the usual error message with the newly created page as close as possible to 12:59 - reinstate the usual error message at 14:01 (or whenever the maintenance ends) Nobody (of the millions of anonymous users) really cares about whether a certain db server is down or up at 13:49, or some router is rebooting at 13:23. They just wanna know when they can come back to read about spark plugs (sic!). AFAIK, this is the way big websites like Yahoo do it. It seems like a simple thing to do, so perhaps you could explain calmly and without ironies where is the difficulty? Strainu 2011/5/25 Domas Mituzas midom.li...@gmail.com: Hi! That's... completely missing the point. Yes the specific errors faced were unexpected or unforseen, BUT they were a* direct result* of the maintenance between 13:00 and 14:00. I am simply passing on the feeling of our readership; which was that the situation was badly communicated to them. As majority of our users are anons, who visit us once a day or two, we should probably have started a communication campaign at least two months before the maintenance. We practice a lot during fundraisers :-) OTOH, if there's no downtime, maybe we're causing quite some frustration with superfluous communication? :-) I am trying to share my experience here as a sysadmin and website operator; Oh, finally we got some sysadmins and website operators here. As a sysadmin you sure understand that in larger distributed systems which are not all built on a set of SPOFs there can be various failure modes, happening at various layers and various fuzziness. As a website operator you sure know that it is lots of effort to prepare boilerplates for every possible situation :-) users hate downtime/maintenance, and will complain about it endlessly. You have some annoying users, our users are awesome and don't complain endlessly! Improving our communication of planned maintenance is definitely a good idea. So is curing cancer. Marcus Buck wrote: Domas, what are you trying to achieve with your comments on Tom's suggestions? Put some clue in? The sensible reaction (from a person who is involved in the maintenance) would be: I know nobody likes this, but sensible reaction is to work on good operation rather than standing in front of a mirror and trying five hundred different I'm sorry phrases. You look too much from that single position, that communication is good, without weighting costs or other options. Cheers, Domas ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Scheduled intermittent downtime on all Wikimedia projects on May 24
2011/5/25 Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org: On 25/05/11 22:27, Strainu wrote: What I understood from this thread is: if you have a planned maintenance windows between 13 and 14 GMT, it would be appreciated if you could: - create a simple page that says: We are working on our servers between 13 and 14 GMT and Wikipedia might be unavailable during that time - replace the usual error message with the newly created page as close as possible to 12:59 - reinstate the usual error message at 14:01 (or whenever the maintenance ends) There are dozens of places where error messages are generated. It's not trivial to replace them all. Some of them are hard-coded in compiled binaries, some are on the client side. [...] I kind of anticipated that response, but it's nice to have it written somewhere. I think it is now clear for everybody why there is a need for more sysadmins and/or developers to handle such issues. I believe much of this thread could have been avoided (and this means less time wasted writing emails for you guys) if you had stated that in your first email. Strainu ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] CentralNotice use
2011/5/19 church.of.emacs.ml church.of.emacs...@googlemail.com: 2. Reduce weight - don't display a banner on every page view, but only on one in ten. (We have to use blank banners to do that, right?[3]) 3. Reduce duration. (e.g. Don't display banners for a month, only a week) I think such measures would bring more complaints like the ones we've had for the survey in late April., where people complained they did not have a chance to respond to the survey because they hadn't noticed the banner. Strainu ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Copyright problems of images from India
2011/5/10 Sreejith K. sreejithk2...@gmail.com: I wonder how the citizenship of the author helps. The only thing that is of importance in a PD claim is the date of first publishing. Not really. For instance, in Europe the copyright protection runs for 70 years from the DEATH of the author, not the first publish date. So if the author is European (or American, for that matter), the picture might not yet be PD. I don't know the rules in India, but perhaps there the protection period runs from the publication date, in which case the citizenship of the author is important. Strainu ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Editor survey - finished?
2011/4/27 church.of.emacs.ml church.of.emacs...@googlemail.com: On 04/27/2011 04:54 PM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: Now people are complaining that they can't see the banner. I tried telling them to clean the cookies and it didn't help; i tried it myself, and it doesn't help me either. BTW, next time a static link to the survey would be useful. Some Wikipedians had problems seeing the banner. Either they missed it or they disabled banners via vector.css (and forgot about it). Deleting cookies isn't easy for everyone as well. I suggest making a mini-Extension with a special page that automatically redirects to the survey (or alternatively lists all surveys and links to them). Then we (the unofficially appointed Editor Survey ambassador) could just point people to that page. Regards, Tobias That's a great idea! I've seen the same problem you describe (although after the survey had ended). Strainu ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] How to get past a decision that nobody can take
Hi, I personally enjoy the independence that each project has in the Wikimedia universe. Therefore, I've given much thought on wether I should write this email. Bun in the situation I will present below, I really don't know what more can be done according to the current policies in effect on my home wiki (ro.wikipedia). I ask your help in finding a path to follow. One of our users has created a page for tracking mistakes made by other users [1], which propted protests from other users, including myself [2]. Eventually, I asked for the deletion of the page at the Romanian equivalent of [[WP:AFD]] on 20th of February [3]. The rules for deleting the pages are very much the same as on en.wp (see [[:en:WP:NotEarly]]), however the user page rules are not quite the same as on en.wp. There is an ongoing debate on ro.wp on using en.wp rules when missing an equivalent policy. this was used by the user who created the page in his defense. On ro.wp it sometimes happens that decisions on deleting pages take much longer than a week, so I would expect a decision to be made sometime soon. However, this request is special because all the active sysops are either present in the page in question or were involved in the discussions about it, so it would be unfair of them to close it. What do you think the following steps should be? Should we call some of the other sysops from retirement? Should we appeal to someone from the arbcom on en.wp? Thanks, Strainu [1] http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilizator:Turbojet/Gre%C8%99eli [2] http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reclama%C8%9Bii#Utilizator:Turbojet [3] http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Pagini_de_%C8%99ters#Utilizator:Turbojet.2FGre.C8.99eli ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Changes to the identification policies and procedures
2011/2/5 Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com: On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Birgitte SB birgitte...@yahoo.com wrote: My real, huge, jaw-hitting-the-floor, issue with your response is that you preferred the news about an upcoming change trickl[e] out into the community prior to an official announcement (gossip) over a posting to foundation-l. You just don't get it. I do not mean that gossip should be preferred over public announcements as standard operating procedure. Considering that I've made numerous announcements about my work to this very list (IRC office hours, 10th anniversary organizing etc.) I think that's clear. What I meant is that there is no way to prevent informal discussion about something that has yet to be announced, so there's no reason to fret over it. What I *do *find unhelpful is publicly posting about sensitive topic when you know in advance that people aren't prepared to answer questions about it yet. How about giving up the whole announcing thing that seems to become the norm lately and going with redacting the policy with the community? I second fully what Aaron Adrignola said above. I could find no discussion about this on the OTRS wiki, and the otrs-en list is not for every OTRS volunteer. I personally do not feel willing to give up my private data to WMF or any other organisation in the US for that matter, and there is no chapter in my country. It's more than enough that I gave my real name. Imposing this decision without consultation with the whole community, or AT LEAST with all the OTRS volunteers is very poor judgement from the Foundation. Anyway, was there an event prompting this change or you just thought it was a great idea to get some IDs from the volunteers? Strainu ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Translatewiki illustrates how low internationalisation is in the priorities of the Wikimedia Foundation
2011/1/28 MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com: Strainu wrote: These messages can be improved by introducing internal links and references to wiki* policies. Why do you hate Wiktionary? ;-) MZMcBride Nice one :) Actually I could go on for ages on why wiktionary is bad , but that would be disrespectful to the people working on it and simply not the reason I said wiki*. If you want, we can take this off-list. Strainu ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Translatewiki illustrates how low internationalisation is in the priorities of the Wikimedia Foundation
2011/1/27 Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il: 2011/1/27 Teofilo teofilow...@gmail.com: Before Translatewiki existed it was possible for Wikimedia/Wikipedia users to improve the translation of the Mediawiki software's message used on their project into their own language. It is no longer possible now, As Chad said, it's still possible and it's often done in many wikis. It's even recommendable to do it. The messages on TranslateWiki should be generic and without internal links, because they might be used on different websites. These messages can be improved by introducing internal links and references to wiki* policies. * Or open an account on a non-Wikimedia project, which means providing non-Wikimedia managers access to your personal data. That means you are loosing the guarantees of http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Privacy_policy (the guarantee that your data are accessed only exceptionally and in such exceptional cases, always handled by people trusted by the Wikimedia Foundation) Translatewiki.net has a privacy policy, too. That's one of the reasons I proposed the implementation of an open-id provider using the Wikimedia login (i.e. being able to login to translatewiki and other websites using your wikipedia password) I ask the Wikimedia Foundation to support people involved in translation work, rather than expell them to non-Wikimedia projects. I do hope that the collaboration between Translatewiki.net and the WMF will become tighter, but there's nothing terribly broken in the way things work now. Still, it would make sense to allow some trusted user svn access to the translations. Bug 24951 is open for 6 months now because some of the translations aren't automatically updated and the review backlog hasn't reached the relevant revision. Strainu ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Again: January 15 retro?
2011/1/11 Casey Brown li...@caseybrown.org:
On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 6:41 AM, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote:
so... to conclude the discussion on this topic, which went rather sideways,
there seems to be a broad support for the retro logo - also at least in the
local nlwiki community. What would be the steps to take to make this happen?
You would have to make sure that there was strong community consensus
for the places you wanted to enable this. Then, to enable it, you
would either have to ask a sysadmin to set the wiki's logo path to the
old logo (create a bug and say when you need this done) or you would
have to add something like this to the wiki's Common.js:
#p-logo a {
background: url(path) 35% 50% no-repeat !important;
}
Doesn't replacing File:Wiki.png work on every wiki?
Strainu
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[Foundation-l] Wikipedia 10 - press release
Hi, I suppose there is (or will be) a press release prepared for the 15th, marking Wikipedia's tenth anniversary. I was wondering if the community could get the text a little earlier, so we can translate it? I'm sure there will be some articles on the subject in every country and it would be good to have a localized version sent to press organizations. Thanks, Strainu ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] How to contact the foundation's legal department?
Hi, How can one contact the Foundation's legal department nowadays? I can find no contact email address, just the WMF Legal user account and I would rather not leave a message on the talk page. Thanks, Strainu. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wiki[p/m]edia
At first thought, this proposal seemed like a branding suicide, but considering the enormous difference in awareness between Wikipedia and the other brands, it could be a subject worth discussing. It would also help avoid composed word that sometimes sound strange or are just plain weird in languages other than English. Strainu 2010/12/10 dex2...@pc.dk: I was about to write a suggestion similar to the one indicated by Ziko van Dijk. I second it and recommend that the following be given serious consideration: Change as soon as practically possible the naming of the Foundation to the Wikipedia Foundation and the naming of the projects to Wikipedia, Wikipedia Commons, Wikipedia Books, Wikipedia Wiktionary etc. That would simplify matters enormously while at the same time broadening the Wikipedia brand to all projects in a much more effective and comprehensible way. We would of course still talk internally about Commons, Wikibooks, Wiktionary and so on for the sake of brevity. It is never too late... Regards, Sir48/Thyge, da:wiki - Original meddelelse - Ziko van Dijk zvand...@googlemail.com [mailto:zvand...@googlemail.com] wrote: Whether the names amplify the problem, whether Wikimedia was a good name choice - maybe WMF should rename itself The Wikipedia Foundation and call Wiktionary The Wikipedia Dictionary and so on. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] The OpenStreetMap license change will impact data imports?
Hi all, I'm analyzing the OSM license change [0] and the effects it will have on data interchange between Wikipedia and OSM. At [1] they say that there should be no change for maps, but I'm not clarified on how (and if) will I be able to import batches of OSM data in Wikipedia after the license change (for instance add the postal codes of all the villages in a country to an Infobox template). Can someone clarify this and the reverse case (import data from Wikipedia in OSM) please? Thanks, Strainu [0] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License_FAQ#How_does_this_affect_Wikipedia_and_other_projects_that_want_to_use_our_maps.3F ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] A question for American Wikimedians
2010/11/18 Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org: So for 200 years it's OK to classify anyone with a drop of African blood as black (and subject them to all forms of racism and discrimination), but once a 1/2 African is elected president, he can't be called black all the sudden? References: [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_Integrity_Act [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule Ryan Kaldari My mail was not about whether calling Obama black is OK or not OK. What's OK in the US might not be OK in Europe and vice-versa. I've made the point that different cultures have a different vision of races and especially about people of mixed origin. What is not OK from my POV is people finding offensive to call him almost black or anything else than black, as Steven Walling suggested, that I don't really understand. It seems to me like the fact (anthropological fact, that is) is skewed to...what purpose exactly? But again, this is a European's POV, perhaps in the States it really is necessary to call Barack Obama black. Strainu On 11/17/10 2:18 PM, Strainu wrote: 2010/11/17wjhon...@aol.com: In a message dated 11/17/2010 1:23:04 PM Pacific Standard Time, steven.wall...@gmail.com writes: Also, point of quibbling as an American: not looking to argue about it, but Obama is generally thought of as African American, as it says in the second sentence of his en.wiki article. It might offend people if you try and say our President isn't black. Obama is exactly half-black and half-white. Funny how he is African American but of course he is equally Caucasian American Which shows only hot dangerous political correctness can get. I wonder if in 2050, when the white population will no longer be be in majority, such a person will be called an European-American... For those of you who speak other languages than English, I suggest reading the English, French, Spanish, Italian and/or German versions of en:Mulatto. You will get an extraordinary glimpse of what different groups consider relevant about this subject - the French have an interesting comparison of the term in several languages. I suppose it's intellectually dishonest to claim that most American blacks are part white, since it's possibly also true that most American whites are part black Citation needed?:P Strainu ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] A question for American Wikimedians
2010/11/17 wjhon...@aol.com: In a message dated 11/17/2010 1:23:04 PM Pacific Standard Time, steven.wall...@gmail.com writes: Also, point of quibbling as an American: not looking to argue about it, but Obama is generally thought of as African American, as it says in the second sentence of his en.wiki article. It might offend people if you try and say our President isn't black. Obama is exactly half-black and half-white. Funny how he is African American but of course he is equally Caucasian American Which shows only hot dangerous political correctness can get. I wonder if in 2050, when the white population will no longer be be in majority, such a person will be called an European-American... For those of you who speak other languages than English, I suggest reading the English, French, Spanish, Italian and/or German versions of en:Mulatto. You will get an extraordinary glimpse of what different groups consider relevant about this subject - the French have an interesting comparison of the term in several languages. I suppose it's intellectually dishonest to claim that most American blacks are part white, since it's possibly also true that most American whites are part black Citation needed?:P Strainu ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] A question for American Wikimedians
2010/11/18 Strainu strain...@gmail.com: 2010/11/17 wjhon...@aol.com: In a message dated 11/17/2010 1:23:04 PM Pacific Standard Time, steven.wall...@gmail.com writes: Also, point of quibbling as an American: not looking to argue about it, but Obama is generally thought of as African American, as it says in the second sentence of his en.wiki article. It might offend people if you try and say our President isn't black. Obama is exactly half-black and half-white. Funny how he is African American but of course he is equally Caucasian American Which shows only hot dangerous political correctness can get. I wonder if in 2050, when the white population will no longer be be in majority, such a person will be called an European-American... I meant to say how dangerous...should have read the email before sending it. :( For those of you who speak other languages than English, I suggest reading the English, French, Spanish, Italian and/or German versions of en:Mulatto. You will get an extraordinary glimpse of what different groups consider relevant about this subject - the French have an especially interesting comparison of the term in several languages. I suppose it's intellectually dishonest to claim that most American blacks are part white, since it's possibly also true that most American whites are part black Citation needed?:P Strainu ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Foundation switching to Google Apps?
2010/10/27 Jon Davis jda...@wikimedia.org: Sorry, not this time. What I've got off hand isn't in a publicly usable format. I didn't think it would be of interest to the public. Now I know and next time I will make sure the info is public friendly, should it be desired. What does that mean exactly? Does it contain sensitive information or what? It could really be of interest to other organizations to see this information, even if it's not really well organised. P.S. I think Orientation 101 at WMF should begin with: anything you'll do will be of interest to lots and lots of curious and potentially tech-savy people, so document it properly :P ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Foundation switching to Google Apps?
2010/10/27 Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org: 2010/10/27 John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com: On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 7:20 PM, Strainu strain...@gmail.com wrote: .. What does that mean exactly? Does it contain sensitive information or what? It could really be of interest to other organizations to see this information, even if it's not really well organised. P.S. I think Orientation 101 at WMF should begin with: anything you'll do will be of interest to lots and lots of curious and potentially tech-savy people, so document it properly :P ... and their collective mind is probably better than your own, so invite comments before you make decisions. ... and their willingness to second-guess everything you do has no boundaries, so exercise discretion and good judgment about the extent of your overall engagement, lest you find yourself absorbed into a collaborative process that more closely resembles an H.R. Giger painting than good faith collaboration. Let's not get carried away here. I am always interested to seeing alternatives to the tools I use myself and I'm willing to dig through some not-so-clear notes or whatever to find information, if that spares me some testing time. That was the sole reason I insisted for the release of the information. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
